First COVID, now this? (Potential Leak at Chinese Nuclear Power Plant)

[Bacle]

Fukushima was actually handled pretty well and honestly there was very little in the way of damage considering that the facility was hit by a mother fucking Tsunami we kind of owe the japanese people a lot of respect.

That said humanity has been handling nuclear power for over 70 years now, its not that hard to run a facility safely you just have to not be an idiot. I mean Chernobly only went back because the Russians went out and disobeyed safety standards on purpose.

Fukushima would not have been an issue at all if the Yakuza owned company that built it hadn't put the back-up diesel generators in the basement, IN A FUCKING TSUNAMI ZONE.

 

[bintananth]

Fukushima would not have been an issue at all if the Yakuza owned company that built it hadn't put the back-up diesel generators in the basement, IN A FUCKING TSUNAMI ZONE.

Let's not go there. The earthquake which caused the tsunami was Magnitude 9.1. That earthquake was one of the strongest ever recorded.

 

[Terthna]

Let's not go there. The earthquake which caused the tsunami was Magnitude 9.1. That earthquake was one of the strongest ever recorded.

Actually let's; because there was a study done some years ago, entitled The Fukushima accident was preventable, that laid out exactly how Fukushima was mismanaged to the point of causing the facility to fail during that tsunami, when it could have otherwise endured it without issue.

 

[bintananth]

Actually let's; because there was a study done some years ago, entitled The Fukushima accident was preventable, that laid out exactly how Fukushima was mismanaged to the point of causing the facility to fail during that tsunami, when it could have otherwise endured it without issue.

Oh, there were screw ups with the response. I won't dispute that. Blaming the disaster on the Yakuza or on poor design is attempting to shift the blame. That powerplant was designed in the 1970s.

 

[Terthna]

Oh, there were screw ups with the response. I won't dispute that. Blaming the disaster on the Yakuza or on poor design is attempting to shift the blame. That powerplant was designed in the 1970s.

The study I linked, which I suggest you read before making uneducated assertions, lays out the "cascade of engineering and regulatory failures that led to the Fukushima disaster". Put bluntly, the fact that it was designed in the 1970s had nothing to do with why the plant failed that day.

 

[bintananth]

The study I linked, which I suggest you read before making uneducated assertions, lays out the "cascade of engineering and regulatory failures that led to the Fukushima disaster". Put bluntly, the fact that it was designed in the 1970s had nothing to do with why the plant failed that day.

@Bacle brought up the Yakuza, which is what I was originally replying to.

 

[Zachowon]

I have a good degree of trust in the French to operate and oversee a nuclear facility. Good track record there. Hell, they may have a better record than the US or any other operator, on a scale basis if nothing else, thanks to the broad usage of nuclear power.

The CCP's safety authority undermines itself in the very story by tinkering with the standards in order to pass them (something I'm damn-sure willing to believe French associates over the mainland's regulatory agency on). That's an immediate piss-poor example of safety protocol even ignoring all other context of CCP infrastructure or standards (which are not good) or taking into account prior actions on the part of mainland agencies/individuals to avoid or shift blame (most recently most visible with Wuhan flu).

Hopefully they get a handle on the thing. Nuclear reactors going wrong has unfortunate tendency to have widespread area of affect (see: Chernobyl, Fukushima).

The French are honestly one of the leading countries when it comes to Nuclear power.


But the Chinese have horrendous building standards and they have more buildings collpase then the US does... Thier dam is on the verge of breaking....

 

[Terthna]

The French are honestly one of the leading countries when it comes to Nuclear power.


But the Chinese have horrendous building standards and they have more buildings collpase then the US does... Thier dam is on the verge of breaking....

They destroyed so much of their good farmland building that thing, and when it breaks it's going to destroy even more of it downstream.

 

[Zachowon]

They destroyed so much of their good farmland building that thing, and when it breaks it's going to destroy even more of it downstream.

They would basically destroy thier economy

 

[Terthna]

They would basically destroy thier economy

Forget their economy; the Chinese people would outright starve without all that food being produced.

 

[Zachowon]

Forget their economy; the Chinese people would outright starve without all that food being produced.

And millions would die

 

[Terthna]

And millions would die

Well yeah, that's kinda what an entire nation starving entails.

 

[Zachowon]

Well yeah, that's kinda what an entire nation starving entails.

I mean just from the initial dam busting

 

[Terthna]

I mean just from the initial dam busting

You're not wrong. I hope China comes out the other end a better nation; whether it collapses due to the dam breaking, the real estate bubble bursting, a nuclear power plant going critical, or something else entirely.

 

[Cherico]

You're not wrong. I hope China comes out the other end a better nation; whether it collapses due to the dam breaking, the real estate bubble bursting, a nuclear power plant going critical, or something else entirely.

The chinese people have pretty good traditional values once the CCP is removed the next government will be able to create a much better government, one that isnt built on a bad ideological foundation.

 

[bintananth]

The chinese people have pretty good traditional values once the CCP is removed the next government will be able to create a much better government, one that isnt built on a bad ideological foundation.

As far as I can tell the CCP is an improvement compared to what came before. There's no guarantee that whatever might replace it will be better.

 

[Cherico]

As far as I can tell the CCP is an improvement compared to what came before. There's no guarantee that whatever might replace it will be better.

The Qing dynasty lasted from 1644 to 1912, that's honestly a pretty good run, they helped make China pretty stable for the early part of its history, its true they didn't have the kind of dymanism the Ming had but the Ming were mother fucking glorious so maybe not a fair comparison.

Their problem was they were unable to modernize because the Ming were a forgen dynasty that didn't have legitimacy with the Han majority. Still with all of their problems at least they didn't have the 4 olds campain, or the great leap forward, or the cultural revolution all of which together fucked up china pretty bad.

 

[History Learner]

It isnt about attacking China or them being commies, it's about keeping momentum, for the past twenty years and despite us naysayers giving any and all warning, politicians have continued to parrot the ever popular corporate slogans of.

"China is our friend!"

"Allowing China into the WTO only benefits the U.S.!"

"China will 'reform' if we open ourselves to them for trade."

And many more excuses, the U.S. can't keep turning a blind eye to patent theft, currency manipulation, and China continuing to advance its agenda on the world stage.

You say we should stop worrying and focus on the roads? 'I' say why not complain about both?

After all, every president back to Clinton has said they would 'improve infrastructure' and yet here we still are, those bridges are going to stand until people die because of them, politicians through their inactions on both sides make that clear.

In any case, I am glad that a majority of the American public is catching on to China's antics finally, even if they are just a 'distraction', they are still a more worthy one than the Middle east.

Your last sentence is quite literally my point; the same way the Middle East was used as a distraction is now being used by our elites with China. Why suddenly after all these years is it valid to attack China? You can't earnestly claim it's "the American public catching on" when you have Biden talking about an Anti-China alliance a the G7 and China isn't a major issue in any polling by the American public on terms of their top concerns. Simply put, we're getting played again the same way we have since the 1980s with the Middle East. That this is somehow controversial to you and others in this thread speaks volumes because you're able to recognize the old play but fail to realize the Anti-China stuff is quite literally just that with a face lift.

 

[bintananth]

The Qing dynasty lasted from 1644 to 1912, that's honestly a pretty good run, they helped make China pretty stable for the early part of its history, its true they didn't have the kind of dymanism the Ming had but the Ming were mother fucking glorious so maybe not a fair comparison.

Their problem was they were unable to modernize because the Ming were a forgen dynasty that didn't have legitimacy with the Han majority. Still with all of their problems at least they didn't have the 4 olds campain, or the great leap forward, or the cultural revolution all of which together fucked up china pretty bad.

San Marino, in the middle of Italy, has been independant since 301AD and is still going strong. Their constitution was written c.1600 and predates the Qing dynasty.

BTW: The Magna Carta was written over a century before the Ming took control of China.

 

[Zachowon]

Your last sentence is quite literally my point; the same way the Middle East was used as a distraction is now being used by our elites with China. Why suddenly after all these years is it valid to attack China? You can't earnestly claim it's "the American public catching on" when you have Biden talking about an Anti-China alliance a the G7 and China isn't a major issue in any polling by the American public on terms of their top concerns. Simply put, we're getting played again the same way we have since the 1980s with the Middle East. That this is somehow controversial to you and others in this thread speaks volumes because you're able to recognize the old play but fail to realize the Anti-China stuff is quite literally just that with a face lift.

Because China is trying to control the world woth an iron fist and has had A LOT more issues then the middle east in a lot of regards. At least in the Middle East you don't have to worry about a window falling on you while walking down the street. A building shaking apart, a sky scraper at that. A dam on the verge if breaking...a government that will kill you for talking bad about it (Qnymore. Taliban will, so will Iram but even Iran let's some political dissidents live, but not on the level of China).

Have openly threatened an independent country they claim is there territory.

Have started fishing in other nations waters and opened fired on thier craft when going to stop the fishing....