Cultural destruction and White guilt
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Winning through identity politics is winning.
This idea that using tactics that work; and implementing them aggressively is a bad thing when you're face with an enemy position that is so antithetical to your own that it would - if it won - literally erase you and yours from the history books is asinine. The 'identity politics' of the left work, and they work because you refuse to engage in them. That is the reality. This small government, anti collectivist; 'just see the individual' mindset born of the enlightenment is built upon a lie and is toothless against people who are steadfast in the belief that they are owed something because of their sex, race or mental illness.
I don't know if Animal Noodle sees it this way but no one else is 'moving into' identity politics; they were already there. When they arrived on the border they used it, when they settled and demanded more and more and more they were using it, when rape gangs, and hood gangs, and special interest groups formed they were doing it. Identity politics is the simple result of minority groups acting in the only real way that can benefit them as a group; and engaging in tactics that work to divide and tear down the majority group in our nations.
When the boot is on the other foot it will not work for us. Churchil has been incorrectly quoted as correctly saying 'Muslims are very concerned with minority rights when they are a minority; but when they are a majority there are no minority rights'.
While wrongly attributed it is still true. If tomorrow you were put in charge of the country there would be no mass roundups. If tomorrow the vanguardists of BLM, or NOI, or even the average UK Muslim were put in charge of the country things would change overnight; there would be no more of this 'free discussion'. There would be a repayment of 'wrongs'. Movements of all kind are defined by their vanguards, and they are led by them.
When your oppisition is advocating for your annihilation it doesn't matter how you win; only that you do. The people who win through terrible means are the ones that can sit around lamenting how awful they were to the ones that were crushed underfoot waving their fists in righteous, pointless rejection.
Bacle, grow up. You heard a republican say something racist and had a breakdown so thorough and severe you howl like a dying calf every time anyone says anything that isn't the neocon party line; you block people you disagree with and your sole position is a literal meme about grilling. If anyone is the 'leftist agent' it's you. You do nothing but 'reeeeee' and gnash your teeth whenever anything close to 'muh racism' gets mentioned.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
i was on SB for over 15 years and no one ever accused me of being a liberal or leftist lol
Valiran
I am a sad capybara.
What do you mean by "ill-bred"? What does that have to do with anything?
D
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Literally look at most of the world.
Identity politics is how politics is played. You gin up your group for either freebies or government control.
Ethnic conflict is how things are done in most of the world.
In a homogenous western society we could debate honorable losing and the merits of ideas.
In a multicultural maelstrom, groups will act in favor of their group interests.
Why do blacks vote Dem? Because the Dems give them shit. It doesn’t matter that their economic situation doesn’t improve or whatever. They provide votes and Dems provide freebies or patronage.
Ethnic conflict-struggle for resources, control of public policy, the military, and so forth is how most of the world does politics.
Not ideas.
For 90% of humanity-group identity will trump abstract ideology every time.
I don’t like it, no one should like it. But that’s how it is. Ethnic conflict either through direct violence or an indirect struggle through voting and thus control of government is how politics works.
The Democrats are a coalition of patrons and their backers. The Dems understand that identity matters, they don’t appeal to Hispanic or black voters on ideological grounds-but on grounds of ethnic interest(often emotional based and false but that confirms the point-identity is far more important to the Dem coalition than ideas).
Identity politics is how politics is played. You gin up your group for either freebies or government control.
Ethnic conflict is how things are done in most of the world.
In a homogenous western society we could debate honorable losing and the merits of ideas.
In a multicultural maelstrom, groups will act in favor of their group interests.
Why do blacks vote Dem? Because the Dems give them shit. It doesn’t matter that their economic situation doesn’t improve or whatever. They provide votes and Dems provide freebies or patronage.
Ethnic conflict-struggle for resources, control of public policy, the military, and so forth is how most of the world does politics.
Not ideas.
For 90% of humanity-group identity will trump abstract ideology every time.
I don’t like it, no one should like it. But that’s how it is. Ethnic conflict either through direct violence or an indirect struggle through voting and thus control of government is how politics works.
The Democrats are a coalition of patrons and their backers. The Dems understand that identity matters, they don’t appeal to Hispanic or black voters on ideological grounds-but on grounds of ethnic interest(often emotional based and false but that confirms the point-identity is far more important to the Dem coalition than ideas).
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
This post is impressive in its ignorance.
Maybe European culture died on the Battlefields of Europe, but American culture sure as hell didn't.
After WWII, is when America rose to ascendancy in the world. Partly because the other powers had broken each other, but partly because our culture was not spent. American culture's sharp decline started in the 60's, though the seeds were sown in academia and the social elite much earlier.
You're also showing how little you understand of just how horrific anarchy is. Not to mention that deliberately tearing America apart from the inside would result in China becoming the world's leading power, and that would cause enormous amounts of suffering as well.
At this point, I think I can safely conclude that you're just sitting in the position of someone too black-pilled to have an accurate understanding of reality.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
American ascendancy is the twitching of the corpse.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Which explains why we are still the most powerful economy and military in the world. Which explains why American innovation is the driving force of technology development in the world, has been since WWII, and doesn't look to be changing anytime soon.
Yeah. Corpse.
America has a disease. That's certainly true. We have serious problems, problems that need to be aggressively dealt with. But even with this illness, we are a nation and power without peer in the world. If the entirety of the rest of the world decided to wage war on America, the outcome is in serious doubt.
America is not a corpse, and that you think it is, says more about the flaws in your understanding the world, than it does about America.
I wouldn't really say that. America is still a nation beyond even a superpower at this point. The only thing that could really come close is the entirety of the EU if they ever united as one; and even that would definitely play second fiddle. America's withdrawal isn't because America as a nation is somehow weaker. It's because there's no real reason for it to foot the bill for everyone else. The Cold War ended and the USA won; why would they bother sticking around and shoring up everyone else?
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
America is not a corpse. America, as it it currently constructed is more akin to a tumour.
They are the USSR of Globohomo.
They are the USSR of Globohomo.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Yeah, you're just shit-posting at this point. Either try to make a real point, or stop bothering people with your doom-and gloom.
AnimalNoodles
Well-known member
Its not a shitpost. The USA has been the single most important element spreading global neoliberalism and poz.
This is America now. This flag flies at your embassies.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
Its not a shitpost. The USA has been the single most important element spreading global neoliberalism and poz.
This is America now. This flag flies at your embassies.
It also defeated the USSR, is the key element in keeping China contained (albeit better policies towards them would have prevented a lot of the problems we have now), is the greatest source of the spread of Christianity in the world, has lead the fight against Islamic Terrorism (as imperfectly as it has done so), and keeps world shipping lanes open.
It has good points as well as bad. Please try to wrap your mind around that fact.
Now you're just downplaying the role of the USSR in defeating the USSR. I would say they played a very large part and America owes them a lot for their destruction of the USA's enemy. The USSR wasn't all bad, it destroyed the USSR after all.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
If it hadn't been for the USA, the USSR would have conquered all of Europe for certain, Britain most likely (but not for certain), and would have rolled through central Asia, across the Middle East, and into Africa.
Reagan put pressure on the USSR until the massive internal weaknesses couldn't hold up anymore, and it collapsed. If there had not been that external pressure, it probably would have lasted decades longer.
Britain more than likely; if the USA didn't care about the USSR then they probably wouldn't have cared about a need for a bunch of natural airstrips guarded by water. If the USSR didn't outright seize it then we'd have definitely fallen in their influence by sheer proximity to the rest of Europe. Without the USA shit would have been grim.
I was mainly just poking fun at the USSR; like the joke about Hitler not being all that bad because he killed loads of Nazi's and he shot Hitler.
Terthna
Professional Lurker
In this case though, he's not wrong to criticize AnimalNoodles. His black pill ramblings are getting bad enough that even LordsFire is pointing out that he's just shit-posting at this point.
I stopped engaging for a reason.
I had decided it was either shit posting, or lunatic ramblings, so I stepped away.
IDK what black pill means though lol. I know what red pilling is, and have heard this black pill thing thrown around a lot. Beats me what it actually means.
IIRC Blackpill is literally 'I have realised the truth, and there is no hope, fuck it all. Give up'.
I see. I can certainly empathize with that. I think I was there for a while, and now I'm constantly fighting off the nihilistic bullshit that wants to run my mind. (Welcome to 30+ years of depression lol)
So I can empathize. I don't agree, but I can see how one would get there.