The rise of nationalism in Europe is going to get a whole lot bigger when the baby boomer generation retires in mass and they discover they dont have nearly enough money to support the welfair state and I dont think the migrants have any plans on paying their fair share in taxes.
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The rise of nationalism in Europe is going to get a whole lot bigger when the baby boomer generation retires in mass and they discover they dont have nearly enough money to support the welfair state and I dont think the migrants have any plans on paying their fair share in taxes.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
I still don't understand what long term benefits were so compelling as to make people think open borders was a good idea. This was always going to bloody happen, and it'll only get worse from there on.
When you keep getting blasted with propaganda about how the refugees and immigrants will keep your pension safe, you start cracking eventually.
I actually do see a good argument for open borders in many EU countries. They have massive welfare states with a rapidly aging population. They desperately need immigrants to keep the welfare state running, which is why the free movement inside the EU helps so much. Polish plumbers and such are needed. The problem with the immigration that Europe is getting is that it comes with Islam and horrible ideas, and on top of that, most European nations (and most old-world nations in general) have an identity based on ethnicity, which means absorbing disparate populations very difficult.
Tryglaw
Well-known member
More stupidity from the Green party, confirming greens are but immature reds:
jungefreiheit.de
BERLIN. Die Grünen-Bundestagsabgeordnete Renate Künast hat eine dauerhafte Finanzierung der Antifa gefordert. „Ich bin es leid, wie wir seit Jahren darum kämpfen, daß NGOs und Antifa-Gruppen, die sich engagieren, um ihr Geld ringen und nur von Jahr zu Jahr Arbeitsverträge abschließen können. Sie müssen eine verläßliche Finanzierung haben“, sagte sie im Bundestag.
Weiter beklagte sie, daß diesen Organisationen immer wieder Gelder gestrichen würden. Im Kampf gegen Rechtsextremismus bedürfe es zudem Institutionen, die unabhängig wissenschaftlich arbeiteten.
Translation: Green Party Bundestag member Renate Künast demanded permanent (public) funding for Antifa: "I am sick of it how we have fought for years that NGOs and Antifa groups that engage themselves must struggle for money and can only receive funding on annual basis. They must have reliable funding." She also complained over these organisations getting their funding cut. In combat against right-wing extremism it also takes institutions that can do independent scientific work.
No comment from me, really...
Künast verlangt dauerhafte Finanzierung von Antifa-Gruppen
Die Grünen-Bundestagsabgeordnete Renate Künast hat eine dauerhafte Finanzierung der Antifa gefordert. Sie müsse eine verläßliche Finanzierung haben, sagte sie im Bundestag. In ihrer Rede im Parlament warnte sie vor neuen Erscheinungsformen der Rechtsextremen.
jungefreiheit.de
BERLIN. Die Grünen-Bundestagsabgeordnete Renate Künast hat eine dauerhafte Finanzierung der Antifa gefordert. „Ich bin es leid, wie wir seit Jahren darum kämpfen, daß NGOs und Antifa-Gruppen, die sich engagieren, um ihr Geld ringen und nur von Jahr zu Jahr Arbeitsverträge abschließen können. Sie müssen eine verläßliche Finanzierung haben“, sagte sie im Bundestag.
Weiter beklagte sie, daß diesen Organisationen immer wieder Gelder gestrichen würden. Im Kampf gegen Rechtsextremismus bedürfe es zudem Institutionen, die unabhängig wissenschaftlich arbeiteten.
Translation: Green Party Bundestag member Renate Künast demanded permanent (public) funding for Antifa: "I am sick of it how we have fought for years that NGOs and Antifa groups that engage themselves must struggle for money and can only receive funding on annual basis. They must have reliable funding." She also complained over these organisations getting their funding cut. In combat against right-wing extremism it also takes institutions that can do independent scientific work.
No comment from me, really...
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
So the argument for it is, "we maintain our bloated and ever growing welfare state but ruin our society and nation in the process?"
Couldn't we...you know...have tried getting to the root of the problem with out of control welfare instead of throwing millions of migrants at it. Surely that would provide a more long term solution.
Tryglaw
Well-known member
What should be done is this:
1. Pro-natal politics, tax cuts and less bureaucracy to reduce the cost of living and make running small family business easier. Along with other incentives, public kindergartens and such. For reference, Poles in UK are IIRC the second most demographically dynamic group - it's all about job security and standards of living.
The state not being a declared enemy of the populace really helps.
2. If taking immigrants in, then do as USA or Canada do, and allow in based on merit and desirable qualifications, not just allow any who can come (and all too often turns out illiterate in his native language).
So education plus knowledge of host nation language.
3. Make it clear in no uncertain terms, that living here means respecting our laws and values, not bringing in one's own.
No multi-kulti in other words.
Sure, but they refuse to do that, even those who are anti-immigrant refuse to cut back on welfare. Ultimately, fiscal discipline attracts few voters.
The problem with 1 and 3 is there is no political will to do these. The problem with 2 is that a welfare state offers little incentive for capable people to move there, and the high taxes pushes them away.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
I think it's more a case of no one's ever bothered to sit down and talk to the public about it. Contrary to popular belief they really aren't that stupid. Show them the pie charts of state expenditure, perhaps even give a little talk about what the Roman Welfare system did to the public and if you're feeling bold show how Welfare has utterly exacerbated the situation in crime riddled neighborhoods, just to get everyone on the same page.
As for those who scream "it's literal murder" to cut benefits, you can deliver a real gut punch by saying, "surely welfare costing that much is a sign of a very real problem in society that can't be solved by throwing more money at it."
Then our politicians really are short sighted fools. Do none of them see the catastrophe on the horizon that they're bringing ever closer? Don't even understand big businesses' motivation for mass immigration. Yes, they get temporary GDP growth but the societal implosion it'll end up causing across the West will utterly obliterate their precious markets. Have the ways of being corrupt without destroying you country been lost to time or something?
Not surprised the Greens want their own Schutz Staffel financed by the state. Hitler did something similiar with his own after all; so did the commies that tried to overthrow the Weimar Government first.
PsihoKekec
Swashbuckling Accountant
And how will masses of Somalis, Afganis and others on unemployment benefits help the welfare state remain solvent?
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
Some or them become doctors, engineers, rocket scientists etc and provide for said welfare state?
I think, like the decision to go even more WOKE with entertainment and brush off failures and the causes behind them, that executives have bought into the whole “wider audience” thing
It doesn’t help to have been Democrats or lived near Far Left types for who knows how long
AHAHAHAHAHA-! Nope. The overwhelming majority of these "refugees" will slack off and enjoy the hospitality of their hosts while laughing about their weakness behind their backs.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I’m pretty sure there’s some saying about how welfare doesn’t make people lazy parasites
TBH I don’t understand why they would be satisfied with just barely living when they can work also and maybe have enough money to buy luxury goods
Because culturally they're set to view our standards of 'barely just living' as it's a pretty sweet deal already.
CarlManvers2019
Writers Blocked Douchebag
I’m sure even they have had experiences or encounters or knowledge of their own upper class
Where is the ambition? The desire to see themselves rise up? The desire to enjoy the stuff Westerners do so casually?
Even with the cultural and religious divide, they should be fascinated by the stuff the latter enjoy
I’m sure that they have seen TV Shows and Movies and want to see more
1 is an interesting proposition but also a bit of self-contradiction. It looks as a libertarian and socialist solution rolled into one. Improvement of standards of living through general prosperity, less regulation and bureaucracy, making chilraising less costly at least, that could have some effect... No one tried it in first world conditions, but observations of other countries and few that are close to that as a matter of norm look promising.
However, disregarding how much that will piss off all the lawyers, civil servants and other control freaks, if you go with that plan, you will absolutely have no money to fund the more conventional socialist response - public everything, legally sanctioned job security and so on. Which is stuff nearly everyone is doing to some degree, for very little effect.
2 is a platitude. USA, Canada and similar countries that are among most desireable (coincidentally also ones "good for business") are already sucking up most, if not all of these immigrants, even ones close to fitting such standards. Not so easy for anyone else to do it, unless as an excuse (and quite interesting one) to limit immigration. 3 is a related problem - some countries can have their pick of immigrants, and others will just get whoever shows up and would get refused by the former, take them or leave them, while some idiots lawyer and politick themselves out of the "leave them" option in case the current crop showing up is really not worth dealing with.
Merkel lives up to her nickname and "heritage" once again.
Breaking into people's houses to install spy devices. Amazing. Truly. This is yet another example of why Germany needs the USA's constitution.
Breaking into people's houses to install spy devices. Amazing. Truly. This is yet another example of why Germany needs the USA's constitution.
Lord Sovereign
The resident Britbong
This...this is excessive by Prussian standards. The Kaiserreich was authoritarian but even it had its limits.
The german people need to get rid of her now.
Not tomorrow, not a year from now, now you should have gotten rid of her ten years ago you should have had term limits on how long prime ministers should serve but now they need to get rid of her.