EU Dutch Farmers Protest Megathread

TheRomanSlayer

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As a guy whose family owns a bit of land back home, I have a sense of sympathy for these farmers. I would imagine that we’d protest too if the Philippine government tried to do what the Dutch government just did. Revolution instantly.
 

Scottty

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Now it's only a question whether they get a buy-out offer, or the government just grinds them down into bankruptcy.

The honest dealing thing for the government people to do if they really want the land to build something, would be the buy-out option - pay the farmers generously for their land.

But when have the globalist elite ever been honouable? Or shown any regard for human rights?
 

Skallagrim

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“Hmm, perhaps not all hope was lost after all.” — Hitler as he observes from Hell, probably. :(
The future, as always, is much like the past. And our current period is one of constant self-deception, false peace and inflated wealth -- interspaced with violent bouts of unpleasantries (and in some cases outright horrors) as reality periodically catches up. Hitler was just another deformed product of modernity, and it is precisely because modernity offers no real hope that creatures like that burst forth from its murky depths.


More seriously, while I know you believe the Populists are set to become a “true Internationale”—or as close to that as realistically possible, at least—I wouldn’t be surprised to find ethnonationalist terrorist factions in the margins akin to Dirlewagner-esque SS units or European versions of the Khmer Rouge running around for a bit. Who knows, maybe some of them would try to obtain loose nukes in the chaos, given how they’d easily go missing in an all-out collapse into military anarchy. If nukes got lost when the USSR dissolved as peacefully as it did, then surely, that could happen here, too.
Obviously. If we look even now, in a time when most of the fake economy still exists and most people still enjoy their debt-financed "prosperity", we see that there is already some weird ideological extremism going on. Rampant cultism on all sides. The examples on the left require no elaboration, but consider also qAnon and a lot of the weirder conspiracy shit in general. Even the lionisation of Donald Trump by his followers occasionally veers into cultish idolatry. "God-Emperor", indeed. (Or rather: not.)

Now extrapolate such trends through a few more decades of ever-worsening conditions, and the outcme is clear. we're going to see some very, very extreme shit. Again: on all sides. I view the establishment as wholly without redeeming qualities, but the populist opposition movement will certainly become very extreme and (mass-)murderous before this is all over. Imagine the ideological heirs of Alex Jones and qAnon forming literal death squads, and you get the picture.


I honestly feel like the real estate thing is just a misdirection. The end goal is to turn the country from an exporter into an importer in the effort to centralize everything. The real estate bullshit is just an added bonus to the interested parties.
It's absolutely a bullshit attempt to spin all this. Premier Rutte is known for such trickery. His own policies have caused severe housing shortage in the Netherlands, which he's deliberately worsened by always putting all asylum seekers ahead of citizens on the (predictably collectivist) "waiting list" for public housing. (So Achmed from Syria gets an appartment for free, and right away, while a regular Dutchman can't get one and has to wait for eight years.)

Rutte now uses this self-made crisis to curry favour for his plan to steal the land from the farmers. "Look at all that land, we can then build houses there!" -- a bald-faced lie, but then this man is often likened to Pinocchio, so go figure...


its strange to see the populists groups from all over the western world linking up.
Strange? It makes perfect sense. This is ultimately (going to be) a world war, but not between countries. Between factions; the reigning elite and their complicit stooges on the one hand, and the insurgent masses (pushed ever closer to utter destitude) on the other. A world civil war, if you will.


The honest dealing thing for the government people to do if they really want the land to build something, would be the buy-out option - pay the farmers generously for their land.

But when have the globalist elite ever been honouable? Or shown any regard for human rights?
If they go for a buy-out, it'll be a pittance and it'll be collective and compulsive. That's how they roll.


Populists are going to be the new taboo word for dissidents.
That didn't work for the first optimates and I don't think it will work for ours either.
As ever, the names given to you by the enemy with derision become a badge of honour soon enough.

Whatever a Clinton finds deplorable, after all, can't be that bad. To name a recent example.

Or, to stay with the Dutch topic: those who respectfully sought for the Dutch autonomy to be respected by Spain were dismissed (in French) as "Gueux" -- beggars. The Dutch derivate, "Geus", still today means as much as "patriot".
 
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Arch Dornan

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That didn't work for the first optimates and I don't think it will work for ours either.
As ever, the names given to you by the enemy with derision become a badge of honour soon enough.

Whatever a Clinton finds deplorable, after all, can't be that bad. To name a recent example.

Or, to stay with the Dutch topic: those who respectfully sought for the Dutch autonomy to be respected by Spain were dismissed (in French) as "Gueux" -- beggars. The Dutch derivate, "Geus", still today means as much as "patriot".
Has there ever been a militant farmer? Usually I remember farmers getting their shit taken from them by the reigning government. I don't remember one that clung on and overthrew one.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
The Greeks and Romans. Most wars happened after the crop had been brought in. It's why Mars is the god of War and Agriculture.
What about more recent? Someone that objected to their farms getting taken they overthrew the government to hold on to it?
 
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Skallagrim

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Has there ever been a militant farmer? Usually I remember farmers getting their shit taken from them by the reigning government. I don't remember one that clung on and overthrew one.
That's not really the right question, although as others have noted, there have been examples. The point here isn't that the farmers are going to overthrow the government. The point is that the farmers (and fishermen) in the Netherlands are among the first-hit by a slew of terrible policies, but these effects will ultimately hit the great majority of the populace.

As we get closer to that point, dissent will grow ever broader and ever more intense. It is precisely the resulting broad popular movement of irate people that can and will overthrow the government.
 

PsihoKekec

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There were tons of peasant revolts through history, but usually they got crushed in the end, however most of the overthrows of the established order throughout history were done through co-opting the discontent of the peasant masses. Percentage of the farmers in the population today is minuscule compared to even hundred years ago though and I don't see any political force willing to co-opt the farmers to push out the current political elite.
 

Arch Dornan

Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
That's not really the right question, although as others have noted, there have been examples. The point here isn't that the farmers are going to overthrow the government. The point is that the farmers (and fishermen) in the Netherlands are among the first-hit by a slew of terrible policies, but these effects will ultimately hit the great majority of the populace.

As we get closer to that point, dissent will grow ever broader and ever more intense. It is precisely the resulting broad popular movement of irate people that can and will overthrow the government.
They're going to get more involved if more governments follow the principle of the great reset. Any farmers will be in their way to stop that.
 

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