Economic Fallout: Pandemic, Brandon, Money Printer Go Brr, Ukraine.

I'm not really involved in this fight, but, well....

With both Australia and the US, we we stupid enough to end up totally dependant on China.


I think that's worse than Russia.
You ozzies are still better off because your currency is not the reserve currency of the world, and you will probably be able to find an export market in Asia.
The USA still has lots of resources, but if their reserve status and the petrodollar go poof, well, it is gonna be ugly for years.
I do not think you are nearly as indebted, btw.
 
I frankly don't give a damn what type of pre-Columbian tribe that moron thinks he comes from, and it is hilarious that his avatar was that of the US President who had the most nasty stuff to say about hyphenated Americans, fun irony.
My problem with him is that he is a moron, and it is morons like him and like a certain Pole on here that make up some of the fleas, that make the whole tail wag the dog.
Of course, they are useful idiots for other, richer and more influential people, but a bit of real grass roots is good to fill the spaces between the slabs of astroturf.
You done white knighting?
Are you going to contribute something to the thread that is, you know, related to the actual subject, or are you just gonna ree like a little brat and feel butthurt by proxy?
:ROFLMAO:

The best part of this, is that I don't really have to say anything - you dig your own hole deeper all on your own.

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Think I'll save this quote for possible future reference.
 
I'm not really involved in this fight, but, well....

With both Australia and the US, we we stupid enough to end up totally dependant on China.


I think that's worse than Russia.
Yes, we aren't perfect, but thanks to Trump, we actually started reshoring shit and undoing the idiocy that moved a lot of our shit to China.

However, the Eastern Euro's who wanted to play both sides and leave themselves dependent on Moscow had the option to swtich suppliers to the US or other powers besides Russia, and didn't.

They got no one to blame but themselves for getting fucked by Russia going full retard.
 
Yes, we aren't perfect, but thanks to Trump, we actually started reshoring shit and undoing the idiocy that moved a lot of our shit to China.

However, the Eastern Euro's who wanted to play both sides and leave themselves dependent on Moscow had the option to swtich suppliers to the US or other powers besides Russia, and didn't.

They got no one to blame but themselves for getting fucked by Russia going full retard.
It is the whole of Europe, not just Eastern Europe!
Even if we in Eastern Europe had alternate supplies they would be more expensive, and the whole EU economy would have a problem.
Germany is known as the "Engine of Europe" for a fucking reason.
And what would we do if we did become dependent to US shale oil and you geniuses elect another Brandon, or decide that Eastern Europe doesn't have enough pride parades, eh?
 
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It is the whole of Europe, not just Eastern Europe!
I didn't and don't see France, Spain, or Italy trying to play the same games you Bulgarians wanted to play. As well, Poland wasn't stupid and decided to ask the US for civie nuke tech, to help get out from under Russia's thumb, while places like Greece stuck deals with places like Israel. The Baltics already knew the danger of depending on Russia, and have elminated any dependence on Russia that they could.

Face it, there were options besides Russia, and the smarter Euro's did start looking for ways to remove any dependence they had on Russia. But you fools thought that there was no way things could go sideways enough you'd be forced to stop playing both sides; unfortunately, Putin went full retard on you and now you reap what you sow.

So cope and seethe harder, because this is a situation you all could have avoided, and have no one to blame but yourselves.
 
I didn't and don't see France, Spain, or Italy trying to play the same games you Bulgarians wanted to play. As well, Poland wasn't stupid and decided to ask the US for civie nuke tech, to help get out from under Russia's thumb, while places like Greece stuck deals with places like Israel. The Baltics already knew the danger of Dependening on Russia, and have elminated any dependence on Russia that they could.

Face it, there were options besides Russia, and the smarter Euro's did start looking for ways to remove any dependence they had on Russia. But you fools thought that there was no way things could go sideways enough you'd be forced to stop playing both sides; unfortunately, Putin went full retard on you and now you reap what you sow.

So cope and seethe harder, because this is a situation you all could have avoided, and have no one to blame but yourselves.
1)I addressed the "Putin went full retard" bit earlier, and I have addressed it over and over before, dude.
2) Oh, really, if all the smart Euros found alternate sources, then why is the price of gasolene skyrocketing all over the world?

Face it, shale and alternate produces have their limits.

Also, we like the Russians because they liberated us from the Turks.

Why didn't you sanction Saudi Arabia for the massacre they are doing in Yemen, btw?


Why don't you freeze all of China's trade because of the Uigurs?

Oh, yeah, right, you can't.

Oh, and by the way, you might have noticed this, but I am a huge supporter of nuclear power and coal, both of which we have.
 
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1)I addressed the "Putin went full retard" bit earlier, and I have addressed it over and over before, dude.
2) Oh, really, if all the smart Euros found alternate sources, then why is the price of gasolene skyrocketing all over the world?

Face it, shale and alternate produces have their limits.

Also, we like the Russians because they liberated us from the Turks.

Why didn't you sanction Saudi Arabia for the massacre they are doing in Yemen, btw?


Why don't you freeze all of China's trade because of the Uigurs?

Oh, yeah, right, you can't.
Yes, we cannot freeze China's trade over the Uighers, even if we should; we have however been reshoring industry at an increasing rate. And I've been vocal that the House of Saud is a blight on humanity, but that doesn't change that this is happening because Putin decided to go full retard.

Also, gas prices are up while the actual price of oil is going down, because petro-chem companies are trying to recoup losses suffered because of the Iran Deal and Wu Flu. They are blaming it on Russia, but that's the greed of their own companies keeping gas prices up while the price of oil drops.

You can keep trying to deflect and deny Russia's/Putin's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Ukraine, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

But keep up with the shilling for Russia/Putin, it makes it much easier to not take you seriously and just brings a smug smile to a bunch of people's faces.
 
Yes, we cannot freeze China's trade over the Uighers, even if we should; we have however been reshoring industry at an increasing rate. And I've been vocal that the House of Saud is a blight on humanity, but that doesn't change that this is happening because Putin decided to go full retard.
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Oh, really, don't see much of a persistent dip, tbh.
Do you?
Also, here is a news flash for you, it is not just the exports to the USA, your companies build stuff there and sell it to the whole world.


Also, gas prices are up while the actual price of oil is going down, because petro-chem companies are trying to recoup losses suffered because of the Iran Deal and Wu Flu. They are blaming it on Russia, but that's the greed of their own companies keeping gas prices up while the price of oil drops.
Corporate greed, got it.
Care to share anything else Psaki says?

You can keep trying to deflect and deny Russia's/Putin's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Ukraine, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.
You can keep trying to deflect and deny USA's/Bush's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Iraq, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

You can keep trying to deflect and deny USA's/LBJ's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Vietnam, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

You can keep trying to deflect and deny USA's/James K. Polk's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Mexico, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.


Need I go on, glass houses and stones!


But keep up with the shilling for Russia/Putin, it makes it much easier to not take you seriously and just brings a smug smile to a bunch of people's faces.
Oh, I don't know, despite the Media and the neocuck' best efforts a lot of people are waking up, as well as a lot of posters on here.
But you do you.
 
Yes, we cannot freeze China's trade over the Uighers, even if we should; we have however been reshoring industry at an increasing rate. And I've been vocal that the House of Saud is a blight on humanity, but that doesn't change that this is happening because Putin decided to go full retard.

Also, gas prices are up while the actual price of oil is going down, because petro-chem companies are trying to recoup losses suffered because of the Iran Deal and Wu Flu. They are blaming it on Russia, but that's the greed of their own companies keeping gas prices up while the price of oil drops.

You can keep trying to deflect and deny Russia's/Putin's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Ukraine, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

But keep up with the shilling for Russia/Putin, it makes it much easier to not take you seriously and just brings a smug smile to a bunch of people's faces.
While I will grant you that Putin carries some of the blame, it's not for the reasons you espouse. He did have to invade Ukraine; that was set in stone the moment the Maidan coup (which was backed by America and Europe; so if anyone hold the lion's share of the blame, it's them) took control of western Ukraine. Putin should have invaded as soon as possible, and tried to restore the legitimately elected government of Ukraine. He didn't, partly because he still feared what America might do if he pushed too far, and instead decided to settle for rescuing Crimea and backing the rebels in Donbass. That was a mistake; one he is currently paying for.
 
You can keep trying to deflect and deny Russia's/Putin's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Ukraine, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

But keep up with the shilling for Russia/Putin, it makes it much easier to not take you seriously and just brings a smug smile to a bunch of people's faces.

You do realise that there are other factors, don't you?

Putin's a 3rd World dictator, and more than a bit of a monster, but he didn't randomly invade everybody on a daily basis. The simple fact is there's factors from the West, from both the US and Europe, that pushed to make this happen.

I'm not saying that the US caused this. I am saying that they contributed.


Given what happens to pretty much every dictator who bends to the US, I can see why Putin's desperate enough to do this. Push a monster hard enough, and it's do insane things. That's why some of us are looking at the potential of WW3, and/or a atomic war, and people who can't see the desperation leading to such decisions? You're not helping.




And none of what we've been talking about includes the connections between the Biden crime family and Ukrainian companies.
 
While I will grant you that Putin carries some of the blame, it's not for the reasons you espouse. He did have to invade Ukraine; that was set in stone the moment the Maidan coup (which was backed by America and Europe; so if anyone hold the lion's share of the blame, it's them) took control of western Ukraine. Putin should have invaded as soon as possible, and tried to restore the legitimately elected government of Ukraine. He didn't, partly because he still feared what America might do if he pushed too far, and instead decided to settle for rescuing Crimea and backing the rebels in Donbass. That was a mistake; one he is currently paying for.
Russia was not ready for a war and for sanctions of this magnitude back then.
Their banking system was far more reliant on the West, they lacked the deals with and pipelines to China, they were a net importer of food, they were far more reliant on western tech, and they did not have Kazakhstan and Belarus back in their orbit.
 
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Oh, really, don't see much of a persistent dip, tbh.
Do you?
Also, here is a news flash for you, it is not just the exports to the USA, your companies build stuff there and sell it to the whole world.



Corporate greed, got it.
Care to share anything else Psaki says?


You can keep trying to deflect and deny USA's/Bush's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Iraq, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

You can keep trying to deflect and deny USA's/LBJ's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Vietnam, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.

You can keep trying to deflect and deny USA's/James K. Polk's responsibility in this mess, but he didn't have to invade Mexico, and no amount of deflection or cope will change that.


Need I go on, glass houses and stones!



Oh, I don't know, despite the Media and the neocuck' best efforts a lot of people are waking up, as well as a lot of posters on here.
But you do you.
It's hilarious you try to pretend I am just echo'ing the Biden Admins lines, when you know damn well I've call all their shit out too.

I was on SB when the shit happened in 2014, I was on their when the rebels shotdown that Malaysian airliner because they were reckless assholes, I was there when Russian tanks first moved into the Donbass and took Crimea. Russia is not innocent in this, and the West did not enact a war of aggression to seize territory in an imperial like manner, and Russia did invade Georgia when it tried for NATO membership.

I will call out the West's screw ups, but that does not mean I feel they are 'more guilty' here than Putin.

It was not the West who turned the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone into a war zone. Putin is spitting on the graves of everyone who died to contain/mitigate that disaster by waging war anywhere near it or putting troops in it/through it.

It was not the West who decided that he could not allow Ukraine to challenge Russia's purse when the oil reserves were found off Crimea and in the Donbass.

It was not the West who decided they also want to take the Baltics and probably part of the Balkan's as well.

It was not the West who could not accept that the USSR is dead and that the second Putin attacks NATO soil is the second all of the agreements go out the window and nukes start getting armed and lobbed at Russian forces.

Ukraine is not NATO and shouldn't be in NATO, but Putin's action have just justified NATO existence like nothing else could.
While I will grant you that Putin carries some of the blame, it's not for the reasons you espouse. He did have to invade Ukraine; that was set in stone the moment the Maidan coup (which was backed by America and Europe; so if anyone hold the lion's share of the blame, it's them) took control of western Ukraine. Putin should have invaded as soon as possible, and tried to restore the legitimately elected government of Ukraine. He didn't, partly because he still feared what America might do if he pushed too far, and instead decided to settle for rescuing Crimea and backing the rebels in Donbass. That was a mistake; one he is currently paying for.
You do realise that there are other factors, don't you?

Putin's a 3rd World dictator, and more than a bit of a monster, but he didn't randomly invade everybody on a daily basis. The simple fact is there's factors from the West, from both the US and Europe, that pushed to make this happen.

I'm not saying that the US caused this. I am saying that they contributed.


Given what happens to pretty much every dictator who bends to the US, I can see why Putin's desperate enough to do this. Push a monster hard enough, and it's do insane things. That's why some of us are looking at the potential of WW3, and/or a atomic war, and people who can't see the desperation leading to such decisions? You're not helping.




And none of what we've been talking about includes the connections between the Biden crime family and Ukrainian companies.
Did you forget what his pet rebels did to that Malaysian airliner; they might have had some moral ground to stand on before that. Nothing that happened in the Maidan, which you know I understand we are not innocent in, excuses that.

After that, with the way Russia blocked any justice for that, it became clear who the bad huys were, even if I had sympathy for the fact that the Donbass region was part of Russia for a long time.

I'm aware of the intricacies; I just happen to not be willing to excuse what Putin has done here just because of what happened in the Maidan. I am also aware of the Biden's ties to Ukraine, and frankly wish we had a DoJ that would have done something about that; doesn't change who sent tanks into another country.

If Putin had limited his action to just putting forces in the LPR/DPR to make 'independent', instead of moving on Kiev, Mairupol, and Odessa, maybe I would have accepted that the Biden Admin and such were overreacting to the situation.

But that's not what happened, is it?

No matter how fucked up what the West has done in Ukraine since Obama, none of it justifies Putin's actions once the tanks crossed into Chernobyl and missiles started raining on Kharkiv.
 
No matter how fucked up what the West has done in Ukraine since Obama, none of it justifies Putin's actions once the tanks crossed into Chernobyl and missiles started raining on Kharkiv.

While I'm not sure I agree with that, I can certainly say that's a reasonable position.


Although, given the other confilcts Russia's gotten into, I'm starting to think the reason why we've paid so much attention to this one is the Biden links.



Getting back to the point of the thread...

It is economically deeply stupid, to treat somebody as an enemy, and yet be quite dependant on them, but that's how all our govenments are.
 
It's hilarious you try to pretend I am just echo'ing the Biden Admins lines, when you know damn well I've call all their shit out too.

I was on SB when the shit happened in 2014, I was on their when the rebels shotdown that Malaysian airliner because they were reckless assholes, I was there when Russian tanks first moved into the Donbass and took Crimea. Russia is not innocent in this, and the West did not enact a war of aggression to seize territory in an imperial like manner, and Russia did invade Georgia when it tried for NATO membership.

I will call out the West's screw ups, but that does not mean I feel they are 'more guilty' here than Putin.

It was not the West who turned the Chernobyl Exclusion Zone into a war zone. Putin is spitting on the graves of everyone who died to contain/mitigate that disaster by waging war anywhere near it or putting troops in it/through it.

It was not the West who decided that he could not allow Ukraine to challenge Russia's purse when the oil reserves were found off Crimea and in the Donbass.

It was not the West who decided they also want to take the Baltics and probably part of the Balkan's as well.

It was not the West who could not accept that the USSR is dead and that the second Putin attacks NATO soil is the second all of the agreements go out the window and nukes start getting armed and lobbed at Russian forces.

Ukraine is not NATO and shouldn't be in NATO, but Putin's action have just justified NATO existence like nothing else could.

Did you forget what his pet rebels did to that Malaysian airliner; they might have had some moral ground to stand on before that. Nothing that happened in the Maidan, which you know I understand we are not innocent in, excuses that.

After that, with the way Russia blocked any justice for that, it became clear who the bad huys were, even if I had sympathy for the fact that the Donbass region was part of Russia for a long time.

I'm aware of the intricacies; I just happen to not be willing to excuse what Putin has done here just because of what happened in the Maidan. I am also aware of the Biden's ties to Ukraine, and frankly wish we had a DoJ that would have done something about that; doesn't change who sent tanks into another country.

If Putin had limited his action to just putting forces in the LPR/DPR to make 'independent', instead of moving on Kiev, Mairupol, and Odessa, maybe I would have accepted that the Biden Admin and such were overreacting to the situation.

But that's not what happened, is it?

No matter how fucked up what the West has done in Ukraine since Obama, none of it justifies Putin's actions once the tanks crossed into Chernobyl and missiles started raining on Kharkiv.
Yeah, no, go watch Oliver Stone's Ukraine on Fire movie.
 
Russia was not ready for a war and for sanctions of this magnitude back then.
Their banking system was far more reliant on the West, they lacked the deals with and pipelines to China, they were a net importer of food, they were far more reliant on western tech, and they did not have Kazakhstan and Belarus back in their orbit.
That's because there was still a significant number of people in Russia who mistakenly believed that peaceful co-existence with the west was a possibility; when our leaders here in the west never stopped thinking of them as the enemy, and were just waiting for opportunities to diminish Russia's capacity to threaten them.



Did you forget what his pet rebels did to that Malaysian airliner; they might have had some moral ground to stand on before that. Nothing that happened in the Maidan, which you know I understand we are not innocent in, excuses that.

After that, with the way Russia blocked any justice for that, it became clear who the bad huys were, even if I had sympathy for the fact that the Donbass region was part of Russia for a long time.

I'm aware of the intricacies; I just happen to not be willing to excuse what Putin has done here just because of what happened in the Maidan. I am also aware of the Biden's ties to Ukraine, and frankly wish we had a DoJ that would have done something about that; doesn't change who sent tanks into another country.

If Putin had limited his action to just putting forces in the LPR/DPR to make 'independent', instead of moving on Kiev, Mairupol, and Odessa, maybe I would have accepted that the Biden Admin and such were overreacting to the situation.

But that's not what happened, is it?

No matter how fucked up what the West has done in Ukraine since Obama, none of it justifies Putin's actions once the tanks crossed into Chernobyl and missiles started raining on Kharkiv.
That Malaysian airliner was flying over a warzone when it got shot down; I'm not saying that absolves the Donbass rebels and Russia of blame, but I am saying that it made the situation far less black and white than you're presenting it as.
 
That's because there was still a significant number of people in Russia who mistakenly believed that peaceful co-existence with the west was a possibility.
Yeah, well, the mass Russian Redpilling event aka the Western Tiwtter Spergout of 2022 just happened, IMHO it is safe to say that most people in Russia now see the west as their enemy.

Putin should thank the Poles, Balts, British, the Neocucks, the Democratic Party, and Reddit and Twitter for his next re-election, which will probably happen with 80% of all votes cast for him.
 
Yeah, well, the mass Russian Redpilling event aka the Western Tiwtter Spergout of 2022 just happened, IMHO it is safe to say that most people in Russia now see the west as their enemy.
There's a bit of irony to all this; because once upon a time, our leaders hated the Soviet Union because they were Communists. Now they hate Russia because they're not Communists, and all because the Soviet Union's attempt to infect America with their ideology succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
 
There's a bit of irony to all this; because once upon a time, our leaders hated the Soviet Union because they were Communists. Now they hate Russia because they're not Communists, and all because the Soviet Union's attempt to infect America with their ideology succeeded beyond their wildest dreams.
Actually they are not communists because once living under communism and seeing its shitty aftereffects you get inoculated.
Murika always had a problem with messianic megalomania, IMHO, go check out James Burnham's Suicide of the West.
As well as what eventually happened to the Progressive "revolutionaries" of the early 20th century(Robert Caro's The Power Broker is a good example of stuff covering the mindset of those people.)
 
Actually they are not communists because once living under communism and seeing its shitty aftereffects you get inoculated.
Murika always had a problem with messianic megalomania, IMHO, go check out James Burnham's Suicide of the West.
As well as what eventually happened to the Progressive "revolutionaries" of the early 20th century(Robert Caro's The Power Broker is a good example of stuff covering the mindset of those people.)
Well, hopefully after we've been inoculated we can finally set aside all that animosity, and be friends with Russia. Assuming it doesn't all end in nuclear hellfire before that, or course.
 
Actually they are not communists because once living under communism and seeing its shitty aftereffects you get inoculated.
And yet the Duma is apparently filled with communists. Not to mention those Russian military vehicles running around in Ukraine right now flying the Soviet flag.

That Malaysian airliner was flying over a warzone when it got shot down; I'm not saying that absolves the Donbass rebels and Russia of blame, but I am saying that it made the situation far less black and white than you're presenting it as.
I'm honestly pretty taken aback that you actually said something like this. You... You victim-blamed an airliner for getting shot down while traveling in its normal air corridor. Even if it wasn't, the best anyone can really do is make excuses for the people shooting it down mistaking it for something else, like that American ship that shot down an Iranian airliner. Even if the plane was off course, it's not like that kind of thing has never happened before. Incidentally, the times it did before involved paranoid communists shooting them down, and people back then were still righteously pissed at the communists shooting it down, and only the communists were making excuses about the planes being where they shouldn't have been.
 

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