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Partition of Papal Italy Question & Answer
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    TheRejectionist
    To continue my pestering with random Italy related questions - wiki on the last king of Two Sicilies says, that he turned down an offer by di Cavour to partition the Papal States between "Italy" and his realm. Is anything known as to how the partition would had been?
    First time I hear about it!

    I don't know anything about it.

    Wouldn't surprise me if they outright refused considering both the monarchy and population of the Two Sicilies was ultra-conservative Catholic (and still IS to this day) and chopping up the territories of the Pope would be a big nono.
     
    More WW2 Videos Part 2
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    Trieste Riots | Guerra Ai Nemici Della Mia Terra
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    The Trieste uprisings of November 1953 were severely repressed by the Police Force under the Allied Military Government (GMA), the Anglo-American allied military administration force headed by the British general Thomas Willoughby Winterton.

    With the end of World War II, Italy lost the Venezia Giulia region. The Free Territory of Trieste was founded in the capital Trieste and its immediate vicinity in 1947 by a peace treaty. It was an independent state under the administration of the United Nations, which was considered a buffer zone between Italy and Yugoslavia in order to avoid direct conflict between the two nations. Despite the drafting and ratification of the statute, however, due to the mutual vetoes between the former allies, no agreement could be reached on the appointment of the governor, so that the Free State remained divided into two zones: the Allied military government and the Yugoslav military administration. For seven years the Italian and Yugoslav diplomats worked to be able to incorporate the whole of Trieste.

    A turning point, however, came in the summer of 1953. With the political elections in June, the new Prime Minister Pella immediately sent a clear signal and reacted with a military demonstration to the attempt by the Yugoslavs to raise the bar for their claims in the Allied Zone as well. The Allies then try to work towards a division of the Free State between the two countries, but complicate the situation further by issuing a bilateral decree: a declaration in which they undertake to cede the civil administration of the Allied Zone to Italy.

    Faced with the reaction of Tito, who was preparing to invade Trieste, the Allies suspend the application of the ordinance and provoke lively protests from the Italian side.

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    dall'ultima frontiera della civiltà!

    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!
    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!

    nelle battaglie forse si muore
    ma non cadranno i nostri valori
    vivrò in eterno accanto agli eroi!

    ragazzi coraggio forza ed onore!
    lanciamo in alto i nostri cuori
    perchè il domani appartiene a noi!

    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!
    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!

    ragazzo che ascolti questo messaggio
    nato col sole e i fiori di maggio
    innalza dal cielo e fa che non tramonti mai!

    l'alba rischiara il nostro cammino
    la tradizione è il nostro destino
    che viva in un sogno in un ideale:

    la Patria!

    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!
    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!

    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!
    GUERRA AI NEMICI DELLA MIA TERRA!



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    NOTE : The guy who posted the song is likely a bit mental.
     
    Zelda in Naples (Allegedly)
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    Roman Emperor Caligula's massive party ships were not burned by the Nazis during World War II, researchers say. A US artillery unit was to blame by Isobel van Hagen
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    TheRejectionist
    Left, Historical luxury ships — Liebig collectors' card, 1935. Right - Nemi ships built by Caligula, 1st century AD.

    Left, Historical luxury ships — Liebig collectors' card, 1935. Right - Nemi ships built by Caligula, 1st century AD. Culture Club/Bridgeman via Getty Images, DE AGOSTINI PICTURE LIBRARY / Getty images
    • For decades, many believed the Nazis were responsible for the destruction of Caligula's Nemi ships.
    • The massive first-century boats were used for the debauched Roman emperor's love for partying.
    • A new book reveals US artillery was accountable for the burning of the ships, The Times reports
    The history behind the destruction of two boats known as the Nemi ships that belonged to the notorious Roman Emperor Caligula has been shrouded in mystery. While many believed the Nazis burned them during World War II, a new book finds that a US artillery unit was responsible for their destruction.
    Caligula, known for his taste for opulent luxury and love of outlandish parties, had the "pleasure boats" equipped with artwork – including marble statues and mosaics, archeologists believe. The massive party boats — measuring between 230 and 240 feet — stationed on Lake Nemi in Italy were ahead of their time, as they had a plumbing system for running water, according to Atlas Obscura.
    While it is unclear why the boats sank, popular mythology says that Caligula — ruler of Rome from 37 AD until his assassination in 41 AD — sank the ships himself during a "drunken orgy," according to the travel outlet.
    Caligula's boats were recovered from the bottom of the lake in the early 20th century and kept in a museum by Italy's fascist leader Benito Mussolini. However, the relics were destroyed during the war in a fire.
    At the time, it was widely believed that Hitler's Nazis were responsible for the burned ships. But a new book shines a light on their history — claiming it was a US artillery unit that burned the vessels.
    "It was easier to point the finger at the Germans, and the report was a hurried attempt to blame them," Stefano Paolucci, a historian and co-author of the forthcoming book "The Burning of the Nemi Boats," told The Times.

    "Whoever is doing the fighting, war is always destructive"

    African-American Black soldiers artillery World War II

    US soldiers with mortar shells scrawled with anti-Hitler chalk messages, 1943. Hulton Archive/Getty Images

    A report at the time written with the support of US and British officials found that the boats were burned by Nazi troops in 1944, according to The Times, accusing the Germans of committing a "crime against civilization."
    A 1944 New York Times headline read, "NAZIS BURN GALLEYS OF ANCIENT ROMANS."
    "The Germans denied it, but that's been the view for 80 years before we analyzed the report and realized it didn't add up," Flavio Altamura, an archeologist, and co-author of the book, told The Times.
    The two researchers believe that US shells hit the museum roof during the war, which likely caused shrapnel to hit the wooden boats and destroy them. Other reports at the time that corroborated their theory were overlooked at the time, they said, because of embarrassment by the Allied forces.
    The researchers also argued that an Italian heritage official who led the inquiry into the destruction of the ships was eager to blame the Germans and ingratiate himself with the Allies to overlook his ties to fascism.
    "Our research won't give us back the boats, but we believe we have cleared up the mystery and shown that whoever is doing the fighting, war is always destructive," Altamura told The Times.
     
    Are Italian Americans, Italian?
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    Here is the perspective of an Italian in America.

    Italian Americans (Italian: italoamericani or italo-americani, pronounced [ˌitaloameriˈkaːni]) are Americans who have full or partial Italian ancestry. According to the Italian American Studies Association, the current population is about 18 million, an increase from 16 million in 2010, corresponding to about 5.4% of the total population of the United States.[10] The largest concentrations of Italian Americans are in the urban Northeast and industrial Midwestern metropolitan areas, with significant communities also residing in many other major U.S. metropolitan areas.[11]

    Between 1820 and 2004 approximately 5.5 million Italians migrated from Italy to the United States during the Italian diaspora, in several distinct waves, with the greatest number arriving in the 20th century from Southern Italy. Initially, many Italian immigrants (usually single men), so-called "birds of passage", sent remittance back to their families in Italy and, eventually, returned to Italy; however, many other immigrants eventually stayed in the United States, creating the large Italian American communities that exist today.[12]

    In 1870, prior to the large wave of Italian immigrants to the United States, there were fewer than 25,000 Italian immigrants in America, many of them Northern Italian refugees from the wars that accompanied the Risorgimento—the struggle for Italian reunification and independence from foreign rule which ended in 1870.[13]

    Immigration began to increase during the 1870s, when more than twice as many Italians immigrated than during the five previous decades combined.[14][15] The 1870s were followed by the greatest surge of immigration, which occurred between 1880 and 1914 and brought more than 4 million Italians to the United States,[14][15] the largest number coming from the Southern Italian regions of Abruzzo, Molise, Campania, Apulia, Basilicata, Calabria, and Sicily, which were still mainly rural and agricultural and where much of the populace had been impoverished by centuries of foreign rule and the heavy tax burdens levied after unification of Italy in 1861.[16][17][18] This period of large-scale immigration ended abruptly with the onset of World War I in 1914 and, except for one year (1922), never fully resumed, though many Italians managed to immigrate despite new quota-based immigration restrictions. Italian immigration was limited by several laws Congress passed in the 1920s, such as the Immigration Act of 1924, which was specifically intended to reduce immigration from Italy and other Southern European countries, as well as immigration from Eastern European countries, by restricting annual immigration per country to a number proportionate to each nationality's existing share of the U.S. population in 1920, as determined by the National Origins Formula (which calculated Italy to be the fifth-largest national origin of the U.S., to be allotted 3.87% of annual quota immigrant spots).[19][20][21][22][23][24]

    Following Italian unification, the Kingdom of Italy initially encouraged emigration to relieve economic pressures in Southern Italy.[18] After the American Civil War, which resulted in over a half million killed or wounded, immigrant workers were recruited from Italy and elsewhere to fill the labor shortage caused by the war. In the United States, most Italians began their new lives as manual laborers in eastern cities, mining camps and farms.[25] Italians settled mainly in the Northeastern U.S. and other industrial cities in the Midwest where working-class jobs were available. The descendants of the Italian immigrants steadily rose from a lower economic class in the first and second generation to a level comparable to the national average by 1970. The Italian community has often been characterized by strong ties to family, the Catholic Church, fraternal organizations, and political parties.[26]
     
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