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[Bacle]

America was still a Christian nation when MLK was leading marches.

It isn't now.

Don't expect the tactics that work in a culture that worships Love and Grace, to work in a culture that worships power and debauchery.

MLK's success had little to nothing to do with the US being a 'Christian nation', and a lot to do with embracing non-violent civil disobedience and making it so the people attacking him looked worse than his followers.

Civil disobedience can and does still work in the US not because of any religion, but because of how it realtiies to our founding and foundational mythos; Boston Tea Party was civil disobedience against the Brits and is a huge part of our founding mythos for a good reason.

 

[Doomsought]

MLK's success had little to nothing to do with the US being a 'Christian nation', and a lot to do with embracing non-violent civil disobedience and making it so the people attacking him looked worse than his followers.

No, passive aggression relies entirely upon using people's morals agaisnt them. It will not work agianst people with no morals. We have already seen how they deal with civil disobediance during the Janurary 6th protest: fals lfag attacks and criminalizing some skape goats to paint the whole movement as evil.

 

[LordsFire]

MLK's success had little to nothing to do with the US being a 'Christian nation', and a lot to do with embracing non-violent civil disobedience and making it so the people attacking him looked worse than his followers.

Civil disobedience can and does still work in the US not because of any religion, but because of how it realtiies to our founding and foundational mythos; Boston Tea Party was civil disobedience against the Brits and is a huge part of our founding mythos for a good reason.

'X has nothing to do with Christianity, just the foundational mythos that was built on Christian philosophy and ethics.'

 

[Robovski]

Non-violence worked in India because it was against the British. When the people you are trying to oppose don't care if you die then non-violence loses it's ability to make change.

 

[Morphic Tide]

'X has nothing to do with Christianity, just the foundational mythos that was built on Christian philosophy and ethics.'

By that standard, the enthusiastic pederasty of antiquity is of immense relevance to "peak" Christianity. Claiming that good things are exclusive to your position because they happen to have been sourced from it is still a form of the Genetic Fallacy.

Edit for a bit of clarity: The connection between Christianity and pederasty is that a lot of the Ancient Greek philosophy that became foundational to "Christian" ethics came from ardent supporters of sexualized student-teacher relationships.

The ethical system may come from Christianity, but by MLK's time the ethics and religion had already become visibly divorced because church was just part of the public moral consensus rather than the centralized arbiter like the Papists demand.

 

[Bacle]

No, passive aggression relies entirely upon using people's morals agaisnt them. It will not work agianst people with no morals. We have already seen how they deal with civil disobediance during the Janurary 6th protest: fals lfag attacks and criminalizing some skape goats to paint the whole movement as evil.

...this misunderstands how the Left views itself, and misunderstands why MLK's tactics can work on the ones who aren't proudly Marxists.

Use nothing more than factual history it is possible to completely gut the Left's narratives, if this is done with MLK like tactics against discrimination and abuse of non-Marxist political views, mixed with good helping of current events based renewed dislike for anything Russian.

The worst of the Left's ideology these days is mostly the result of long term Soviet psy-ops and abiding leftist enablers in DC, most of us here know this already, and this is the message that must be shout out along with the civil disobedience when the Right is discriminated against.

Use the real and existing ties between the Left and Russian/Soviet psy-ops in western academia, along with the stuff that came out after the Wall fell from ex-KGB guys about this subject and teh existing ties to the CCP to destroy the Marxist left using nationalist fervor, backed up by MLK-like disobedience against any Marxist laws or decrees from the Far-Left or their leaders.

The Left count on people not knowing about progressivisms ties to Soviet psy-ops to get away with a lot of the shit they do; time for that to change. Only when the population at large is aware of this and it's implications will the Left truly start lossing ground, because tying the Left to Soviet psy-ops and Russia/Putin can absolutely help destroy teh modern Left in ways it cannot dodge easily.

'X has nothing to do with Christianity, just the foundational mythos that was built on Christian philosophy and ethics.'

The ethics Christianity claims to be the source of are older than it, like by thousands of years in most cases. It's reskinned them and adopted them as their own, but many 'Christain' morals are older and more widespread then the Judaeo-Christian groups themselves.

Christianity didn't really do anything new ethics wise, it just added a martyr/prophet story as the 'capstone'. The ethics it sprouted from within the Jewish people are sourced even older than that to Hammurabi and his peer and forebearers, along with a not insignificant Greek and Egyptian influence. And there's questions of the Phoenicians and Mycenaeans, and their forebearers. Of Ur's forebearers.

Almost all of the morals and ethics Christians often believe originate from their culture or the Jewish culture are older than those cultures, and not unique to the Judaeo-Christian groups.

Take Sikhs, Hindu's, Shinto's, Buddhists, even Druids or Druze; are they without morals, and not part of the equation because America is a 'Christian nation'?

This is where the idea that MLK only succeeded because the US is a 'Christian nation' fails; it discounts the morals and world views of every other person in the US who supported the Civil Rights movement and yet was not part of the Judaeo-Christian family of faiths.

 

[Cherico]

...this misunderstands how the Left views itself, and misunderstands why MLK's tactics can work on the ones who aren't proudly Marxists.

Use nothing more than factual history it is possible to completely gut the Left's narratives, if this is done with MLK like tactics against discrimination and abuse of non-Marxist political views, mixed with good helping of current events based renewed dislike for anything Russian.

The worst of the Left's ideology these days is mostly the result of long term Soviet psy-ops and abiding leftist enablers in DC, most of us here know this already, and this is the message that must be shout out along with the civil disobedience when the Right is discriminated against.

Use the real and existing ties between the Left and Russian/Soviet psy-ops in western academia, along with the stuff that came out after the Wall fell from ex-KGB guys about this subject and teh existing ties to the CCP to destroy the Marxist left using nationalist fervor, backed up by MLK-like disobedience against any Marxist laws or decrees from the Far-Left or their leaders.

The Left count on people not knowing about progressivisms ties to Soviet psy-ops to get away with a lot of the shit they do; time for that to change. Only when the population at large is aware of this and it's implications will the Left truly start lossing ground, because tying the Left to Soviet psy-ops and Russia/Putin can absolutely help destroy teh modern Left in ways it cannot dodge easily.
The ethics Christianity claims to be the source of are older than it, like by thousands of years in most cases. It's reskinned them and adopted them as their own, but many 'Christain' morals are older and more widespread then the Judaeo-Christian groups themselves.

Christianity didn't really do anything new ethics wise, it just added a martyr/prophet story as the 'capstone'. The ethics it sprouted from within the Jewish people are sourced even older than that to Hammurabi and his peer and forebearers, along with a not insignificant Greek and Egyptian influence. And there's questions of the Phoenicians and Mycenaeans, and their forebearers. Of Ur's forebearers.

Almost all of the morals and ethics Christians often believe originate from their culture or the Jewish culture are older than those cultures, and not unique to the Judaeo-Christian groups.

Take Sikhs, Hindu's, Shinto's, Buddhists, even Druids or Druze; are they without morals, and not part of the equation because America is a 'Christian nation'?

This is where the idea that MLK only succeeded because the US is a 'Christian nation' fails; it discounts the morals and world views of every other person in the US who supported the Civil Rights movement and yet was not part of the Judaeo-Christian family of faiths.

The Sikhs, Hindus, Shinto buddists and Druize are all relgions and have their own moral systems.

The argument is not that christianity is the only moral force its that religion is a moral force and its forcible removal from western society was ultimently bad for it. because it led to a power vacume that has been filled by utterly evil and debased people.

 

[Zachowon]

Civil disobedience doesn't get anywhere these days and gets people arrested

 

[LordSunhawk]

I believe that this is relevant

Using Your University’s DEI Office: A Call to Action for Conservative Students and Faculty — Minding The Campus

In my sixth year as a professor—the same year that Barack Obama’s Department of Justice reshaped Title IX into a tool to police political speech on campus—a student filed a Title IX complaint about me. He claimed that the B+ he had received in my class was a result of my “homophobia.” His...

www.mindingthecampus.org

 

[Cherico]

I believe that this is relevant

Using Your University’s DEI Office: A Call to Action for Conservative Students and Faculty — Minding The Campus

In my sixth year as a professor—the same year that Barack Obama’s Department of Justice reshaped Title IX into a tool to police political speech on campus—a student filed a Title IX complaint about me. He claimed that the B+ he had received in my class was a result of my “homophobia.” His...

www.mindingthecampus.org

always remember the law of political retaliation any weapon you use against some one can in turn be used against you. Since the left started it its only fair to use their own weapons against them en mass.

 

[Bacle]

Civil disobedience doesn't get anywhere these days and gets people arrested

It 'doesn't work' because of fuckhead like Ray Epps and all the other IC/glowie folk who make it their job to disrupt and discredit any movement that hurts their bosses domestic status quo.

But then again, after how the FBI and DoJ treated MLK and the Civil Rights movement, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

 

[JagerIV]

Civil disobedience is a tried and true tactic to get rid of dumb or abusive laws, as was soon during the Civil Rights Era.

The GOP and Right need to look at how MLK won, even if he didn't live to see it, and realize trying to arm up and prep for a 'Boogaloo' is less useful than mass non-compliance with farcical and abusive laws.

Have the supreme court on side, declare your opponents unconstitutional, and bring the full force of the Federal government against the poorest fringe of the internal empire? We need to keep in mind that almost all of MLK's career was the victory lap of the powerful and mainstream over the weak and marginalized fringe.

The US military deployed to a high school, a traditional symbol of civil disobedience, Little Rock 1957.

This was of course caused by the Supreme court declaring more or less segregation illegal in the 1954 with Brown vs Board of Education, which asserted that the majority opinion was Mandatory:

Here we can see how the richest 50% of the country boldly stood up to the oppression and tyranny of the poorest 25% and said "no more! You will conform to our standards or else!"

More classic civil disobedience. Thus, by 1954 it was pretty clear which way power wanted to go, and the choice was get with the program or eventually get crushed. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which was what MLK did a lot of his famous activities through, was founded in 1957, 3 years after the death blow.

MLK was the powerful mopping up a defeated, poor, marginalized enemy to make sure they couldn't come back. Or at least use Alabamians behaving badly to impose busing and destroy working class Irish neighborhoods.

The Southern Racists also tried civil disobedience, such as taking their kids out of schools, shutting them down, and a great many other things. Whatever you call the KKK, civil obedience doesn't seem like a good description. Shocking, civil disobedience not supported by the courts, military, and the rich and powerful in general was not particularly successful.

Maybe there's some schools in Mississippi that stayed out of the eye of Sauron and were not forcibly integrated. That's about the extent of success of civil disobedience without government support however: maybe you don't get cracked down on today, because the powers that be have bigger fish to fry.

 

[Jormungandr]

Enough with this CIA agent morality.
"Hurr we should rape children because an eye for an eye."
That's what you said. That's what you know they're doing, and that's what you have roundabout sanctioned. The goal is not to be the Beast 665 and 5/6. The goal is not to go to the next highest level of Hell. The goal is not to be narrowly better than the worst people you know.
The goal is to live a good life even with everything that the world has presented to you.
Nothing else matters if you intentionally demolish your moral compass out of spite. There is nothing between Good and Evil, and you're choosing the latter, you are allowing evil people to make your moral decisions for you. You are listening to their shoulder devils, and it will not sweeten the damnation that awaits.

And this attitude leads to two things:

1) your "righteous" dead body being walked over by those who killed you and 2) your children being indoctrinated into their batshit Leftoid cult.

Having such a moral compass and a "turn the other cheek" mentality means nothing if it'll get you killed, your life destroyed, and your loved ones, especially your children, brainwashed.

No, you shouldn't be an asshole like the other side, but this diehard Christian "turn the other cheek" mentality is, frankly, fucking stupid in this day and age and will simply result in everything bad happening to you.

It. Doesn't. Work. Not with these people. They don't care if you'd end up bleeding and dying in a gutter or ditch. You're the enemy.

But, hey, you can always have "my moral compass was flawless until the end... when they bike-locked me in the head" on your tombstone.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Enough with this CIA agent morality.
"Hurr we should rape children because an eye for an eye."
That's what you said. That's what you know they're doing, and that's what you have roundabout sanctioned. The goal is not to be the Beast 665 and 5/6. The goal is not to go to the next highest level of Hell. The goal is not to be narrowly better than the worst people you know.
The goal is to live a good life even with everything that the world has presented to you.
Nothing else matters if you intentionally demolish your moral compass out of spite. There is nothing between Good and Evil, and you're choosing the latter, you are allowing evil people to make your moral decisions for you. You are listening to their shoulder devils, and it will not sweeten the damnation that awaits.

In this specific case, I'm going to agree with @Cherico. Using a University's DEI office in this way is EXACTLY what that office was built for...at least according to their public reasoning.

I think you're blowing this tactic way out of proportion @King Kravoka.

 

[Zachowon]

It 'doesn't work' because of fuckhead like Ray Epps and all the other IC/glowie folk who make it their job to disrupt and discredit any movement that hurts their bosses domestic status quo.

But then again, after how the FBI and DoJ treated MLK and the Civil Rights movement, I guess it shouldn't be a surprise.

Use your second amendment then.
But civil disobedience only works if you have support.

And if the government wants something done civil disobedience will only get you walked over.

Ask the Governor of Arkansas when Ike was president

 

[Abhorsen]

Here we can see how the richest 50% of the country boldly stood up to the oppression and tyranny of the poorest 25% and said "no more! You will conform to our standards or else!"

More classic civil disobedience. Thus, by 1954 it was pretty clear which way power wanted to go, and the choice was get with the program or eventually get crushed. The Southern Christian Leadership Conference, which was what MLK did a lot of his famous activities through, was founded in 1957, 3 years after the death blow.

MLK was the powerful mopping up a defeated, poor, marginalized enemy to make sure they couldn't come back. Or at least use Alabamians behaving badly to impose busing and destroy working class Irish neighborhoods.

The Southern Racists also tried civil disobedience, such as taking their kids out of schools, shutting them down, and a great many other things. Whatever you call the KKK, civil obedience doesn't seem like a good description. Shocking, civil disobedience not supported by the courts, military, and the rich and powerful in general was not particularly successful.

Maybe there's some schools in Mississippi that stayed out of the eye of Sauron and were not forcibly integrated. That's about the extent of success of civil disobedience without government support however: maybe you don't get cracked down on today, because the powers that be have bigger fish to fry.

None of the people you cite actually gave much of a shit until the civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is how they got that majority to actually give a shit about stuff. Civil disobedience is designed to shock an existing silent minority into action. It worked here. It worked in India.

 

[Zachowon]

None of the people you cite actually gave much of a shit until the civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is how they got that majority to actually give a shit about stuff. Civil disobedience is designed to shock an existing silent minority into action. It worked here. It worked in India.

Isn't the hope of a silent minority or even silent majority existing to help change things for the better something that has been relied upon by the right only for it to never show up?

 

[Bacle]

Use your second amendment then.

Nah, no thanks.

Though nice attempt to push people to violent solutions that would make it all that much easier for your glowie friends to entrap and charge them for something.

So long as the powers that be control the nuke codes, the 2nd Amendment isn't going to be useful for creating the needed social change.

However, MLK-like activities and civil disobedience, done with a strong effort to root out and marginalize any potential glowie/IC/LEO infiltrators, and done concert with tying the Left to Soviet/Russian psy-ops to turn the anti-Russia fervor against the Marxists in academia and DC, can absolutely succeed at marginalizing the Left in this nation and finally rooting out the commies McCarthy warned us about decades ago.

Isn't the hope of a silent minority or even silent majority existing to help change things for the better something that has been relied upon by the right only for it to never show up?

The Right has never attempted MLK like civil disobedience, instead of trying stupid militia shit or thinking that WASPy church rhetoric actually resonates with the the masses anymore.

Look at how many on the Right go on and on about wanting to re-enact or compare the fight to Valley Forge, or other battles against the Brits, and prepping for the 'Boogaloo', instead of looking at what has actually been proven to work in American domestic politics (and not combat operations).

Too many on the Right want to be the next George Washington, instead of realizing what the Right needs to fight the current social battle is to take pages out of MLK, Ghandi, and if need be, Malcolm X.

 

[Zachowon]

Nah, no thanks.

Though nice attempt to push people to violent solutions that would make it all that much easier for your glowie friends to entrap and charge them for something.

So long as the powers that be control the nuke codes, the 2nd Amendment isn't going to be useful for creating the needed social change.

However, MLK-like activities and civil disobedience, done with a strong effort to root out and marginalize any potential glowie/IC/LEO infiltrators, and done concert with tying the Left to Soviet/Russian psy-ops to turn the anti-Russia fervor against the Marxists in academia and DC, can absolutely succeed at marginalizing the Left in this nation and finally rooting out the commies McCarthy warned us about decades ago.

The Right has never attempted MLK like civil disobedience, instead of trying stupid militia shit or thinking that WASPy church rhetoric actually resonates with the the masses anymore.

Look at how many on the Right go on and on about wanting to re-enact or compare the fight to Valley Forge, or other battles against the Brits, and prepping for the 'Boogaloo', instead of looking at what has actually been proven to work in American domestic politics (and not combat operations).

To man on the Right want to be the next George Washington, instead of realizing what the Right needs to fight the current social battle is to take pages out of MLK, Ghandi, and if need be, Malcolm X.

I never said go shooting things up.
Use your second and first amendment.
Follow tje states rules.
Jist make sure you are ready because for the right Civil disobedience will lead to the Boogaloo

 

[JagerIV]

None of the people you cite actually gave much of a shit until the civil disobedience. Civil disobedience is how they got that majority to actually give a shit about stuff. Civil disobedience is designed to shock an existing silent minority into action. It worked here. It worked in India.

The Supreme court passed sweeping decisions and sent the 101st airborne ... because the powerful just didn't care? 18 of the generally largest, most populist state had already banned school segregation ... because it was a fringe, marginal position?

That is a take. I don't know, campaigning for the federal government to do what it already was doing, but harder, just doesn't feel very civil disobedience. I guess complaining to higher management is being a rebel?

Nah, no thanks.

Though nice attempt to push people to violent solutions that would make it all that much easier for your glowie friends to entrap and charge them for something.

So long as the powers that be control the nuke codes, the 2nd Amendment isn't going to be useful for creating the needed social change.

However, MLK-like activities and civil disobedience, done with a strong effort to root out and marginalize any potential glowie/IC/LEO infiltrators, and done concert with tying the Left to Soviet/Russian psy-ops to turn the anti-Russia fervor against the Marxists in academia and DC, can absolutely succeed at marginalizing the Left in this nation and finally rooting out the commies McCarthy warned us about decades ago.

The Right has never attempted MLK like civil disobedience, instead of trying stupid militia shit or thinking that WASPy church rhetoric actually resonates with the the masses anymore.

Look at how many on the Right go on and on about wanting to re-enact or compare the fight to Valley Forge, or other battles against the Brits, and prepping for the 'Boogaloo', instead of looking at what has actually been proven to work in American domestic politics (and not combat operations).

Too many on the Right want to be the next George Washington, instead of realizing what the Right needs to fight the current social battle is to take pages out of MLK, Ghandi, and if need be, Malcolm X.

This has so little relation to reality, and is so generally vague, that I'm not sure what is actually being suggested.

I mean, yeah, take over the Supreme Court and use the FBI to destroy any organized resistance to the right. Then we can find some charismatic black guy to morally bash the survivors into compliance. That's more or less the MLK game plan. The Right I don't think is in a position yet to have the supreme court rewrite the constitution in our favor and then amend the constitution to make apposing the right unconstitutional.

What are you thinking of?