Fallout Fallout General Thread - War, War Never Changes. Nor do game engines.

[Husky_Khan]

Rad Storms are kind of a East Coast phenomenon.
New Vegas wouldn't experience that because House shot down the nukes before they arrived, I don't even think NCR territory experience rad storms. The only way players in the campaign could experience that is if they got teleported to the East Coast

Radioactive Dust Storms in Oklahoma IIRC though. Could be close then the East Coast.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Radioactive Dust Storms in Oklahoma IIRC though. Could be close then the East Coast.

Well yeah my DnD campaign is taking place in New Vegas, it's a West Coast campaign cuz people asked for it on Discord.

I suppose we can still do some weather shenanigans like rain but not rad storms.

 

[Typhonis]

Well yeah my DnD campaign is taking place in New Vegas, it's a West Coast campaign cuz people asked for it on Discord.

I suppose we can still do some weather shenanigans like rain but not rad storms.

Sand or Dust storms would work. Just make it Weather that is dangerous to be out in even while protected.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Mojave could be protected by the Colorado River or some other geographical nonsense.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Sand or Dust storms would work. Just make it Weather that is dangerous to be out in even while protected.

• Dust Storms (Perception Debuff, removed by short resting)
• Cold Temperature Drops (Agility Debuff, removed by short resting)
• High Temperature (Endurance Debuff removed by drinking water)
• Random Deathclaw attacks (Just "Hard" Fight)

How bout any of the following can happen?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

This has just made me realize another thing, how the fuck is anybody alive in FO4 due to radstorms? Like yeah I get that ingame they barely irradiate you for gameplay purposes but in-canon they're rather dangerous.
You have people live in structures WITHOUT WINDOWS OR DOORS and they just wander around? The air is so full of radioactive particles that it's glowing green and nobody gives a shit?

At least in Stalker when emissions hit, structures can be relatively 'non sealed' because it's psychic energy and not actual radiation, so small gaps still work against it.

 

[Carrot of Truth]

This has just made me realize another thing, how the fuck is anybody alive in FO4 due to radstorms? Like yeah I get that ingame they barely irradiate you for gameplay purposes but in-canon they're rather dangerous.
You have people live in structures WITHOUT WINDOWS OR DOORS and they just wander around? The air is so full of radioactive particles that it's glowing green and nobody gives a shit?

At least in Stalker when emissions hit, structures can be relatively 'non sealed' because it's psychic energy and not actual radiation, so small gaps still work against it.

Talking about Stalker makes me wish we could get a true open world Metro game, I have always preferred the darker and more serious tone of that setting.

 

[Scooby Doo]

This has just made me realize another thing, how the fuck is anybody alive in FO4 due to radstorms? Like yeah I get that ingame they barely irradiate you for gameplay purposes but in-canon they're rather dangerous.
You have people live in structures WITHOUT WINDOWS OR DOORS and they just wander around? The air is so full of radioactive particles that it's glowing green and nobody gives a shit?

At least in Stalker when emissions hit, structures can be relatively 'non sealed' because it's psychic energy and not actual radiation, so small gaps still work against it.

Fallout 76 has people survive lesser rad storms with rad away but major ones like in the glowing sea can't be survived by normal people.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Tinkering with a Courier 6 Boss fight concept.

Opening attack, Archmides II Blast. (Powerful one time use Alpha Strike)

Phase 1. Using AM Sniper with Stealthboy (All attacks are Disadvantaged until Stealthboy expires), once health is depleted to 50% they use a Superstimpack and move to Phase 2.
Phase 2. Red Glare + Med X (Damage Reduction), once dropped down to 50% HP they use another super Stimpack and move to Phase 3.
Phase 3. All American rifle, Plasma Grenades and they use up their turbo implants from Old World Blues. They get 10x Stimpacks and die once they run out of HP.

 

[Marduk]

Talking about Stalker makes me wish we could get a true open world Metro game, I have always preferred the darker and more serious tone of that setting.

Want a huge open world Stalker game, Stalker GAMMA is out there.

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

Fallout 76 has people survive lesser rad storms with rad away but major ones like in the glowing sea can't be survived by normal people.

76 shouldn't even have radstorms because of it's location, only the unique weirdness of glowing sea causes it. I mean it's obvious they just reused FO4 assets.
Also makes no sense people survive them because, well, unsealed houses.

 

[Scooby Doo]

76 shouldn't even have radstorms because of it's location, only the unique weirdness of glowing sea causes it.

The Glowing sea happened because of the sheer quantity of nukes, East Coast canonically got hit harder and the idiots of Vault 76 didn't help by continuing the nukings to kill the Scorch Beasts

So 76 having rad storms is not unusual, they're more nuke happy.

I mean it's obvious they just reused FO4 assets.
Also makes no sense people survive them because, well, unsealed houses.

They actually don't survive them without rad away

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

The Glowing sea happened because of the sheer quantity of nukes, East Coast canonically got hit harder and the idiots of Vault 76 didn't help by continuing the nukings to kill the Scorch Beasts

So 76 having rad storms is not unusual, they're more nuke happy.

As established however, that's not how nukes work, even in Fallout. :V

They actually don't survive them without rad away

Radaway is expensive and rare, non-radaway treatments for radiation exists, but when EVERYONE is exposed to radiation constantly there's no way they could handle that load.

 

[Scooby Doo]

As established however, that's not how nukes work, even in Fallout. :V

It literally does idk what you're smoking
Large quantity of nukes creating rad storms is a fact in Fallout 4.

You can't even argue FO/FO2/FNV because they never got hit by the same quantity of nukes.

Radaway is expensive and rare, non-radaway treatments for radiation exists, but when EVERYONE is exposed to radiation constantly there's no way they could handle that load.

Source Rad away is rare?

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

It literally does idk what you're smoothie

Didn't see any of that in FO1-2 or NV. Even the glow is locational radiation instead of making huge storms of it. I mean can we at least admit that yes, that is how it works in Fallout (now), if only due to retcons?
It'd be like if lightsabers in Star wars 10 can fire laserbeams and set people on fire, despite none of that happening before. It's nonsense.

Source Rad away is rare?

It's a pre-war drug, produced post-war in limited amounts and generally is one of the more costly/rare items to find in all of the games. :V
Might as well ask if super stimpacks are rare lmao.

 

[Scooby Doo]

Didn't see any of that in FO1-2 or NV. Even the glow is locational radiation instead of making huge storms of it. I mean can we at least admit that yes, that is how it works in Fallout (now), if only due to retcons?
It'd be like if lightsabers in Star wars 10 can fire laserbeams and set people on fire, despite none of that happening before. It's nonsense.

FO1,FO2,FNV are irrelevant to the discussion because the quantity of radiation there is less than it is in the East Coast and there's no examples of the West Coast getting hit has hard or by as many nukes as the East did 🤷

It's a pre-war drug, produced post-war in limited amounts and generally is one of the more costly/rare items to find in all of the games. :V
Might as well ask if super stimpacks are rare lmao.

Super Stimpacks can be hand crafted with a survival skill, and Vault City in FO2 trades Rad away in mass to other towns so it's obviously not that rare if it can't be reproduced
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FO2 literally calls it a drug, there's plenty of chemistry stations in the East Coast. You make it sound like the West Coast is too backwards to make it

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

FO1,FO2,FNV are irrelevant to the discussion because the quantity of radiation there is less than it is in the East Coast and there's no examples of the West Coast getting hit has hard or by as many nukes as the East did 🤷

The quantity of radiation doesn't make it start to act like Stalker emissions. ;V

Super Stimpacks can be hand crafted with a survival skill, and Vault City in FO2 trades Rad away in mass to other towns so it's obviously not that rare if it can't be reproduced
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FO2 literally calls it a drug, there's plenty of chemistry stations in the East Coast. You make it sound like the West Coast is too backwards to make it

You realize it requires actual materials to make, right? Special chemicals, processes, etc. Any random waste lander can't just make it, actual chemists are required.
Given that it's rare enough in FO2, with actual civilized towns and whatnot, it should be even less common in places where people can't even build a brick wall like the east coast. ;V

 

[Scooby Doo]

The quantity of radiation doesn't make it start to act like Stalker emissions. ;V

According to whom?
Rad storms only exist in East Coast so you have to point out where in Bethesda lore does it say it's not possible.

You realize it requires actual materials to make, right? Special chemicals, processes, etc. Any random waste lander can't just make it, actual chemists are required.

So Jet can be mass produced by a 16 year old Twink long after he's killed but Rad away is too much lol

If it helps you sleep better Rad away is actually pretty easy to craft in the East Coast, Sole Survivor is able to craft it and even the Brothers Outcasts are able to provide an infinite supply to those who have tech to trade with them.

Given that it's rare enough in FO2, with actual civilized towns and whatnot,

It's not rare, Vault city sells a lot of it. It's just not needed very much because the West Coast is less irradiated than the East.

it should be even less common in places where people can't even build a brick wall like the east coast. ;V

I doubt, Rad away is still fairly rare in New Vegas and it's supposed to be far ahead in industry than the East Coast.


Radiation just isn't a problem in the West as it is in the East so if you want to be honest you have to stop comparing everything to the West Coast lol

 

[ThatZenoGuy]

According to whom?
Rad storms only exist in East Coast so you have to point out where in Bethesda lore does it say it's not possible.

They don't show up in FO3, which was turbo nuked. :V It was just a silly gimmick they added to FO4 which fell flat because they quickly realized that 'oops weather bad, you died' would be lame, so they had to nerf the shit out of it. But they never at any point realized the implications of the world going full-radiation every once in a while.
Again to compare it to stalker, there's actual cover from emissions, emissions cannot pierce even relatively shoddy structures.

So Jet can be mass produced by a 16 year old Twink long after he's killed but Rad away is too much lol

If it helps you sleep better Rad away is actually pretty easy to craft in the East Coast, Sole Survivor is able to craft it and even the Brothers Outcasts are able to provide an infinite supply to those who have tech to trade with them.

It's not rare, Vault city sells a lot of it. It's just not needed very much because the West Coast is less irradiated than the East.


I doubt, Rad away is still fairly rare in New Vegas and it's supposed to be far ahead in industry than the East Coast.


Radiation just isn't a problem in the West as it is in the East so if you want to be honest you have to stop comparing everything to the West Coast lol

Jet probably shouldn't even be on the east coast because it's a hyper specific West Coast drug. You cannot make it without a specific protein being fed to Brahmin.

Like usual you're just being dishonest and a general shit-tier debater, conflating gameplay with lore without the understanding on how they should interact with one another.

If radaway is as common as you say it is, FO3's plot is nonsensical. If it is NOT as common as you say it is, FO4's plot is nonsensical. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

Can nu-Fallout fans actually pull their heads out of their ass for one day in their lives and talk about the series seriously? Won't be debating this anymore because it's pointless, might as well go play chess with a fucking duck or something.

 

[Scooby Doo]

They don't show up in FO3, which was turbo nuked. :V

Didn't get nuked as hard as the Common Wealth apparently 🤷

Commonwealth had a nuclear storage facility get hit, the DC wasteland didn't have any nuclear storage facilities hit.

It was just a silly gimmick they added to FO4 which fell flat because they quickly realized that 'oops weather bad, you died' would be lame, so they had to nerf the shit out of it. But they never at any point realized the implications of the world going full-radiation every once in a while.

Or maybe pay attention and realize that hitting a place with a lot of nukes spread more Fallout 🤷

Like I dare you to find one crater in any Fallout game that's bigger than the one in the Commonwealth.

Again to compare it to stalker, there's actual cover from emissions, emissions cannot pierce even relatively shoddy structures.

Irrelevant gibberish, Stalker has nothing to do with Fallout 4/3.

Jet probably shouldn't even be on the east coast because it's a hyper specific West Coast drug. You cannot make it without a specific protein being fed to Brahmin.

And what specific protein would be in the West Coast that wouldn't be in the East?

Like usual you're just being dishonest and a general shit-tier debater, conflating gameplay with lore without the understanding on how they should interact with one another.

Nah it's just you jerking off to the previous game environment when it literally has nothing to do with the East Coast.

Anything that's mentioned on the East Coast you immediately pull out BUT MUH WEST COAST DINT HAVE ET. As if the East Coast was supposed to be a carbon copy of the West lol

If radaway is as common as you say it is, FO3's plot is nonsensical.

Didn't I embarrass your ass by pointing out the fact the Purifier in FO3 can purify radiation in water much quicker and in greater quantity than it'd take to build a literal million industrial purifiers?

Do I need to point out the math again or are you going to ignore logic again and deflect to something completely unrelated?

Edit: Just remind you the Project Purifier can purify a minimum of 250 million in a day

Industrial Purifiers can only do 20 gallons a day even if you crafted a million industrial purifiers you wouldn't come close to the same output. It would also take significantly longer to craft a million Industrial purifiers, even if it took only an hour to craft that would take 114 years to do which would be significantly longer than the lifespans of pretty much any Wastelander.

TLDR;
20 Years and 250 million gallons a day>>>>114 years and 20 million gallons of water a day.

If it is NOT as common as you say it is, FO4's plot is nonsensical. You can't have your cake and eat it too.

FO4's plot has nothing to do with radiation what are you smoking lmafo? How can you be so boastful when you don't even know the difference between the lore of Fallout 3 and 4?

Can nu-Fallout fans actually pull their heads out of their ass for one day in their lives and talk about the series seriously? Won't be debating this anymore because it's pointless, might as well go play chess with a fucking duck or something.

Can Ol-Fallout fans actually bother to know the lore involved with the East Coast?

Like you guys can't stop jerking off every two seconds about the West Coast and then express confusion on like the obvious spoonfed lore of the East.


Idk how you lack such critical thinking skills to not understand this location

Got hit harder than any others we've seen.