Um those old stories talk about tech before the 5,000 year mark. Like 10,000 years ago. In the other non Chinese sources.
Edit: Also way less people on the Earth at that time.
Edit 2: Also Earth got whacked by and Asteroid around 11,000 years ago.
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Edit: Also way less people on the Earth at that time.
Edit 2: Also Earth got whacked by and Asteroid around 11,000 years ago.
And we would find many empty mines made with high technology,too.Unless they were all on sunken Atlantis,Mu and Lemuria.Then and only then ancient cyvilisation could existed.
We also have to take into account a few factors.
1: When the first Cities came into being 15,000 years ago. Sea Level was way lower. For instance the coastline of the Eastern Seaboard was 200 miles out.
2: The bulk of the Northern Continents were locked in the Ice Age. Making Europe and much of Northern and Central Asia a poor place to set up Cities and Towns.
3: The Levant, Arabian Subcontinent, Indian Subcontinent and Southeast Asia were the places people were beginning to set up permanent towns and cites. With the Mediterranean Sea being only the Mediterranean Ditch. Most of it was good farm land. And North Africa was a lush Grassland.
When the Earth got whacked by that Asteroid it ended those early civilizations. Just think what would happen if a rock the same size as that one would hit today in Northern Canada again. Our world would be knocked back to the Stone Age. It would be an Era ending disaster.
The Younger Dryas impact hypothesis has been pretty heavily discredited by now so I wouldn't put much stock in it.
They found the impact crater already along with the iridium layer. It has not been discredited.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I’m honestly fascinated and horrified by how many ancient civilizations could have existed long before our oldest known ones
Robert E Howard’s Hyborean Age and Thurian Age could actually fit in those hundreds of thousands of years ago
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Even in the event of such a cataclysmic civilization-ender, we would still have artifacts from any kind of industrial civilization. If you're trying to say there was or may have been an advanced bronze/Iron age civilization?
Maybe.
Anything that reached the level of widespread steam power?
Nope.
We have explored too much of the world in too much detail at this point, for anything other than a 'niche civilization in this one specific place' to possibly have done that. Nothing on the level of a large nation rises above the level of wild speculation. Now granted, just because the odds are miniscule, doesn't mean that every once in a while you don't get something of those miniscule odds happening, but there's no evidence of such a thing at this time.
I didn't use Wikipedia as my source. The latest data was posted this year on PBS Eons.
We have never did archeological digs in 200 to 300 feet of seawater. And evidence of such town and settlements point to them being now under water. Just look at that city they discovered of the coast of India. And the megaliths off the coast of Japan. If you want to find them then you will need diving gear.
And your rebuttable to the scientific paper?
I am on my phone at work. You can see the PBS Eons video on Youtube. They use hard science with data. If that ain't good enough then you will have to wait until Saturday.
Bear Ribs
Well-known member
That's not what that study says, at all. Let me quote an important sentence from your source there:
To be clear, the results of our study do not allow us to dismiss the Younger Dryas impact hypothesis outright, nor do they address the origin or significance of the remaining markers of Firestone et al.
The study doesn't do anything to disprove the Younger Dryas hypothesis and says so outright. They note that a single marker is also found in other black mat strata, that's all.
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You could be right.I remember stories about sunked cities near Okinawa and Ceylon.They even discovered some stone monuments near Okinawa which could be human made.
Which would matter if I was using it to disprove the hypothesis instead of using it to disprove his bit about Iridium being a marker supporting the younger dryas hypothesis.
Here. You can just watch the video and be happy with what is said.
Or
Analysis of the Younger Dryas Impact Layer (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV
The U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Scientific and Technical Information
www.osti.gov
Go through all the data showing you Earth getting whacked by an Asteroid 12,000 years ago. Your call sport.
Here. You can just watch the video and be happy with what is said.
Or
Analysis of the Younger Dryas Impact Layer (Journal Article) | OSTI.GOV
The U.S. Department of Energy's Office of Scientific and Technical Information
Go through all the data showing you Earth getting whacked by an Asteroid 12,000 years ago. Your call sport.
A PBS video that is full of as many "maybe's" and "could be's" as their Alien video's.
And a very nice 2010 paper... That's explained to not be what the author thinks by the paper from 2012 that I already posted...
As a note, you might want to take a look at the very very large ammount of scientific criticism the theory has garnered.
No offense but Wkipedia is not a reliable source. They could not even get where my old boat was homeported right.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The thing is, we don't need Archeological digs under 2-300 feet of seawater. We need any evidence whatsoever. If a theory requires that a wide-spread technological civilization existed exclusively within areas that are now extremely difficult or impossible to excavate, that alone makes the theory suspect. Not disproven, but suspect.
If a post-industrial civilization was large and prosperous, we would see artifacts from its existence in other parts of the world, even if it was just a handful here and there. There was and is trash created by modern civilizations, in places where native tribes still live at a stone-age level.
Beyond that there's the issue of the ocean floor. Ships. Now, when you're close enough to islands and continents, you have steadily-building layers of mud, silt, and sediment. When you get out into the open ocean, you have a lot of exposed stone seafloor. Some of it's way too deep to explore expediently, but some of it has been explored nonetheless.
And do you know what we've found absolutely none of? Shipwrecks from a pre-impact civilization.
'The primary sites are places we haven't looked yet' is not a completely unreasonable position to hold. 'No signs or relics whatsoever have been found anywhere else in the world at all' does make the position unreasonable.
As I said before, a sophisticated civilization existing like Rome or ancient China, pre-impact? That's plausible.
A large industrialized society? That's not plausible.
Not impossible, there's a sliver of a chance, but there isn't evidence to support it, meaning it's nothing but unsupported supposition.
Evidence would be hard to find actually. 12,000 years ago the total human population was around 200,000 people globally. That is on Eurasia, Africa, Australia, North America and South America. Most of which were still Hunter Gatherers. The people that began to build the first cities are at most barely 30,000. And the bulk of their civilization was in the levant and what is now Mediterranean Sea. Gomeckly Tepid alone proves they had some form of advanced tech from the stones they were using to build that complex. Not to mention the advanced math required to make the complex stable. It was not like today. There are over 7 Billion of us. But for them they were small enough to leave only two big cities above the waves. For context there are more people in my home County than they had period.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
Just for a clarification, with the talk Mahabharata before, do you claim that there was an advanced civilization with bronze age or steel age technology that was knocked down by the meteor or that there was industrial age civilization that was knocked down by the meteor?