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“But chiefly he had to be brought to the edge of despair and then over it. Her tilted eyes gave Luke an intense searching gaze. "You taught him well but it was necessary for him to forget every lesson you gave him, by showing that none of the gifts you gave him could help him". Vergere Destiny's Way.

Sometimes you have to fall off the edge before you can rise again. In the time of greatest despair, when there is no hope of rescue, you must find the strength to break your chains yourself.

I am Lord Invictus, what are you?
Someone not so fucking full of themselves, or convinced that dragging people over the edge actually helps them in a meaningful way, or who takes life lessons from a failed apprentice to Sidious.

I mean fuck, do you know how fucking stupid and nihilistic you sound to anyone not already blackpilled?

I prefer to give hope, rather than take it.
 
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Someone not so fucking full of themselves, or convinced that dragging people over the edge actually helps them in a meaningful way, or who takes life lessons from a failed apprentice to Sidious.

I mean fuck, do you know how fucking stupid and nihilistic you sound to anyone not already blackpilled?

I prefer to give hope, rather than take it.
I myself have said I’m not a nihilist. I get up in the morning, I don’t lay down to die.

The world is passing away.

Let’s be real here-if there is no God, and no hope of a hereafter. The earth will eventually be consumed by the sun and the universe will through the inevitable process of entropy be a place of fleeting atoms that never contact each other ever.

Unless your a humanist and believe we can overcome those things. Which is fine, that’s an actual belief system but I ain’t seein no progress yet. Come back to me when we have FTL and replicators.

This world is hopeless, I cited Vergere who by the way believed that problems could be overcome, and wasn’t a failed apprentice. Half in jest, half sincerely. And yes pushing people over the edge is productive if they get the right lessons for it. If she were a nihilist, she would have told Jacen to just accept his torture and wait until he died of old age because it didn’t matter, in fact she gave him that choice.

But if you want something else-I’d quote Solomon who remarked that the river goes to the sea and back again, it’s all a rat race. This world is a rat race. And we’re the rats.

That doesn’t mean things can’t get better, or that problems aren’t solved, but that human nature and societies never fundamentally change.

That is except when history ends. When the world is destroyed and remade for those who were faithful.

I mean if I were a true nihilist-I’d encourage everyone to commit mass suicide because well damn it doesn’t matter. Which I clearly do not do.

Solomon wasn’t a nihilist, and Vergere wasn’t a nihilist.

So think a little before you reprimand me.
 

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I myself have said I’m not a nihilist. I get up in the morning, I don’t lay down to die.

The world is passing away.

Let’s be real here-if there is no God, and no hope of a hereafter. The earth will eventually be consumed by the sun and the universe will through the inevitable process of entropy be a place of fleeting atoms that never contact each other ever.

Unless your a humanist and believe we can overcome those things. Which is fine, that’s an actual belief system but I ain’t seein no progress yet. Come back to me when we have FTL and replicators.

This world is hopeless, I cited Vergere who by the way believed that problems could be overcome, and wasn’t a failed apprentice. Half in jest, half sincerely. And yes pushing people over the edge is productive if they get the right lessons for it. If she were a nihilist, she would have told Jacen to just accept his torture and wait until he died of old age because it didn’t matter, in fact she gave him that choice.

But if you want something else-I’d quote Solomon who remarked that the river goes to the sea and back again, it’s all a rat race. This world is a rat race. And we’re the rats.

That doesn’t mean things can’t get better, or that problems aren’t solved, but that human nature and societies never fundamentally change.

That is except when history ends. When the world is destroyed and remade for those who were faithful.

I mean if I were a true nihilist-I’d encourage everyone to commit mass suicide because well damn it doesn’t matter. Which I clearly do not do.

So think a little before you reprimand me.
Not even going to do you the dignity of reading your blackpill bullshit.

In fact, you are simply going on Ignore, so I no longer need to waste any time even viewing your toxic bullshit.
 

PeliusAnar

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Video of the shooting. It was either betting beaten to death like sword guy or shoot.

Yep, self defense easily. He was trying to retreat and they chased him. So that satisfies duty to retreat if it is that type of state, always forget which ones are duty to retreat or stand your ground. The crowd also shouted out they planned to kill him, so clear intent to commit bodily harm. Finally he was attacked and thrown to the ground and hit with a skateboard. So stupid this is actually a thing. While he will have to spend a few days in custody, this video = get out of jail free for sure.
 

CarlManvers2019

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Yep, self defense easily. He was trying to retreat and they chased him. So that satisfies duty to retreat if it is that type of state, always forget which ones are duty to retreat or stand your ground. The crowd also shouted out they planned to kill him, so clear intent to commit bodily harm. Finally he was attacked and thrown to the ground and hit with a skateboard. So stupid this is actually a thing. While he will have to spend a few days in custody, this video = get out of jail free for sure.

One guy on that twitter said that he was hitting people and came looking for a fight.

They can make up as much "evidence" as they want, even with this actual evidence around

I know I sound like I’m being a doomer, but I think being behind bars, or at least minimal security or something would keep this guy from getting torn apart by other mobs
 

Sailor.X

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This is gonna sound messed up. But if a community can't muster more than a handful of people to protect their Historical places. Then maybe they should not get mad when something they could have protected get's destroyed. It would be like me getting mad that my next door neighbors house got broken into when I could have prevented it from happening by intercepting the guy going in.
 

CarlManvers2019

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This is gonna sound messed up. But if a community can't muster more than a handful of people to protect their Historical places. Then maybe they should not get mad when something they could have protected get's destroyed. It would be like me getting mad that my next door neighbors house got broken into when I could have prevented it from happening by intercepting the guy going in.

Not everyone can afford to be brave, and they know these rioters can get away with attempted murder, crippling, looting and actual murder

And just cause they have guns, doesn’t mean they’re ready to shoot

Yeah, it sounds cowardly, but it takes a lot to be brave when you’re not essentially completely backed into the corner with no escape
 

StormEagle

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A brave man dies once and a coward dies a Thousand deaths.

Ultimately, this is easy to say but much harder to put into practice. People, especially people used to the bread and circuses of the affluent west, rather enjoy living and would prefer to do more of it.

We, culturally speaking, have become much more risk averse than in days past. We’ve become comfortable, fat, and happy in our indolence and despise anything and anyone that disrupts that.

That’s why so many prefer to duck their heads and shuffle along out of sight, rather than risk our lives or social standing by speaking up against the current leftist lunacy outside of the company of those that agree with us.

My workplace, for example, is rather left leaning and has released in house memos pronouncing support for BLM. If I spoke out on Twitter or facebook, it’d be rather easy to track down my workplace and likely get me fired for it.

That’s why I keep my mouth shut and move along with my day, and bitch in the privacy of my own home or largely anonymous web forums like this.

In short, I think it would take something truly monumental and disastrous to fully shake the majority of Americans into action against Antifa and BLM.

A couple of cities burning to the ground won’t cut it. If the riots continue for several months and move into the suburbs, then we might see a true backlash against the left.

Until then, I expect little to no action from the largely politically inactive American public.
 

JagerIV

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And of course, the saying isnt, well, true.

Let's say you do say something, and get blacklisted? Your bravery doesnt leave you to die once, but to die a little bit every day as you struggle to make ends meet doing small part time work recovering from being blacklisted from your career.

Same with any bravery that lands you in jail or with a fine: you get to spend months and years slowly dieing.

Your not dealing with people so merciful as to merely kill you. Your long term suffering is the goal.
 

StormEagle

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Man, you make it sound way worse than dealing with the Russian Mob

Even being able to hate your opposition is something that looks to have been taken away from
you

The mafias usually just want your money and the respect they think they deserve. If you pay the protection racket, maybe do some jobs for them, and kiss the ring, they’ll mostly leave well enough alone unless you somehow piss them off.

They're violent thugs, but they have some amount of reason to their actions.

The left doesn’t just want submission. They want total, complete, slavish devotion to their various insane social causes. They want your total capitulation to them and the social hierarchy of oppression politics and intersectionality.

And even that is sometimes not enough to call off the wolves.

Would rather deal with Vlad than any given Antifa member, tbh.
 

LifeisTiresome

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Man, you make it sound way worse than dealing with the Russian Mob

Even being able to hate your opposition is something that looks to have been taken away from
you
Again,

C.S Lewis quote:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

Mafias are the robber barons. They want money. They want respect. They don't care to run your life or how you think.

Leftists want complete and utter control and submission.
 

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
Again,

C.S Lewis quote:

Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience. They may be more likely to go to Heaven yet at the same time likelier to make a Hell of earth. This very kindness stings with intolerable insult. To be "cured" against one's will and cured of states which we may not regard as disease is to be put on a level of those who have not yet reached the age of reason or those who never will; to be classed with infants, imbeciles, and domestic animals.

Mafias are the robber barons. They want money. They want respect. They don't care to run your life or how you think.

Leftists want complete and utter control and submission.

It’ll take time, but eventually, the only way for them to control people would be ONLY through FEAR as they run out of other people’s money and people become “selfish” in an Ayn Rand sense
 

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