It doesn't matter what the perception of the US is.
She was woth the enemy.
She is a traitor
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She was woth the enemy.
She is a traitor
King Arts
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Actually it's legally not, because the U.S. has not declared war on another nation since world war 2.
Umm you did not really answer my questions. Also what does "It doesen't matter what the perception of the US is" mean?
It is still treason.
Time of conflict is a valid phrase as well
King Arts
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I mean legally it's not because you can argue about what comfort or aid she gave.
Also my question about a modern Russian opposing the Ukraine war. Would they be a traitor to Russia?
There is a fundamental difference between not supporting own side in a war and supporting the other side in a war.
There are also nuances regarding on what exactly which country stands for, especially authoritarian vs representative governments.
For example there are whole units of Russian and Belorussian volunteers fighting on Ukrainian side. Not because they hate their countries or want to be Ukrainians, but because they think their respective countries are not led by fair representative governments but banana republic el presidentes with a clique of thugs and thieves, defeating which on the battlefield will create a chance of a more free and representative government taking their place.
In case of western commie simps, it is definitely treason, because if they support international socialism they clearly don't give a damn about their country above any other, especially when their country is already a free one.
King Arts
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I’m sorry but this sounds like trying to eat your cake and have it too where it’s bad when someone goes against western democratic capitalism but good when they go against autocratic regimes.
As for the Fonda example was she doing it from a place of supporting communism or was she doing it because she is anti colonialism and does not want her nation to be an imperialist power and is like those Russians you are talking about who think it will cause domestic change in the nation?
So? I do not believe in geopolitical equality of free countries and commies or various other scum.
Did she ever oppose non-western, non capitalist colonialism? Like Soviet or Chinese one?
We all know the ideological connections "anti colonialism" had at that time and to a large degree still does. Just check out what these "anti colonialism" usually want to replace the real or imagined colonialism with.
Didn't see them care particularly about that... Except Chechens, in which case they have beef with a very specific place being a Russian colony. For the rest, it's that being an authoritarian corruptocracy makes their country suck in general.
Silverfish2910
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Biden (US) and Marcos (Philippines) are both paid Red Chinese collaborators. Both have been heavily courted by Red China for decades. Both their elections have them "winning" in similar questionable (and mathematically improbable) circumstances.
Just saying.
Just saying.
Terthna
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Also, most of their money ends up wasted anyways. China, for example, spends far more on indoctrinating their troops to be loyal to the CCP over anything else, then they do on training them on how to fight, and nearly all of their equipment is bootleg garbage that doesn't work properly.
Our political and military leaders behind the scenes never believed the Cold War was over for even a second; else, why continue to expand NATO all the way to Russia's borders?
Well that is less our leaders feeling it was still ongoing, and more the Eastern Euro's really not wanting to ever be under the Russian's boot ever again.
NATO expanded because the victims of Soviet oppression decided 'NEVER AGAIN.' and knew that if they weren't in NATO, Russia would try to pick them off.
The US public at large however certain was told it had ended and operated as such for a long time, really up till around 2014, when Russia showed the invasion of Georgia for trying to get into NATO wasn't a one-off event.
Russia is not the victim of western 'expansion', Russian brutality and oppression under the Soviets is the reason NATO expanded.
You think the USA’s military doesn’t do this with the political establishment? Or if it wasn’t that it’s not doing so now?
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Chicken or the egg situation really IMO. And that’s not getting into all sorts of shady stuff that went on. Both stuff we know about (Euromaiden) and stuff we don’t know about.
Either way, so far as I’m concerned the USA’s involvement in Europe should have ended after the Berlin Wall fell or thereabouts. If the Europeans want to keep their part of NATO going fine. But they can do it on their one dime.
At the very least the welfare state in Europe wouldn’t be as powerful as it is in our version of history, which probably means more kids and less economic migrants and other globalist bullshit.
Pull you know, more American tax dollars would be being spent on, you know, us Americans.
This was never realistic, and frankly is just stupid; the US cannot pretend the rest of the world doesn't exist and have the ability to affect our lives.
NATO exists and we are part of it because we have the industrial base Europe does not have (or did at the time, thanks off-shoring), and because neither France or Britain have enough nukes on their own to deter Russia.
And don't forget, the US does share a maritime border with Russia up in Alaska, so leaving Europe wouldn't mean we could just ignore the Russians.
The Euro 'welfare' state is a better option than letting Moscow do what it desires to Europe, and frankly the tax dollars spent on NATO are drop in the fucking bucket.
The idea the US can close ourselves off and just ignore the rest of the world is folly, and that should be evident by now.
Yinko
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In the case of China, getting into the military is like getting a civil service job. You're basically set for life and have very low expectations. They never fight, so there's no actual expectation to be good, just to look good from a distance. There was a picture I saw a while ago, I think it was on ADV China, where a Chinese soldier had a bayonet on his AK, but it was made of plastic. One of their propaganda articles here was saying how new weapons, like a knife that shoots bullets without a barrel, will allow their special forces to fight 1-v-10.
I’m not suggesting the USA ‘pretend the rest of the world doesn’t exist’. I’m saying we need to get our priorities straight and keep our noses out of other people’s business unless needed.
Then the Europeans should have taken the time we gave them during the Cold War to fix those problems by building up their industry and armaments more, rather then using the USA as a piggy bank and factory to get equipment for war for free or the next thing to it. Especially after the Soviet Union fell.
Never mind that modern Russia is not the juggernaut the USSR was- and to be frank the USSR wasn’t quite the monster military analysts made it out to be.
Again, there’s a difference between ‘not fortifying or protecting the USA’ and ‘playing world police/ piggy bank on a different continent in conflicts that we have no business in’. I’d have no issue keeping an eye on the Russians when it comes to actual threats on the US homeland.
This would be the same Moscow that was having issues subduing a nation like Ukraine even before the West started arming them, right? The same Russia that’s not doesn’t have a faction of the power or influence it had during the Cold War? Whose military literally had/has nuclear subs rusting in its harbor not too long ago?
And pray tell, what would you cut funding from (instead)? Because I’ve got quite a list of ideas myself.
Again, see elsewhere in this post.
Eh, the 'need' for having outward facing endevours into the international community has never gone away, and won't go away.
International diplomacy just doesn't work like that, nor do supply chains.
You do realize that 'rebuilding' Europe was a multi-decade endevour, and their enough UXO left over for bomb squads to do regular work of evac'ing thousands of people on relatively short notice to handle them.
I mean, Britain didn't even end rationing till the 70's, and there are chunks of France that WW1, never mind WW2, have left virtually unusable.
This isn't a Civ game where it only takes X turns to rebuild a structure or city after years of warfare.
That was before they got Iranian help; Iran is not incompetent with engineering and has the skills Russia lacks/lacked, and they are leaning on North Korea for artillery munitions and basic kit.
Russia is limping on with the help of it's former clients, and a lot of CCP help, because the want Russia as a resource colony.
You need to get ready for the post-Russian Federation world, once the defeat in Ukraine sparks off the next Russian civil war. A rump Russia will remain, but it will not be controlling places like Chechnya, South Ossetia, the Kuriles, or Konigsberg. In the long run, taking Siberia from a collapsing Russia, or creating a new 'Yakutian Republic' as a client state and buffer with US territory via Alaska, is likely less costly than hitting Taiwan, and the CCP know it, and so does the Kremlin.
See, I would cut funding from the Dept of Education, followed by turning the ATF into literally Federal dog-walkers for busy people and selling off their kit or shifting it to the DoD.
Would also just end subsidies for the petroleum industry, the soy industry, Hollywood, and tax private foreign individuals who own property in the US at a 300% mark-up, to discourage rich foreigners from dominating US private land sales, and put a 200% tax on H1B holders to reimburse the US populace for the jobs they take from people who originate in the US.
No need to touch DoD funding or the rest of our internaitonal forces/options, if we just stop letting rich foreigners take advantage of us and try to fuck us over in our own house.
TheRejectionist
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So… somewhat abrupt, but in case there’s another pandemic, who wants to bet it’ll come from China again?
It has, after all, been the origin point of history’s most infamous plagues, ranging from the Black Death then to Covid now (relative non-deadliness notwithstanding). Apart from anything else, we’re probably overdue for a far more “serious” plague outbreak than Covid, so as far as possible candidates go, odds are it’ll probably come from China again.
It has, after all, been the origin point of history’s most infamous plagues, ranging from the Black Death then to Covid now (relative non-deadliness notwithstanding). Apart from anything else, we’re probably overdue for a far more “serious” plague outbreak than Covid, so as far as possible candidates go, odds are it’ll probably come from China again.
If it is, it’ll probably be created like Covid. Then again, given America’s insecure southern border, I give equal bets to something coming up from central or South America.So… somewhat abrupt, but in case there’s another pandemic, who wants to bet it’ll come from China again?
It has, after all, been the origin point of history’s most infamous plagues, ranging from the Black Death then to Covid now (relative non-deadliness notwithstanding). Apart from anything else, we’re probably overdue for a far more “serious” plague outbreak than Covid, so as far as possible candidates go, odds are it’ll probably come from China again.
Or from one of Gates or Rockefeller labs in USA.They want help Gaia so much against those pesky humans....So… somewhat abrupt, but in case there’s another pandemic, who wants to bet it’ll come from China again?
It has, after all, been the origin point of history’s most infamous plagues, ranging from the Black Death then to Covid now (relative non-deadliness notwithstanding). Apart from anything else, we’re probably overdue for a far more “serious” plague outbreak than Covid, so as far as possible candidates go, odds are it’ll probably come from China again.