Cultural destruction and White guilt

[Senor Hortler]

Guns only work if you're A) willing to use them and B) willing to use them as a group. One lone asshole isn't going to have anything done except have his guns taken away or be shot by the police. Saying 'we have guns' is saying 'We are willing to engage in armed conflict with the government if you try us' and so far the government has been trying, and trying and trying and the guns haven't done shit. It's a textbook cope.

EDIT: There will always be an excuse, there will always be a reason why 'this time I won't, but next time if those rascally socjuses do it again!' because using violence against the government over incremental shit is literally insane. It's always been and always will be insane. The assholes in power will happily do salami tactics until you're country is radically transformed. Trump doesn't stop shit; the republicans don't stop shit. They put it on pause for a bit and then it carries on just like before but the republicans get to have a smug chuckle that they 'owned the libs'.

Our capital isn't immigrant's your thinking of London.

London's essentially been colonised. The cockney people don't even really exist anymore. Very sad.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

Our capital isn't immigrant's your thinking of London.

Yeah, I know. I was talking about the conservative movement in the west as a whole. That example was just showing more of how leftists are wining. I will edit to add clarification

 

[LordsFire]

They are still wining. The intersectionalists still run academia and media and are successfully pushing their BS into governments and corporations and even into programming. They have succeeded in muting native population voices and having countries be filled with immigrants. When your own capital city is basically nearly all immigrants, thats official for your country is lost.

All you guys have is "Muh Trump" and "Muh Guns".

And apparently one of your primary arguments is trite condescension.

Trump has had a meaningful impact for the better. Before he ran, most Republicans were slaves to political correctness. Now only some are. He's deregulated things, pushed back harder (though we want harder still) against illegal immigration, and has actually made moves against the Big Tech Oligopolies.

If you want to only focus on the negatives, things will look like shit. If you look at both the positives and negatives, you get a more complete picture.

The war is not lost. The enemy has advanced far further than we'd like, but they most certainly have not yet won.

Guns only work if you're A) willing to use them and B) willing to use them as a group. One lone asshole isn't going to have anything done except have his guns taken away or be shot by the police. Saying 'we have guns' is saying 'We are willing to engage in armed conflict with the government if you try us' and so far the government has been trying, and trying and trying and the guns haven't done shit. It's a textbook cope.

You're wrong twice over here.

1. There is not a mass crackdown by police on 'undesireables.' Soap Box, Ballot Box, Jury Box, Ammunition Box. The ammunition box is the last box to use, and using it prematurely causes more harm than good. Or are you seriously saying that the conservative wing in America should be trying for violent overthrow of the government right now?

2. All that the gun owners need to do to 'win' against a half-formed police state, is make it damned clear that if they start trying to arrest us all for owning guns, every time they kick in a door to arrest someone, some of them will be going back out that door in a body-bag. There are more guns than people in the USA, and the lefties downsizing the police are going to make it harder, not easier for them to try to enforce gun confiscation.

And that's before you even get into the fact that after the first couple of arrests are attempted, you will see organized resistance. The Antifa slacktivists with their sieges on government buildings in areas controlled by sympathizers and co-conspirators, would be nothing on what gun owners would accomplish in an hour by showing up with actual guns to tell law enforcement that the Second Amendment trumps whoever gave them their marching orders, and they can hand over their badges right the hell now, thank you very much. Their services are no longer needed.

Hell, lefties are starting to buy guns too, as these riots and local government's endorsement of them starts red-pilling them.

Stuff it with your defeatist nonsense, you're just helping the leftists. The war is far from over, and I intend to fight to win, not to make myself feel better.

 

[Sailor.X]

The number one killer of young black men...is other black men according to the FBI.

If they want reparations for slavery which African countries will they go after since some nations would sell people from different areas into slavery not to mention what the Arabs got up to. Lastly what is to keep the far left from eating itself alive and collapsing?

Nope the number one killer of Black Men period is Hypertension. My doc drilled that in my head from day one. And that also surprising enough includes Black Men in the age 30 range.

Edit: Good news sort of Hypertension has been beaten out............... By Heart Disease. From the CDC-Leading Causes of Death-Non-Hispanic Black Males 2016

Gun violence is still not number one not even close.

 

[LifeisTiresome]

And apparently one of your primary arguments is trite condescension.

Trump has had a meaningful impact for the better. Before he ran, most Republicans were slaves to political correctness. Now only some are. He's deregulated things, pushed back harder (though we want harder still) against illegal immigration, and has actually made moves against the Big Tech Oligopolies.

If you want to only focus on the negatives, things will look like shit. If you look at both the positives and negatives, you get a more complete picture.

The war is not lost. The enemy has advanced far further than we'd like, but they most certainly have not yet won.

My main point is that all this talk of "We have guns" is irrelevant. Until you start going into actual conflict with the enemy using said guns, those guns are worthless. The enemy are far smarter and use the institutions to win. You think the enemy is the raging mobs on the streets? Those people are the brownshirts, the tools of the enemy elites. Are these mobs running the NGOs who smuggle people into nations and then help them become citizens? No. of course not. Are these mobs the ones teaching the subversive shit I have posted? Maybe some but majority no.

Thats what I'm saying.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Our capital isn't immigrant's your thinking of London.

Your real capital is New York.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

My main point is that all this talk of "We have guns" is irrelevant. Until you start going into actual conflict with the enemy using said guns, those guns are worthless. The enemy are far smarter and use the institutions to win. You think the enemy is the raging mobs on the streets? Those people are the brownshirts, the tools of the enemy elites. Are these mobs running the NGOs who smuggle people into nations and then help them become citizens? No. of course not. Are these mobs the ones teaching the subversive shit I have posted? Maybe some but majority no.

Thats what I'm saying.

Guns are the nuclear weapons of politics. Useless 99.9999999% of the time.

When the Rainbow Curtain falls completely, finance, business, politics and social pressure will move in lockstep to put immense pressure on guns, firearms ownership and firearms advocacy.

Then the conservatives will realise muh gunz didnt help them one bit. You can own a gun at the cost of being socially executed and deplatformed from everything.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Your real capital is New York.

Which also isn't immigrant majority thus irrelevant.

 

[Cherico]

Nope the number one killer of Black Men period is Hypertension. My doc drilled that in my head from day one. And that also surprising enough includes Black Men in the age 30 range.

Edit: Good news sort of Hypertension has been beaten out............... By Heart Disease. From the CDC-Leading Causes of Death-Non-Hispanic Black Males 2016

Gun violence is still not number one not even close.

as bad as hypertension and heart disease is both are preferable then dying from cancer that shit sucks.

 

[Senor Hortler]

And apparently one of your primary arguments is trite condescension.
Trump has had a meaningful impact for the better. Before he ran, most Republicans were slaves to political correctness. Now only some are. He's deregulated things, pushed back harder (though we want harder still) against illegal immigration, and has actually made moves against the Big Tech Oligopolies.

No he hasn't. They still are 'slaves to political correctness'; the big tech is still just as big and is still actively hammering down anyone that disagrees with the party line. What exactly has changed? Has twitter, facebook and youtube stopped stamping on anything rightward of Stalin? No; if anything they're ramped it up. I think that's going to change if he wins (I say if to hedge my bets; but I really don't see Biden winning.) and America continues to pull back from the world. I feel that the turning point will be when the rest of the world wakes up and embraces the fact that America is no longer willing to pull the weight. We've already seen stirrings of this in Europe; and in America, and in the western world. I just don't think many of our politicians are ready to accept that the paradigm has changed (UK specifically for the last part)/

1. There is not a mass crackdown by police on 'undesireables.' The ammunition box is the last box to use, and using it prematurely causes more harm than good. Or are you seriously saying that the conservative wing in America should be trying for violent overthrow of the government right now?

I'm saying that you will always find an excuse; there will never be a time where the last option is your only option. Or at least there never will be that situation for enough people for it to matter if you all own guns in terms of the government. I do think I should make it clear here that I 100% think you should own a gun for self defence, know how to use it; be fit and healthy enough to get away from dangerous situations and stocked enough to go a few weeks without power.

I'm not saying guns are useless; they're incredibly useful. But I don't think that use extends to preventing the government from engaging in anarcho tyranny. I think that the mindset behind someone who goes out and buys a gun, ensures he knows how to use it; and believes he is willing to use it is more important than the firearm itself right now. Enough of those people will ensure victory.

2. All that the gun owners need to do to 'win' against a half-formed police state, is make it damned clear that if they start trying to arrest us all for owning guns, every time they kick in a door to arrest someone, some of them will be going back out that door in a body-bag. There are more guns than people in the USA, and the lefties downsizing the police are going to make it harder, not easier for them to try to enforce gun confiscation.

Why would they arrest you all? No one needs to arrest you all; they just need to stop you doing shit on other pretenses. Make it racist to defend against a Black man, ensure the media vilifies you every time you dare poke your head out; make it so keeping your job is untennable. They don't need to use the state against all of you; just a few of you can be arrested for trumped up charges and paraded around as the nations 'evil Nazi man' until the majority of people who just want to live their lives shrug, accept it and move on without doing anything. Guns won't matter as much as your people coming together, organizing, coordinating and forming a counter movement. Be ruthless in the pursuit of ensuring that your politics, and your views, and your goals come out ahead; and fuck anyone who gets in the way of that.

The tactics used by the lefties work. They will continue to work because they rely on people letting them work. I personally don't think that's going to last much longer as I do think that people are getting rightly fed the fuck up with it, but I also don't think guns will play any real role in the pushback beyond the capacity for self defence. Hell I think that the lefties are shooting themselves in the foot; they're already setting a precedent in the UK for the return of essentially paramilitary wings of political movements with their latest 'black militia march'.

Hell, lefties are starting to buy guns too, as these riots and local government's endorsement of them starts red-pilling them.

Well yes, for self defence. Not to fight the government. I have a gun for self defence (legally I have a gun for target shooting because Britain is cuckolded to hell and back regarding gun laws and no cunt is willing to even talk about loosening them.)

Stuff it with your defeatist nonsense, you're just helping the leftists. The war is far from over, and I intend to fight to win, not to make myself feel better.

The 'war' is being 'fought' within the current liberal system and advantages the left. Unless you're willing to do away with the idea of equality of ideas; and the freedom to teach as you wish this shit will keep cropping up again and again. Unless you are willing to organise as a group and adopt the same tactics (that fucking work) then you're simply going to bitch on the sidelines and get a smug chuckle every now and again while those 'retarded and stupid leftists' ignore you and tear down your civilisation.

I am not defeatist. I am 100% committed to the idea that this phase in our society will end; and that when it does end the pushback will be brutal, unpleasant and entirely merciless. But I do not think that the way forward is with individual gun owners. I think that we need is organised parties of men and women willing to work together to form counter communities that are willing to do anything to ensure that we win, our civilisation stands and our beliefs are the ones that will out.

Your real capital is New York.

In fairness as Mosley once said: "British democracy! There's nothing British about it! Our capitol may as well be New York! Wall Street!". Still true really. The UK's like America shitty henchman. Sad.

Ironically as much as everyone bitches about Americans lacking culture, or being only concerned with money; they're far better about it that the British conservative party. 9/10 Republicans I'd he happy to have as my MP. I can't even think of a single British politician I would piss on if they were on fire. I do think America has a decent chance of winning this without losing what they are as well. I don't think Britain does. I'm still an ethnonationalist, that's never going to change. But being on this forum has weirdly softened me to the American experiment Their politicians seem to actually care about what they do and have values.

The 'tories are just liberals with a financial plan, and are interested in nothing but profit at the expense of the British people. Labour are the party of immigrants, homosexuals and the mentally ill with a base of hardcore commies.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

In fairness as Mosley once said: "British democracy! There's nothing British about it! Our capitol may as well be New York! Wall Street!". Still true really. The UK's like America shitty henchman. Sad.

Ironically as much as everyone bitches about Americans lacking culture, or being only concerned with money; they're far better about it that the British conservative party. 9/10 Republicans I'd he happy to have as my MP. I can't even think of a single British politician I would piss on if they were on fire. I do think America has a decent chance of winning this without losing what they are as well. I don't think Britain does. I'm still an ethnonationalist, that's never going to change. But being on this forum has weirdly softened me to the American experiment Their politicians seem to actually care about what they do and have values.

The 'tories are just liberals with a financial plan, and are interested in nothing but profit at the expense of the British people. Labour are the party of immigrants, homosexuals and the mentally ill with a base of hardcore commies.

I have a theory about the English ruling classes, and this also extends to the rest of the anglosphere as well, esp the colonies.
There is a divide between the proles and the upper classes (and the bougie strivers that wish to join the upper classes) that approaches an ethnic divide.

That is because, in the beginning it was!

The big issue in the English speaking world is that the Normans were never overthrown. They just kinda merged with their subjects. But, their basic contempt for the people they dominated never went away. Over time, the Norman contempt for the Saxon mutated into an upper class contempt for the proles and their culture in general. The divide was never really healed over..it just changed. The Upper classes do not identify at all with the proles, and define themselves partially in opposition to them.

This...Normanism for lack of a better word manifests itself as a persistent culture cringe that values the foreign over the domestic. A small example might be cuisine. English cookery is highly underrated, and despite holding a massive Empire, the English never created a prestigious cuisine. Why? Because when the ruling classes wanted to show off, they cooked French. The palaces of the nobles never developed a gourmet version of Toads in the Hole. Only in deserts has English Cuisine been allowed to shine, and that is because deserts were luxury items for the bourgeoisie and nobility. Victorian era Coal miners didnt have time for tea and brandysnaps.

The result in our modern world is that he native population of the UK is seen as just another bunch of people to be administered. Having less and less connection with them, the Anglo upper classes operate less as an elite for their people, and more like a caste of foreign occupiers who work to keep the native tribes down so they can exploit the local resources for wealth.

 

[Sailor.X]

as bad as hypertension and heart disease is both are preferable then dying from cancer that shit sucks.

Yep Cancer is a bear. I would rather have a massive heart attack and die that way than cancer.

 

[LordsFire]

There's a lot of crap being said I'm not even going to try to argue with. This though, I feel the need to reply to:

The 'war' is being 'fought' within the current liberal system and advantages the left. Unless you're willing to do away with the idea of equality of ideas; and the freedom to teach as you wish this shit will keep cropping up again and again. Unless you are willing to organise as a group and adopt the same tactics (that fucking work) then you're simply going to bitch on the sidelines and get a smug chuckle every now and again while those 'retarded and stupid leftists' ignore you and tear down your civilisation.

1. I don't believe in equality of ideas, and I frankly don't know any serious philosopher or politically active individual who does.

2. The problem isn't 'freedom to teach as you wish,' the problem is that the left has managed to get the state subsidizing them teaching their bullshit. We don't need to remove freedom to teach what you want, we need to remove their orthodoxy from public institutions. And that is not going to be an easy battle.

3. If we adopt the leftist playbook, we'll just help tear down civilization. Because that's what their playbook leads to, tearing civilization down so that you can rule the ashes. Now make no mistake, I have no truck with the 'establishment Republican' playbook either. You do not fight the same way against people who are fighting in bad faith, as those who are fighting in good faith. The offense needs to be taken, and the leadership of the modern left needs to be called out for being genuine bigots, racists, and the kind of 'leaders' who don't care how many people have to die or be ruined so long as they get into power.

To the extent that 'sounding mean' is using the 'leftist playbook,' yes, it should be done. The difference is, the accusations are justified when it comes to throwing them at the left.


Something I'm repeatedly seeing on this thread, is people who over-focus on part of what is going on, ,and just do not see the rest.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

There's a lot of crap being said I'm not even going to try to argue with. This though, I feel the need to reply to:


3. If we adopt the leftist playbook, we'll just help tear down civilization. Because that's what their playbook leads to, tearing civilization down so that you can rule the ashes. Now make no mistake, I have no truck with the 'establishment Republican' playbook either. You do not fight the same way against people who are fighting in bad faith, as those who are fighting in good faith. The offense needs to be taken, and the leadership of the modern left needs to be called out for being genuine bigots, racists, and the kind of 'leaders' who don't care how many people have to die or be ruined so long as they get into power.

Maybe it needs to be torn down.

What you call western civ is fucking corpse. It died on the battlefields of Europe. it was great, it was glorious, and now its dead. What has taken its place is a parasite that wears the rags of its flesh..but it isnt the west. It is in fact a complete inversion of the west. This anti-west is your enemy. it actively means to harm you. All the institutions are either hostile to you or too ineffective to protect you and as such you should oppose them all.

The great failure of the conservatives is that are trying to preserve a corpse, and so they keep defending institutions that are either full on zombies or are actively hostile to them. You should not try and preserve it. You should reject it..all of it. only when you reject it can you properly critique it, oppose it, defeat it. your goal isnt to preserve to old west. Your goal is to lay the framework of a new west, build on the remnants of the old west but rooted in the new realities.

You should not be 'pointing out the bigotry of the left. Thats just plays into the narratives of the Enemy. You should be actively working to deconstruct that idea of bigotry and racism itself. You should reject the politics of abstract ideals and embrace the politics of power, the politics of tribe, the politics of identity.

 

[Rocinante]

Maybe it needs to be torn down.

What you call western civ is fucking corpse. It died on the battlefields of Europe. it was great, it was glorious, and now its dead. What has taken its place is a parasite that wears the rags of its flesh..but it isnt the west. It is in fact a complete inversion of the west. This anti-west is your enemy. it actively means to harm you. All the institutions are either hostile to you or too ineffective to protect you and as such you should oppose them all.

The great failure of the conservatives is that are trying to preserve a corpse, and so they keep defending institutions that are either full on zombies or are actively hostile to them. You should not try and preserve it. You should reject it..all of it. only when you reject it can you properly critique it, oppose it, defeat it. your goal isnt to preserve to old west. Your goal is to lay the framework of a new west, build on the remnants of the old west but rooted in the new realities.

You should not be 'pointing out the bigotry of the left. Thats just plays into the narratives of the Enemy. You should be actively working to deconstruct that idea of bigotry and racism itself. You should reject the politics of abstract ideals and embrace the politics of power, the politics of tribe, the politics of identity.

Oh fuck that.

The answer to identity politics, isn't more identity politics.

If it takes playing identity politics to beat identity politics, then it's a game I'm not interested in playing.

I don't like identity politics, PERIOD. I don't give a flying fuck which side is using them. I am going to be against it either way! Just because one side has a different letter by their name, doesn't make something that I am opposed to okay.

The answer is to challenge and break down those playing intersectionalist bullshit. It takes time, effort, and patience.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

Oh fuck that.

The answer to identity politics, isn't more identity politics.

If it takes playing identity politics to beat identity politics, then it's a game I'm not interested in playing.

I don't like identity politics, PERIOD. I don't give a flying fuck which side is using them. I am going to be against it either way! Just because one side has a different letter by their name, doesn't make something that I am opposed to okay.

The answer is to challenge and break down those playing intersectionalist bullshit. It takes time, effort, and patience.

Then into the dustbin of history you will go. Losing honourably is still losing. Feelings dont care about your facts.

 

[Rocinante]

Then into the dustbin of history you will go. Losing honourably is still losing. Feelings dont care about your facts.

You say this as we watched Trump and the GOP win all 3 sectors of government in 2016. A good portion of that being in direct opposition to SJW bullshit.

Things aren't lost yet.

And you're not understanding that "winning" through identity politics is still losing to me. I don't give a fuck what letter is by their name.

 

[AnimalNoodles]

You say this as we watched Trump and the GOP win all 3 sectors of government in 2016. A good portion of that being in direct opposition to SJW bullshit.

Things aren't lost yet.

Trump won by appealing to identity politics, and then promptly did nothing.

But what has he accomplished exactly?

 

[Rocinante]

Trump won by appealing to identity politics, and then promptly did nothing.

But what has he accomplished exactly?

I'm not exactly a huge Trump fan.

I'm only voting for him because democrats are worse, not because I enjoy his identity politics.

Winning through identity politics is still losing to me. I want to combat identity politics. By embracing them, I become that which I wish to fight. I reject identity politics.

 

[Bacle]

I'm not exactly a huge Trump fan.

I'm only voting for him because democrats are worse, not because I enjoy his identity politics.

Winning through identity politics is still losing to me. I want to combat identity politics. By embracing them, I become that which I wish to fight. I reject identity politics.

Frankly I think there is a good chance Animal is a Leftist agent provacatur trying to demoralize people on the right.