United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Nah, what rural American is presumably doing is fortifying itself, allowing the cities to descend into utter chaos and anarchy and then when the dust settles reasserting some modicum of trade with the remnants.
This I can agree with. this is what they will do. Which means the factories will be left to rust. which means there won't be a retooling. which means having to rebuild from practically scratch. which means there will be no "rushing up the tech tree".
 
No, I think he's assuming in a total collapse, party leaders won't matter and that sea of red erects its own walls and from behind them shouts "Sort your own shit out and we'll start doing business with you again, come here and we'll use ya for fertilizer and as scarecrows".
In that case he is simply not responding to what I said and is assuming I am advocating something idiotic like "civil war happens and democrats win".
Which is not what I am saying at all.

I expect a fuckton of dead people, a bunch of localized fiefs. And a total collapse of industry. Then a very slow and painful process of trying to return to being industrialized
 
This is all such great Biden administration talk. To bring it back around I hope his bunker fails when the people can come for him.
It is funny because it is on topic.

As biden's handlers are the ones leading the charge in fighting with russia.
High chance of biden's handlers starting WW3 nuclear edition.

If that somehow doesn't happen, the dollar is being collapsed via mass printing and stupid sanctions forcing the world to dump dollar for international trade... leading to potentially global economic collapse.

Of course things CAN go differently. But what was once unthinkable is now somehow plausible.
 
So, on to something more positive. Does anyone here know where one can find a prepper community? I only found one and it was for the super rich.

I had this idea of a couple hundred of preppers getting together, buying a large strip of land near each other, and incorporating a town

How come I don't see more people doing that though?
 
1. farms are by necessity spread out. not very defensible
2. you completely ignored a key part of what I said. the quantity difference. I fully expect the farmers to win most fights. but it only takes one bullet to kill you and being vastly outnumbered makes a hell of a difference.

it takes more than a person who is familiar with a machine shop to retool a factory into being less reliant on imports. you need to build entire supply chains from mine to smelting to components, to bigger components, to final product.

You are assuming a nice clean "republican vs democrat" scenario rather than a "oh shit there is no food, no electricity, and everything is on fire". (and speaking of, expect a lot of fires to be started on purpose)

There are so many problems with your ideal scenario.
1. 95+% of republican leadership are the swamp. whether they will try to carve out their own private fiefs or collude with the enemy the results would be disasterous either way

2. vehicles require gasoline and the USA ability to satisfy its own requirements has been completely annihilated. Those red militias are going to be hurting for fuel

3. conservatives are themselves very disunited. as they are basically just a Hodge podge of "anti woke" people nowadays that can barely agree on anything. Remember elon musks meme? lots of leftists are part of the "conservative" faction.

4. even if your scenario plays out perfectly and a new united fundamentalist christian america arises... one that is heavily agrarian and has slaughtered off all its city folk... and managed to do so with absolute bare minimum of losses...

Your new conservative utopia is 100m people whose tech is rapidly breaking down, yes there are "shop guys", but those are individual artisans not an industrialized society. Where are your spare parts coming from? where are you pipes coming from? where are spools of wire coming from? where are new cars coming from? where is oil coming from?

You need to rebuild the entire supply chain practically from scratch. There are barely any factories left in the usa and all of them rely on imports of raw materials and finished goods from abroad.

Eventually reconstruction can happen. But will it happen anytime soon? will the survives "speedrun" the tech tree? unlikely.

Utopia

no a civil war is far from what I consider to be utopic.

What I want fundamentally is autonomy, I want communities to have control over their lives. If the people of a city want to turn their town into a left wing hippy commune thats fine with me. Trying to impose that over the entire nation not so much. I would prefer a balanced system where the urban communities don't opress rural ones and where rural ones don't opress urban centers.

Ideally Id like a live and let live world were people peacefully disagree but go about their lives.

I am not however going to get what I want and accept that.
 
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I am laughing hard at the idea of "culture" making a difference when there is literally no food. when hungry all men act the same.

Yea, I am sure we will all be eating all that delicious and filling "culture" when the supermarkets are empty and the looting begins.

...Are you deliberately being obtuse, or do you really not understand?

Your posts since this one suggest that it's the latter, so I'll try to explain it.

What a culture values, things like work ethic, independence, rule of law, respect for life, these things matter for whether or not an economy and rule of law collapse. How these things are valued, what they are rooted in, these are vastly different between Sri Lanka and the US.

On top of that, they're very different between liberal cultural centers, and pretty much the entire rest of the US, especially conservative cultural centers and rural areas and general.


As an example, you talk about hordes of city dwellers swarming out of the cities into the country to loot and pillage farms? Alright, let's talk about what that would probably look like, culturally.

First off, leftist city culture promotes 'the government should solve my problems for me' as an attitude. This means that, in the first place, most people aren't going to want to actually do the work. It also encourages virtue signalling and not actually putting your own ass on the line, which further reinforces this. There are some who are more interested in the opportunity to hurt others than in not risking themselves, as we've seen with Antifa et al, but this is percentage wise a tiny portion of the population, and they also are literally a mob that is used to only operating in places where the local government supports them, rather than opposes them, generally with little to no experience in using firearms.

Conversely, both rural and conservative culture independently lean towards getting shit done yourself, and being experienced with firearms. Rural/small town dwellers also have a higher tendency towards basic physical fitness, and much, much more experience as outdoorsmen, on top of being familiar with the specific terrain that any engagement would take place in. These cultures are also more familiar with the importance of facing hardship, and with the idea that when things get tough, that means it's time to work harder, not quit.


Neither of these cultural descriptors are universal. You have exceptions in both cultural camps, as well as conservatives in cities and leftists in rural areas. The propensity one way or the other is very strong however, and generally speaking those who have values that go against their overall cultural alignment are less willing to engage in extremist action, IE those leftists who are experienced with guns or value independence or hard work, are less likely to run with Antifa and the like. Similarly conservatives who hold a few leftist values are unlikely to join up with a conservative militia and go attack a city or something like that.

But this moves us on to another very important factor: Newtons laws of motion also apply to culture and lifestyle.

A group of armed farmers living out in small town and rural areas are likely to continue doing so if society starts collapsing. They're already there, they're already living the life they've chosen, and most of them will continue to do so. The same is true of city dwellers. Some from either group will probably move to the other lifestyle, but it's not going to be a huge number.

Rural communities are also less atomized, and as we've seen, Antifa and their ilk really don't give a shit who you are, if they decide you're a nazi, they'll try to mess you up regardless if you 'support BLM,' or are even one of the minorities they claim to be acting on behalf of. On the other hand, Joe the rural leftist is actually somewhat likely to take up arms in defense of his small town or his neighbors if an armed mob comes out to attack. If he isn't willing the first time, he (or others like him) probably will the second, because as the USSR and every other leftist hell-nation proved, they'll kill you just for living next to 'undesirables,' or perhaps in America the term will be 'deplorables.'


So, what is going to end up happening, because culture matters, if a mob from a city of a few million goes out into the countryside to plunder?

The first time or two it happens, they might not meet serious opposition, because the people in the country don't want to have open violence break out. They want lawful society, and at least some will try to talk rather than try to fight as a first resort. These people will almost certainly be killed and/or raped for their trouble, but if the plunder mob is actually led by one of the few hardline leftists who actually have moral principles, they might just lose almost everything instead.

After the first couple times though, the folk of the countryside will be watching and ready to fight.

What will that look like?

It'll look like experienced gunmen camouflaged, behind cover, shooting at a mob of disorganized and mostly inexperienced thugs. Do you know how many losses it takes for a trained military unit to be rendered combat ineffective?

Ten percent.

When you're getting shot at by someone you can't see, people are dropping left and right, and you're out there on the offensive, rather than defending your family, home, and livelihood, how easy do you think it would be to get you to turn around and run like hell?

For most people, the answer is going to be pretty damned easy.


This isn't a universal scenario. This isn't an automatic scenario. Even if something like this happens, you might have the mob figure out where they're being shot at from sometimes and run down their targets successfully. My point isn't who wins and who loses.

My point is that the entire thing is shaped by culture. Who is doing what, how competent they are at it, how willing they are to persevere, all of these things are shaped by cultural values.

People don't 'eat' culture, but culture sure as hell can determine whether or not they'll be able to eat, as well as what.
 
...Are you deliberately being obtuse, or do you really not understand?

Your posts since this one suggest that it's the latter, so I'll try to explain it.

What a culture values, things like work ethic, independence, rule of law, respect for life, these things matter for whether or not an economy and rule of law collapse. How these things are valued, what they are rooted in, these are vastly different between Sri Lanka and the US.

On top of that, they're very different between liberal cultural centers, and pretty much the entire rest of the US, especially conservative cultural centers and rural areas and general.


As an example, you talk about hordes of city dwellers swarming out of the cities into the country to loot and pillage farms? Alright, let's talk about what that would probably look like, culturally.

First off, leftist city culture promotes 'the government should solve my problems for me' as an attitude. This means that, in the first place, most people aren't going to want to actually do the work. It also encourages virtue signalling and not actually putting your own ass on the line, which further reinforces this. There are some who are more interested in the opportunity to hurt others than in not risking themselves, as we've seen with Antifa et al, but this is percentage wise a tiny portion of the population, and they also are literally a mob that is used to only operating in places where the local government supports them, rather than opposes them, generally with little to no experience in using firearms.

Conversely, both rural and conservative culture independently lean towards getting shit done yourself, and being experienced with firearms. Rural/small town dwellers also have a higher tendency towards basic physical fitness, and much, much more experience as outdoorsmen, on top of being familiar with the specific terrain that any engagement would take place in. These cultures are also more familiar with the importance of facing hardship, and with the idea that when things get tough, that means it's time to work harder, not quit.


Neither of these cultural descriptors are universal. You have exceptions in both cultural camps, as well as conservatives in cities and leftists in rural areas. The propensity one way or the other is very strong however, and generally speaking those who have values that go against their overall cultural alignment are less willing to engage in extremist action, IE those leftists who are experienced with guns or value independence or hard work, are less likely to run with Antifa and the like. Similarly conservatives who hold a few leftist values are unlikely to join up with a conservative militia and go attack a city or something like that.

But this moves us on to another very important factor: Newtons laws of motion also apply to culture and lifestyle.

A group of armed farmers living out in small town and rural areas are likely to continue doing so if society starts collapsing. They're already there, they're already living the life they've chosen, and most of them will continue to do so. The same is true of city dwellers. Some from either group will probably move to the other lifestyle, but it's not going to be a huge number.

Rural communities are also less atomized, and as we've seen, Antifa and their ilk really don't give a shit who you are, if they decide you're a nazi, they'll try to mess you up regardless if you 'support BLM,' or are even one of the minorities they claim to be acting on behalf of. On the other hand, Joe the rural leftist is actually somewhat likely to take up arms in defense of his small town or his neighbors if an armed mob comes out to attack. If he isn't willing the first time, he (or others like him) probably will the second, because as the USSR and every other leftist hell-nation proved, they'll kill you just for living next to 'undesirables,' or perhaps in America the term will be 'deplorables.'


So, what is going to end up happening, because culture matters, if a mob from a city of a few million goes out into the countryside to plunder?

The first time or two it happens, they might not meet serious opposition, because the people in the country don't want to have open violence break out. They want lawful society, and at least some will try to talk rather than try to fight as a first resort. These people will almost certainly be killed and/or raped for their trouble, but if the plunder mob is actually led by one of the few hardline leftists who actually have moral principles, they might just lose almost everything instead.

After the first couple times though, the folk of the countryside will be watching and ready to fight.

What will that look like?

It'll look like experienced gunmen camouflaged, behind cover, shooting at a mob of disorganized and mostly inexperienced thugs. Do you know how many losses it takes for a trained military unit to be rendered combat ineffective?

Ten percent.

When you're getting shot at by someone you can't see, people are dropping left and right, and you're out there on the offensive, rather than defending your family, home, and livelihood, how easy do you think it would be to get you to turn around and run like hell?

For most people, the answer is going to be pretty damned easy.


This isn't a universal scenario. This isn't an automatic scenario. Even if something like this happens, you might have the mob figure out where they're being shot at from sometimes and run down their targets successfully. My point isn't who wins and who loses.

My point is that the entire thing is shaped by culture. Who is doing what, how competent they are at it, how willing they are to persevere, all of these things are shaped by cultural values.

People don't 'eat' culture, but culture sure as hell can determine whether or not they'll be able to eat, as well as what.
And all this ignores nukes and aircraft are a thing.

Doesn't matter if you can resist a bunch of starving city dwellers, because when the Nat Guard units and nuke personnel start getting hungry, they absolutely will raid your farmstead with more firepower than you can withstand.

Society doesn't collapse in a vacuum, and when the people who handle nukes and combat aircraft start getting hungry, the chain of command and Constitution will go out the window, regardless of the culture of the area.
 
Not on topic at all. Future war-gaming the 'wars of America's fall' is not current admin policy or action.
Yes it, it is literally this administration policy and action.

We are literally discussing the results of this administration policies and actions of:
1. eliminating domestic oil production.
2. mass printing of dollars. contributing to global economic collapse
3. starting a sanction war with russia.

WW3 and global economic collapse are both highly plausible scenarios that occur as a direct result of the biden's handers administration.
 
First off, leftist city culture promotes 'the government should solve my problems for me' as an attitude. This means that, in the first place, most people aren't going to want to actually do the work. It also encourages virtue signalling and not actually putting your own ass on the line, which further reinforces this. There are some who are more interested in the opportunity to hurt others than in not risking themselves, as we've seen with Antifa et al, but this is percentage wise a tiny portion of the population, and they also are literally a mob that is used to only operating in places where the local government supports them, rather than opposes them, generally with little to no experience in using firearms.
I don't think you quite understand how "hunger" works.
yea sure. on day 1 they will all be "why isn't the government doing something"
but it will very quickly be replaced with action.

You are also vastly under estimating the city folk. They are degenerates, and many are incompetent. But to underestimate your enemy to such an extent will prove fatal.

Cities are already rife with criminal gangs. Who are all armed and very ready to go out there and commit wanton violence to get their's.
But this moves us on to another very important factor: Newtons laws of motion also apply to culture and lifestyle.
facepalm. this is why it is so important to study history. the most docile humans become bloodthirsty animals after enough skipped meals.
 
No, what you were doing was arguing how to fight during the 'fall of all industry'. I'm not a mod, I can't and won't tell you to stop, but I will say that's it's not directly related to current admin actions. It's at least several 'what ifs' removed.
Gee, I wonder how nuclear WW3 caused by this administration will affect global industry. I am sure it will be just perfectly fine and dandy. /sarcasm
 
There already are threads for precisely this topic, please move discussions of such 'fallout' to said threads and leave this one to the administration itself.
 
Because the US controls SWIFT, and as long as that is the case and the Russian's are cut out of it, there is a lot more for the countries to lose in the long run if they decide they do not need SWIFT or the West to survive.
The point is that the modern United States is a "service economy". The only thing we domestically produce is a constantly hyperinflating fiat currency. Meanwhile, Russia produces oil and is gaining control of Ukrainian wheat production, two commodities which are actually essential to multiple nations.
Night Watch by Terry Pratchett said:
“The night wore on. News came through, from barricades at bridges and gates. There were forays, more to test the defenders’ strength of will than make a serious dent in the defenses. And there were even more deserters.

One reason for the desertion rate was that those people of a practical turn of mind were working out the subtle economics. The People’s Republic of Treacle Mine Road lacked all the big, important buildings in the city, the ones that traditional rebels were supposed to take. It had no government offices, no banks, and very few temples. It was almost completely bereft of important civic architecture.

All it had was the unimportant stuff. It had the entire slaughterhouse district, and the butter market, and the cheese market. It had the tobacco factors, and the candlemakers, and most of the fruit and vegetable warehouses, and the grain and flour stores. This meant that while the Republicans were being starved of important things like government, banking services, and salvation, they were self-sufficient in terms of humdrum, everyday things like food and drink.

People are content to wait a long time for salvation, but prefer dinner to turn up inside an hour.”
Therefore, if nations are given a choice between trading with Russia and getting cut off from our economy, or trading with us and getting cut off from the Russian economy, the choice won't be in our favor and our economy will completely collapse.

Then, on top of that, we have the conspiracy among our oligarchy to seize upon economic collapse to bankrupt everyone but themselves, buy up all actual assets and reinstitute feudalism via company towns and subscription services, acquiring total control of society and completely annihilating the possibility of upward social mobility as everyone spends their entire paycheck of company scrip just to break even on rent.
 
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