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Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Huh, I could have sworn I've seen images of a Nimitz transiting the canal.

Maybe they were of a old Forrestal class instead.
Probably either a Tarawa or Wasp since they fit even in the old locks. Or a modernized Essex. And no the Forrestals and Kitty Hawks wouldn't fit even in the new locks for the same reason as the CVNs
 

Bacle

When the effort is no longer profitable...
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Probably either a Tarawa or Wasp since they fit even in the old locks. Or a modernized Essex. And no the Forrestals and Kitty Hawks wouldn't fit even in the new locks for the same reason as the CVNs
Probably a modernized Essex then; I know it wasn't a Wasp or Tawara.
 

Knowledgeispower

Ah I love the smell of missile spam in the morning
Probably a modernized Essex then; I know it wasn't a Wasp or Tawara.
It would have to be a Essex since nothing since them has fit in the canal for one reason or the other(albeit FDR and Coral Sea could fit in the new set of locks provided they were still around)
 

Zachowon

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Yes, I am aware of China's short comings; their jet engines are shit, this is known.

There is a reason my doubts center on sea power, not air power.

Also, I'm not sold on our warhead production capabilities after learning about the FOGxLIGHT fuck up and the issues it highlighted. The DoE's internal classification system and issues with personnel familiar with thing retiring or dying without passing on critical knowledge is a real issue forcing us to reverse engineer some of our own shit.

As for tunnels...we have hardened underground bits of major bases (and things like Cheyenne Mountain); China has literally built thousands of miles of interconnected tunnels over massive parts of it's interior that go between bases, silo's, and other bits. The even call it thier new Great Wall.

Now unless one of my vet friends from my legal weed trimming days is actually right about the rumors of massive secret railways and tunnels crisscrossing the US and kept hidden from the public, which I doubt due to how hard it is to hide that shit from seismic sensors and gov funding watchdogs if it really is to that scale, then we don't have anything truly comparable.

However I was not aware of continuing and active large scale protests in China, outside the shit in Hong Kong.

And you are right we aren't in it alone, but neither is China. The already have a defense pact with Iran, effectively own Pakistan and NK, and I would not count out Russia possibly siding with them in a fight (or just making a move on the Baltics to drain US forces via another front).

That's not even counting the CCP agents in our gov and how they are very likely to make sure there is no war with China, or nothing beyond possible SCS/Taiwan Straight skirmishes at most.

The way the variables seemed stacked, based on what's available to the public, and the way things are going politically on the domestic and international scene...not encouraging it the nicest way I can put it.
I will start with this. The CCP will not be able to prevent us from fighting against them in the defense of Taiwan. Stop thinking such an idiotic claim...

Do build modern ships as fast as they do, they have to be cutting corners. Just like with jets and every other damn thing they do.

I feel like you are buying into Chinese propaganda. This is the first time I am hearing fo such tunnels and I doubt they would withstand bombardment from the top because as we know, CCP is horrible at quality control.

We have more then enough place for us to continue to fight.

You not knowing about the protests and the like makes it obvious you buy into CCP propaganda. Heavily buy into it...

If you think Iran, NK or Pakistan will be able to help them take Taiwan I laugh heavily.... all three of these have MULTIPLE countries focused on them. Iran is way to far to help, same with Pakistan. NK would be somewhat, in the regard of an annoyance because of being connected to SK, and close to Japan.

We on the other hand have... Phillipines willing to help us out there, Taiwan, Japan, South Korea, Australia, Vietnam... and Pakistan would have to deal with India. Iran is surrounded well almost by countries they hate. I say almost because of how far Saudi and Isreal are. If Russia gets invovled they still have all of western Europe and Eastern European countries trained and ready to fight them. With or without US Help.

You need to stop and think why should you trust anything you hear from the CCP...
 

gral

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Wait really?

Duterte flip-flops a lot regarding China and the West, depending on whether the West harping on him for human rights abuses or China pouncing on the South China Sea is a stronger factor. I don't know which is stronger right now.
 

BlackDragon98

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I dunno if this is true, but I recall hearing something about the latest Chinese fighter jet using tech and design stuff stolen from the US.

The Chinese are cutting corners yes, but they're simply stealing stuff from the US. And they've been doing it for years.

Chinese are also working on a railgun and given how far they've progressed, I'm wouldn't be surprised if they stole some data and design plans from the US.
 

Zachowon

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I dunno if this is true, but I recall hearing something about the latest Chinese fighter jet using tech and design stuff stolen from the US.

The Chinese are cutting corners yes, but they're simply stealing stuff from the US. And they've been doing it for years.

Chinese are also working on a railgun and given how far they've progressed, I'm wouldn't be surprised if they stole some data and design plans from the US.
They were given iirc very redumentary plans for a US aircraft. Don't remember which, 35 maybe?

That doesn't mean they can produce it on the level we can.

China is probably saying they are working on one and it is far, but they definitely have not gotten further then the US...
 

Bacle

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Ok, for the stuff about the tunnels.


This is about the most 'official' article about the tunnels.

It may behove you to start actually paying attention to shit on Twitter and civie military watching publications, because my reasons for doubt come not from CCP propoganada, but from a lot of articles by US military commentators/tech geeks/vets who have done research and published articles in multiple outlets.

Heck, I first heard about the tunnels via Twitter, and the article is from 2011, so not exactly 'new' news.

Stop assuming I'm just buying CCP propaganda, and maybe start looking at what is getting published in the US by military watcher/commentator sites/journals.
 

Zachowon

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Ok, for the stuff about the tunnels.


This is about the most 'official' article about the tunnels.

It may behove you to start actually paying attention to shit on Twitter and civie military watching publications, because my reasons for doubt come not from CCP propoganada, but from a lot of articles by US military commentators/tech geeks/vets who have done research and published articles in multiple outlets.

Heck, I first heard about the tunnels via Twitter, and the article is from 2011, so not exactly 'new' news.

Stop assuming I'm just buying CCP propaganda, and maybe start looking at what is getting published in the US by military watcher/commentator sites/journals.
Bacle.
Why should I look at shit that is speculation when I can look at confirmed actions of what is going on...

When everyone starting talking about the silos that was old news.

You are still buying into propaganda. Just because it isn't directly CCP doesn't mean it isn't propaganda
 

Bacle

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Bacle.
Why should I look at shit that is speculation when I can look at confirmed actions of what is going on...

When everyone starting talking about the silos that was old news.

You are still buying into propaganda. Just because it isn't directly CCP doesn't mean it isn't propaganda
You said you did not know about the tunnels, yet I found the article for them easily.

Also, I highly doubt the people who are writing the articles I've seen are working to spread CCP propaganda, instead of you know, trying to warm the US public about our weaknesses in hope the gov will actual do shit to address issues.

But no, people concerned about that sort of stuff based on publicly available data and articles are just 'buying CCP propaganda', according to you.

Do you even get how condisending, arrogant, and annoying 'Well I'm a spy, therefore no one here knows more than me about the world' attitude comes across?

I mean you didn't know about those tunnels, despite the news being nearly 10 years old now, and yet act like you know everything.
 

Zachowon

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You said you did not know about the tunnels, yet I found the article for them easily.

Also, I highly doubt the people who are writing the articles I've seen are working to spread CCP propaganda, instead of you know, trying to warm the US public about our weaknesses in hope the gov will actual do shit to address issues.

But no, people concerned about that sort of stuff based on publicly available data and articles are just 'buying CCP propaganda', according to you.

Do you even get how condisending, arrogant, and annoying 'Well I'm a spy, therefore no one here knows more than me about the world' attitude comes across?

I mean you didn't know about those tunnels, despite the news being nearly 10 years old now, and yet act like you know everything.
1. I can't read the article. Behind paywall.

2. I am actually not using "I'm a spy" at this point. I am using just knowledge I have being in FORSCOM and knowing what we know.

You overestimate China, and seem to trust a lot of this unverified information. How do we know the tunnels are as advanced as you think? How do we know thier ships are good quality? How do they compare to us etc etc.

You can't look at numbers and think "This will defeat us" you have to look at tech, at capabilities, supply lines, communication methods etc.

China is no where near ble to beat us in any of these regards
 

Bacle

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1. I can't read the article. Behind paywall.

2. I am actually not using "I'm a spy" at this point. I am using just knowledge I have being in FORSCOM and knowing what we know.

You overestimate China, and seem to trust a lot of this unverified information. How do we know the tunnels are as advanced as you think? How do we know thier ships are good quality? How do they compare to us etc etc.

You can't look at numbers and think "This will defeat us" you have to look at tech, at capabilities, supply lines, communication methods etc.

China is no where near ble to beat us in any of these regards
Here are some non-paywalled bit to back it up.



I know China has a rep for shit building quality, but I am not sure that the CCP military is also engaging in such shit quality engineering compare to the 'private' civie builders that have seen apartments blocks collapse.

Banking on China's stuff all being shit quality seems like overconfidence to me.
 

Zachowon

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Here are some non-paywalled bit to back it up.



I know China has a rep for shit building quality, but I am not sure that the CCP military is also engaging in such shit quality engineering compare to the 'private' civie builders that have seen apartments blocks collapse.

Banking on China's stuff all being shit quality seems like overconfidence to me.
It is less banking on and more knowing.

You will notice you will see a LOT less of the kind of testing we do from them. Mainly testing the Shockwave protection of the ship. As seem by our carrier tests.

Do I need to show you about how horrible the shit they use on the small arms level? That should show how it is going to go. There are plenty of issues with thier military. Thier equipment etc etc.

The US military is not over confident, we know the threat they present, we also know the quality of their equipment
 

PsihoKekec

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I dunno if this is true, but I recall hearing something about the latest Chinese fighter jet using tech and design stuff stolen from the US.
Pretty much all Chinese designs include tech stolen in the West. In the last twenty years China conducted nonstop spying assault on governmental and corporate networks, and it was mostly tolerated due to importance of the Chinese market. There is also corporations willingly handing over know-how for a limited access to Chinese market. There is also ''thousand grains of sand'' approach where chinese students abroad are encouraged to take up internship or limited time employment with tech firms, gather as much info as possible and return to China

They were given iirc very redumentary plans for a US aircraft.
Given? Those were stolen square and fair. Aren't you military intelligence? There should be some wider circulation internal documents on pervasiveness of Chinese cyber espionage. The limited technological cooperation before Tianmen is nothing compared to what they managed to steal afterwards.
 

Zachowon

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Pretty much all Chinese designs include tech stolen in the West. In the last twenty years China conducted nonstop spying assault on governmental and corporate networks, and it was mostly tolerated due to importance of the Chinese market. There is also corporations willingly handing over know-how for a limited access to Chinese market. There is also ''thousand grains of sand'' approach where chinese students abroad are encouraged to take up internship or limited time employment with tech firms, gather as much info as possible and return to China


Given? Those were stolen square and fair. Aren't you military intelligence? There should be some wider circulation internal documents on pervasiveness of Chinese cyber espionage. The limited technological cooperation before Tianmen is nothing compared to what they managed to steal afterwards.
I used the word given because I remeber someone on here saying Isreal gave China F35 plans.
 

PsihoKekec

Swashbuckling Accountant
I used the word given because I remeber someone on here saying Isreal gave China F35 plans.
Israel was accused of giving them plans for IAI Lavi, thus kickstarting the development of J-10. Of course the same people also accuse Israelis of selling the Chinese every other bit of technology USA shares with them like Patriot missiles and all other fighters.
 

Zachowon

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Israel was accused of giving them plans for IAI Lavi, thus kickstarting the development of J-10. Of course the same people also accuse Israelis of selling the Chinese every other bit of technology USA shares with them like Patriot missiles and all other fighters.
Ahhhh okay.
That is all I remeber and said give for that reason.

I know China steals ideas all the time. They just seem to always make a worse copy
 

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