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As anti war as I am, I'm actually with Zach on being pro war on this one.

If Mexico can't control the cartels, I am okay with the US cracking down.

They're, in my opinion, a far bigger threat than anybody over in Asia and Europe.

My only complaint is that we'd never have the stomach to do what needs to be done, so it would just become another useless political football to toss around.

When they start proposing firebombing as a valid tactic to take care of the cartels, then we can talk.
 
All it takes is a president going "Mexico, either you deal with the cartels or I will."
And Mexico would respond with "try us, Imperialist Capitalist Pigdog!" and half of America will cheer them for it. And then the President will send the troops in, the other party will attack them for it, and they will be thrown out regardless of whether the intervention was succesful.

Your gung-ho thinking is outdated, and has been since the Iraq War. This just isn't the era where the USAF can bomb countries into not being evil anymore.
 
Yeah, a mass arrest will totally work on cartels when they open up on your vehicles with a 50.....
Doing either of those don't really work, when an entire sicario off shoot (I think sicario off shoot) were former Mexican SF...
That would be the Zetas.
We sboukd actively engage and destroy them

It would cit down on domestic crime by like, at least 25%
Long term, sure. It would spike in the short term as we get cartel reprisals in the US targeting service members and their families as well as LEO and their families. There would definitely be some pain and loss.
And Mexico would respond with "try us, Imperialist Capitalist Pigdog!" and half of America will cheer them for it. And then the President will send the troops in, the other party will attack them for it, and they will be thrown out regardless of whether the intervention was succesful.

Your gung-ho thinking is outdated, and has been since the Iraq War. This just isn't the era where the USAF can bomb countries into not being evil anymore.
Nah. Just have to illuminate all the drug deaths and slavery they engage in. Tie it all to the suffering caused inside the US alone. Like any war, you have to sell it to the public first.
 
That would be the Zetas.

Long term, sure. It would spike in the short term as we get cartel reprisals in the US targeting service members and their families as well as LEO and their families. There would definitely be some pain and loss.

Nah. Just have to illuminate all the drug deaths and slavery they engage in. Tie it all to the suffering caused inside the US alone. Like any war, you have to sell it to the public first.
The fact it would be mostly delta and SF for most initial operations they wouldn't really be able to do reprisals on service members unless they went after any and all.
Then we just take it up a notch.
We level every cartel compound with stuff thwy have no counter too.
but yeah long term easy drstruction if a large crime issue.
Didn't I already tell you it won't matter?

Not since Iraq.
Cartels are not liked by the populace...
 
Cartels are not liked by the populace...
But casualties and foreign interventions are hated more.

Give it up, the idea is hopeless. What we need is for the Cartels to die off on their own, because there's no way either of the states they concern will do it for them. Not unless there's a major shakeup in politics, which feels about as likely as Reagan rising from the grave and fixing everything.
 
But casualties and foreign interventions are hated more.

Give it up, the idea is hopeless. What we need is for the Cartels to die off on their own, because there's no way either of the states they concern will do it for them. Not unless there's a major shakeup in politics, which feels about as likely as Reagan rising from the grave and fixing everything.
Cartels won't go anywhere as long as the US has an open border and Mexico is corrupt.
And...the casualties we will take would be as low as A-stan.
And unlike kost foreign invasions, this one is an actual physical threat to our homeland
 
Cartels won't go anywhere as long as the US has an open border and Mexico is corrupt.
And...the casualties we will take would be as low as A-stan.
And unlike most foreign invasions, this one is an actual physical threat to our homeland
you overestimate the competence of the American military leadership.
 
Yeah, a mass arrest will totally work on cartels when they open up on your vehicles with a 50.....
Doing either of those don't really work, when an entire sicario off shoot (I think sicario off shoot) were former Mexican SF...
Do you think these guys live on military bases?

No they know who the gangsters are. And if they are willing to have a good dictator who will remove due process and other rights the Mexican military would be able to handle it.
 
you overestimate the competence of the American military leadership.
No, I know the military is that competent in the majority
Do you think these guys live on military bases?

No they know who the gangsters are. And if they are willing to have a good dictator who will remove due process and other rights the Mexican military would be able to handle it.
HAHAHAHAHA.
The cartels own the government.
 
Yes because it's a corrupt oligarchy because your bosses love "democracy" There are military units that are not bought and paid for by cartels. Those could be used by a dictator to gain order.
And...those military units get wiped out in thier barracks.
 
And...those military units get wiped out in thier barracks.
By who? If you have a loyal soldiers that wiped out the corrupt ones, then military bases should be secured. Again to get rid of cartels you need a large alpha strike to go after all the people who are in gangs and are associated with them and you kill them or throw them in a jail cell. The reason El Salvador can do it is because they did what I said they literally had people arrest people with tattoos and threw them in prison without trial, no long investigation no warrants. You do all that shit NOW, and later you can go over and see who everyone is.
 
The US has no obligation to Mexico. As long as the Cartels can be destroyed in US territory and taught never to intrude into it, Mexico can deal with it's own problems.
The cartels are running literal grow houses in the mid west and southern states to supply marijuana to all the pot stores opening.
 
Not going to lie, I always find it funny when in modern day we allow the usage of entire nations as glorified drug-farms.

"AWW SHIT, SADAM'S GOT SOME CHEMICAL WEAPONS! FUCKIN INVADE THE MOTHERFUCKER!"
>Entire fucking globe goes apeshit and pulls a Blitzkrieg that'd make Hitler blush

"GOD DAMN! THE ENTIRE FUCKING COUNTRY OF MEXICO IS A DRUG-FARM LED BY LITERAL CARTELS!"
>Crickets

Uhh, America? This is sort of the time you're supposed to invade and crush them within a week?...Like yeah sure there'd be a heap of collateral damage but you really never cared for that, Mr Agent Orange.

At this point it's all but overtly stated that the West in general not only approves of these horrific anti-human practices. They insist upon it!
 
My only complaint is that we'd never have the stomach to do what needs to be done, so it would just become another useless political football to toss around.

When they start proposing firebombing as a valid tactic to take care of the cartels, then we can talk.
Thermite and FPV drones much more economical; we've seen these over in the Russian invasion of Ukraine, and they will fuck up just about anything with relatively cheap munitions.

Thermite is cheap as shit to produce, no lingering toxicity or fallout, and far more precise than carpet bombing.
 

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