United States Biden administration policies and actions - megathread

Sergeant Foley

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Breaking News Alerts: Doctors concerned about the health of Queen Elizabeth II as the family's heading over to Balmoral Castle.

Sounds like the inevitable is near and we'll be saying King Charles soon.
 

Blasterbot

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Yeah, I think we've gone from a 'massive money laundering scheme' to the ransacking of our nation.

Treason isn't a word strong enough for this vile, criminal activity.



Wonder if this is them just getting what they can while they can before the Red Wave hits or them getting ready to run to the hills?

generally the military aid is us giving our old shit to them regardless of how useful it is for them. gives the military industrial complex a reason to make new things on our dime.
 

DarthOne

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generally the military aid is us giving our old shit to them regardless of how useful it is for them. gives the military industrial complex a reason to make new things on our dime.
You say that like it's that much better. In either case, the American taxpayer and the currency still suffer because the money just keeps getting printed.
 

ShadowsOfParadox

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You say that like it's that much better. In either case, the American taxpayer and the currency still suffer because the money just keeps getting printed.
A lot of the Military Aid the US has sent to Ukraine has literally been Cold War stockpiles that were sitting around draining money for upkeep and were probably going to be useless within five years anyway. In other words, much of the military aid sent has been a straight win/win from the perspective of the USA as we got to get rid of outdated stuff sitting around draining our budget AND get it used actually doing the job it was designed for.

Some of it has been reasonably new, but it's worth noting that the US spends a LOT of money on maintaining production lines so it's likely anything getting replaced because some of it got sent to Ukraine was likely going to be spent on anyway because they needed to keep the lines running to decrease ramp up time in an emergency. Also, it's worth remembering that everything the US spends on the "Military Industrial Complex" is paying American citizens directly. The Military Industrial Complex is the ONE PLACE where companies are NOT allowed to outsource, to internationalize, to move manufacturing out of the US. Spending money on the military is ALSO a direct aid package for people working in those fields, on top of which, it's worth also noting that any price the US says it's spending on the Military Industrial Complex, BECAUSE it's pretty much entirely domestic, and therefore pretty much entirely TAXED domestically, isn't actually spending what they say they are because taxes come into effect at every level.
 

Tyzuris

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A lot of the Military Aid the US has sent to Ukraine has literally been Cold War stockpiles that were sitting around draining money for upkeep and were probably going to be useless within five years anyway. In other words, much of the military aid sent has been a straight win/win from the perspective of the USA as we got to get rid of outdated stuff sitting around draining our budget AND get it used actually doing the job it was designed for.

Some of it has been reasonably new, but it's worth noting that the US spends a LOT of money on maintaining production lines so it's likely anything getting replaced because some of it got sent to Ukraine was likely going to be spent on anyway because they needed to keep the lines running to decrease ramp up time in an emergency. Also, it's worth remembering that everything the US spends on the "Military Industrial Complex" is paying American citizens directly. The Military Industrial Complex is the ONE PLACE where companies are NOT allowed to outsource, to internationalize, to move manufacturing out of the US. Spending money on the military is ALSO a direct aid package for people working in those fields, on top of which, it's worth also noting that any price the US says it's spending on the Military Industrial Complex, BECAUSE it's pretty much entirely domestic, and therefore pretty much entirely TAXED domestically, isn't actually spending what they say they are because taxes come into effect at every level.
Plus sending aid to Ukraine allows USA to indirectly degrade Russia's military capabilities when Ukraine uses donated weaponry to destroy Russian armaments and manpower. Which means that the end result is a castrated Eunuch-Russia in terms of military capabilities without a single American life lost. Quite advantageous to US. And when at the end of this war Russia has gotten maybe hundreds of thousands of their own troops killed, their tank and artillery forces destroyed, a good chunk of their military aircraft and air defence systems destroyed, performed special conversion operation of some heavy capital ships to submarines, it means Russia's threat level to US' NATO allies will be significantly lower than before, it gives Europe a much more better and autonomous footing to stand against Russia while US can afford more attention towards China.

I mean this war is far from over, and without a single American life lost, simply by supporting Ukraine with armament, the Ukrainians with western backing have managed to make Russia suffer the losses US suffered in a decade long Vietnam War in about only half a year. And this is only worsened by the fact that with sanctions hitting Russia's ability to acquire modern electronics like microchips, etc... their production of modern weapons like tanks, missiles, aircraft, etc... has grinded to a halt. So every Russian modern weapon Ukraine takes out, is one less Russia will eventually have.
 

LordsFire

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Yeah, I think we've gone from a 'massive money laundering scheme' to the ransacking of our nation.

Treason isn't a word strong enough for this vile, criminal activity.



Wonder if this is them just getting what they can while they can before the Red Wave hits or them getting ready to run to the hills?


Federal Revenue for Fiscal Year 2022 is expected to be about 4.2 Trillion dollars.

2 Billion is 00.05% of that income.

Given Russia is explicitly a power hostile to US interests, we are getting a bargain here for not just smashing up the Russian military, but their reputation getting damaged, and the loss of business to their military industry?

This is a bloody bargain. If you want to bitch about the Fed wasting money, there are much, much worthier targets.
 

Zachowon

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And one needs to realize that the US is making profit off of the selling if F35s, so many that SAAB is not getting anyone to buy thier planes.

The US MIC has basically set itself up for a massive increase in revenue for the US government.
 

Rocinante

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And one needs to realize that the US is making profit off of the selling if F35s, so many that SAAB is not getting anyone to buy thier planes.

The US MIC has basically set itself up for a massive increase in revenue for the US government.
If we are giving them money to buy the planes with, that doesn't really count as turning a profit though lol. Not sure if you're talking about Ukraine or not though.
 

Zachowon

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If we are giving them money to buy the planes with, that doesn't really count as turning a profit though lol. Not sure if you're talking about Ukraine or not though.
I am not, just the MIC in general.
What Ukraine is doing is showing how well our shit works and wants people to buy them
 

Zachowon

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I'd be much happier with it if we were selling material on debt to the Ukraine instead of giving it away. Debt repayments on the never-never like we did for the UK gives future leverage and income.
We arnt giving it away.
They are buying it from us technically
 

LordsFire

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I am not, just the MIC in general.
What Ukraine is doing is showing how well our shit works and wants people to buy them

This is a really, really big point.

The Russians opened their invasion by launching hundreds of missiles into Ukrainian territory, and have been conducting follow up missile, artillery, and air strikes ever since. They haven't hit nothing, but we've been seeing fairly frequent reports of all the shit they hit instead of military targets, and the Ukrainian military is still very clearly fighting effectively in the field.

Russian military hardware, whether through designed capabilities, shitty maitenance, or shitty training, really has not performed well.

American military hardware on the other hand...

Russian Tanks and APCs were getting smoked and turret-tossing left and right. This wasn't exclusively American hardware being used, or necessarily even primarily such, but enough was that it's shaped public perception.

And then we sent the Ukies some HIMARS, and ever since Russian ammo depots have been going up left and right.

It's hard to overstate the sheer capability gap demonstrated here. The first batch sent over was something like 4 launchers and 50 missiles, and the instant that the Ukrainians finished training up on them, they started hitting strategic targets, and just haven't stopped. There isn't a week that goes by where you don't hear about two or more ammo dumps, bridges, or HQs getting hit.

This is compared to the hundreds of missiles and launch systems that the Russians have been using, and while they've hit tanks, runways, civilian structures, etc, they haven't been half as effective, or a tenth as visibly effective.

The War in Ukraine has been the biggest advertising campaign for competing defense industries since the Cold War ended. Iraq 1 & 2, as well as Afghanistan, demonstrated amply to the world that the US military was going to utterly wreck your ass in anything resembling open field warfare. It also revealed that the US is weak to long endurance low-intensity insurgency warfare, but even in those circumstances it would inflict hilariously disproportionate losses.

The thing that the war in Ukraine is proving, is that it's not just that the US was fighting third-world muslim forces, it's not just that it has good training and the enemy had bad training, it's that American military hardware is actually that much better.

You want the ability to strike fear into the heart of your enemies, and especially kick them in the wallet with precision weapons from eighty kilometers away? If you buy American, and take the add-on of training from American advisors, then yes, you can in fact do that, and it's not just better than old Soviet stuff from 40 years ago, it's better than the best that Russia can field right now.


This isn't just good for American defense industry. This isn't just bad for Russian defense industry. This has massive implications for the geopolitical balance of power, because if Russia doesn't get outside contracts to buy their latest generation of tanks, jets, SAM systems and PGM? They aren't just going to be out 'some' money, they aren't going to be able to maintain/put them into mass production at all.

This means the death of the last pseudo-peer military industrial complex the US has had since World War II ended. It's particularly significant, because while up through to Generation 4 aircraft various European nations managed to keep producing their own models, but the only other Generation 5 aircraft out there is the Chinese J-20, which they aren't selling to anyone else.

Currently, the world 'sort of' has 1+0.5+0.5 military poles. Neither Russia nor China have enough military strength to defeat the US/NATO, but Russia has generally been perceived as strong enough to give a hell of a fight, as well as export its stuff throughout the rest of the world, and China's massive build-up over the last 15 years has put them in a similar perceived range.

But with the military capacity of Russia being proven insufficient to defeat just Ukraine, and basically every single bit of their hardware underperforming?

It's looking like we're going to be in a 1+0.5 military poles world soon, and if the steadily-widening cracks of the Chinese economy do finally lead to an implosion, we'll very quickly been in the same monopolar world we were for much of the 90's, where US military power was absolutely uncontested, and everybody knew it.

Of course, that's assuming ole Brandon doesn't 'lead' us into a civil war... A world with no hegemon would be a hell of a shake-up to world politics...
 

Bacle

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This is a really, really big point.

The Russians opened their invasion by launching hundreds of missiles into Ukrainian territory, and have been conducting follow up missile, artillery, and air strikes ever since. They haven't hit nothing, but we've been seeing fairly frequent reports of all the shit they hit instead of military targets, and the Ukrainian military is still very clearly fighting effectively in the field.

Russian military hardware, whether through designed capabilities, shitty maitenance, or shitty training, really has not performed well.

American military hardware on the other hand...

Russian Tanks and APCs were getting smoked and turret-tossing left and right. This wasn't exclusively American hardware being used, or necessarily even primarily such, but enough was that it's shaped public perception.

And then we sent the Ukies some HIMARS, and ever since Russian ammo depots have been going up left and right.

It's hard to overstate the sheer capability gap demonstrated here. The first batch sent over was something like 4 launchers and 50 missiles, and the instant that the Ukrainians finished training up on them, they started hitting strategic targets, and just haven't stopped. There isn't a week that goes by where you don't hear about two or more ammo dumps, bridges, or HQs getting hit.

This is compared to the hundreds of missiles and launch systems that the Russians have been using, and while they've hit tanks, runways, civilian structures, etc, they haven't been half as effective, or a tenth as visibly effective.

The War in Ukraine has been the biggest advertising campaign for competing defense industries since the Cold War ended. Iraq 1 & 2, as well as Afghanistan, demonstrated amply to the world that the US military was going to utterly wreck your ass in anything resembling open field warfare. It also revealed that the US is weak to long endurance low-intensity insurgency warfare, but even in those circumstances it would inflict hilariously disproportionate losses.

The thing that the war in Ukraine is proving, is that it's not just that the US was fighting third-world muslim forces, it's not just that it has good training and the enemy had bad training, it's that American military hardware is actually that much better.

You want the ability to strike fear into the heart of your enemies, and especially kick them in the wallet with precision weapons from eighty kilometers away? If you buy American, and take the add-on of training from American advisors, then yes, you can in fact do that, and it's not just better than old Soviet stuff from 40 years ago, it's better than the best that Russia can field right now.


This isn't just good for American defense industry. This isn't just bad for Russian defense industry. This has massive implications for the geopolitical balance of power, because if Russia doesn't get outside contracts to buy their latest generation of tanks, jets, SAM systems and PGM? They aren't just going to be out 'some' money, they aren't going to be able to maintain/put them into mass production at all.

This means the death of the last pseudo-peer military industrial complex the US has had since World War II ended. It's particularly significant, because while up through to Generation 4 aircraft various European nations managed to keep producing their own models, but the only other Generation 5 aircraft out there is the Chinese J-20, which they aren't selling to anyone else.

Currently, the world 'sort of' has 1+0.5+0.5 military poles. Neither Russia nor China have enough military strength to defeat the US/NATO, but Russia has generally been perceived as strong enough to give a hell of a fight, as well as export its stuff throughout the rest of the world, and China's massive build-up over the last 15 years has put them in a similar perceived range.

But with the military capacity of Russia being proven insufficient to defeat just Ukraine, and basically every single bit of their hardware underperforming?

It's looking like we're going to be in a 1+0.5 military poles world soon, and if the steadily-widening cracks of the Chinese economy do finally lead to an implosion, we'll very quickly been in the same monopolar world we were for much of the 90's, where US military power was absolutely uncontested, and everybody knew it.

Of course, that's assuming ole Brandon doesn't 'lead' us into a civil war... A world with no hegemon would be a hell of a shake-up to world politics...
This also doesn't account for suicidal bravado or spite on the part of Russia, if the leadership decides they have to roll the dice on further escalation to ensure their own domestic political survival.

Desperate people do stupid things, and having it's defense industry rendered...far less exportable than before, coupled with sanction that will probably stick on for a generation or two even after this conflict ends soon peacefully, and seeing themselves being forced to go to Iran and the Norks for weapons/munitions production...it is far too easy for the world to go even more destructively stupid these days.

We cannot count of the Kremlin being a 'rational actor' or count on cooler heads in the Russian military to prevail if Putin decides to escalate.
 

Tyzuris

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This also doesn't account for suicidal bravado or spite on the part of Russia, if the leadership decides they have to roll the dice on further escalation to ensure their own domestic political survival.

Desperate people do stupid things, and having it's defense industry rendered...far less exportable than before, coupled with sanction that will probably stick on for a generation or two even after this conflict ends soon peacefully, and seeing themselves being forced to go to Iran and the Norks for weapons/munitions production...it is far too easy for the world to go even more destructively stupid these days.

We cannot count of the Kremlin being a 'rational actor' or count on cooler heads in the Russian military to prevail if Putin decides to escalate.
And it doesn't help ending the war that Russian leadership gives no crap about how many men they send to their deaths. I mean it's so morbid that they make domestic propaganda videos about unexpected benefits of getting a son killed in war *coughs* special military operation like parents using the compensation of losing their son to get a new car. I mean a year ago I wouldn't have believed that even Russians could have managed to come up with such insane tripe for propaganda. A year ago I would have thought that would have been an Onion parody news. But it appears reality has outpaced Onion a long time ago.
 

Cherico

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And it doesn't help ending the war that Russian leadership gives no crap about how many men they send to their deaths. I mean it's so morbid that they make domestic propaganda videos about unexpected benefits of getting a son killed in war *coughs* special military operation like parents using the compensation of losing their son to get a new car. I mean a year ago I wouldn't have believed that even Russians could have managed to come up with such insane tripe for propaganda. A year ago I would have thought that would have been an Onion parody news. But it appears reality has outpaced Onion a long time ago.
Why are you surprised that's how Russia traditionally fight wars they fight until they can't fight any more.
 

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