Important Going Forward

[CarlManvers2019]

Because of the amount of trolls and those that came here specifically to make sure the views we share are pushed away and pushed off.
Because of the tensions the last few months and this month have caused

Silencing all discussion of the topics they set out to troll is the very best win they could ever hope to achieve. No greater propaganda victory could be granted than a suppression of enemy discussion in enemy territory. They certainly aren't suppressing their own discussions in theirs!

Honestly, one hope that will never come to pass is ever convincing them we're NOT evil oppressive tyrants even if we let them have free reign to troll and actually try putting out our points in a calmer fashion

Anyway, all of this stuff's making me feel like letting go of social media and forums again for another number of months like I did once before I found out about this site having been made.

 

[Zachowon]

I hope that is the case.


Silencing all discussion of the topics they set out to troll is the very best win they could ever hope to achieve. No greater propaganda victory could be granted than a suppression of enemy discussion in enemy territory by enemy authorities. They certainly aren't suppressing their own discussions in their places!

once all the tension dies down it wont be as bad

 

[absenceofmalice]

dude eat it means somebody puts a gun in your mouth and pulls the trigger.

And you called me dramatic.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Also Urabask why are you still banned doesn't your infraction expire this month?

My temp-ban expires in about four hours.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

And you called me dramatic.

dude that's just what it means to "Eat it" means to die/get killed.

 

[absenceofmalice]

dude that's just what it means to "Eat it" means to die/get killed.

It also means to take a painful defeat stop trying to be pedantic it's not even working on technicality.

 

[ShadowArxxy]

dude that's just what it means to "Eat it" means to die/get killed.

That's not the only meaning and I'm pretty sure you know it. Please stop being so dramatic and stick to the actual constructive substance of arguments.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

...

The forum ownership transition was supposed to take place over a period of roughly a month. That didn't happen.

Because of some of Lord Invictus's actions, Zoe was put in a position where she either shut down the site immediately or she sold it. The only reason it wasn't shut down is that Sunhawk was already prepared to take legal ownership.

At the same time, we have some of the most contentious US politics in living memory, a global pandemic, and the generalized shit that has been the last year.

On the forum side, the sale was put together during the winter holidays. Even if Covid wasn't a thing, that would still naturally make it more difficult to get things done.

Our tech admin was a close friend of Zoe's and left with her as well. So TS is in the process of a rushed ownership change, onboarding a new tech admin (and XF is not intuitive or all that easy to work with), figuring out what rules and procedure changes will be made, etc.

Once the business and technical administrative matters are taken care of, then the focus will be on the community management aspects. Will the rules and TOS change? Absolutely, if nothing else they will be clarified once it is decided how some facets of them will be enforced. Does anyone (including Sunhawk) have any real handle on the extent of those changes? No, it simply isn't a focus at this very second.

 

[ShieldWife]

I understand that there are issues with transition and I think we should cut everyone some slack regarding that.

But, keep in mind that the politics subforum is still closed. Closed during some of the most important political events of our generation, on a forum that formed primarily as a place to discuss politics. Not only that, but all over the internet across countless websites and various social media outlets there is a huge push to censor any opinion that is right of center.

The nation, the world even, is in dire need of platforms that allow free speech about politics, that allow people who aren’t left wing extremists to have opinions. The Sietch currently isn’t such a site and it needs to be ASAP.

 

[Spartan303]

Uh huh, except there are plenty of people here who aren't right wing. There's long standing members who are avowed communists.

They're welcome here so long as they follow the rules. But understand they're likely not to find much sympathy in political debates. The fact is, virtually every Communist who jas come here has done so with the explicit intent to cause trouble. Not because rational debate. To find one who willing to talk is a rare thing these days.

 

[absenceofmalice]

I understand that there are issues with transition and I think we should cut everyone some slack regarding that.

But, keep in mind that the politics subforum is still closed. Closed during some of the most important political events of our generation, on a forum that formed primarily as a place to discuss politics. Not only that, but all over the internet across countless websites and various social media outlets there is a huge push to censor any opinion that is right of center.

The nation, the world even, is in dire need of platforms that allow free speech about politics, that allow people who aren’t left wing extremists to have opinions. The Sietch currently isn’t such a site and it needs to be ASAP.

If you think thats a bug and not a feature then no you don't understand.

 

[Megadeath]

They're welcome here so long as they follow the rules. But understand they're likely not to find much sympathy in political debates. The fact is, virtually every Communist who jas come here has done so with the explicit intent to cause trouble. Not because rational debate. To find one who willing to talk is a rare thing these days.

As it stands, I understand they're not likely to find political debates period.

 

[Spartan303]

As it stands, I understand they're not likely to find political debates period.

Because they dont want to talk.

 

[Megadeath]

Because they dont want to talk.

No, because politics had to be locked. As I understand it, mostly because a group of (right wing) users were making comments that flirted with criminal activity?

 

[Spartan303]

No, because politics had to be locked. As I understand it, mostly because a group of (right wing) users were making comments that flirted with criminal activity?

You're clearly very late to the game. I'm referring to the entire time the Sietch has been online. As for recent actions by some members, that has been dealt with by the staff. So your point, insofar as you have one, rings hollow. And fails to address anything I said.

 

[LTR]

As it stands, I understand they're not likely to find political debates period.

BA DUM TSS!

 

[Megadeath]

You're clearly very late to the game. I'm referring to the entire time the Sietch has been online. As for recent actions by some members, that has been dealt with by the staff. So your point, insofar as you have one, rings hollow. And fails to address anything I said.

Well, I can only speak to my own experience. Which has been that there's far more to worry about with the "right wing" users in terms of rule breaking, and that they're the ones who are effectively responsible for the stifling of political discussion because of it, and further that they're the ones who are complaining about the rules being what they are, or outright saying that exception ought to be made for them, as after all they're the "right wing" ones, and this is a "right wing" site.

My own understanding is that it's a site that enshrined freedom of expression over anything, and valued civil discourse. Am I to understand that those other users are right, and the site is intended primarily as a right wing "safe space" after all?

 

[Spartan303]

Well, I can only speak to my own experience. Which has been that there's far more to worry about with the "right wing" users in terms of rule breaking, and that they're the ones who are effectively responsible for the stifling of political discussion because of it, and further that they're the ones who are complaining about the rules being what they are, or outright saying that exception ought to be made for them, as after all they're the "right wing" ones, and this is a "right wing" site.

My own understanding is that it's a site that enshrined freedom of expression over anything, and valued civil discourse. Am I too understand that those other users are right, and the site is intended primarily as a right wing "safe space" after all?

Discourse is the goal, yes. Some people are going to Chafe under the rules no matter what they are. If there is one thing I've learned it's to temper my expectations and idealism. Right now people are on edge due to wjats going on in the world and politics. Many feel they're being marginalized and ostracized by society at large. So they're naturally going to vent.

Then there is you. No offense, but from what little I've seen of your interactions here, you kind of come off as someone who is an agitator than someone actually seeking out people to talk to for debate and discussion.

Of course my standards of debate tend to be higher than most around here or on SB and SV. S'task has an even higher standard than me, so there is that.

 

[LTR]

Many of these discussions are besides the point.

This thread isn't meant to be an alternative 'Sietch Commentary Thread.'

 

[Megadeath]

Discourse is the goal, yes. Some people are going to Chafe under the rules no matter what they are. If there is one thing I've learned it's to temper my expectations and idealism. Right now people are on edge due to wjats going on in the world and politics. Many feel they're being marginalized and ostracized by society at large. So they're naturally going to vent.

Then there is you. No offense, but from what little I've seen of your interactions here, you kind of come off as someone who is an agitator than someone actually seeking out people to talk to for debate and discussion.

Of course my standards of debate tend to be higher than most around here or on SB and SV. S'task has an even higher standard than me, so there is that.

I resent the implication of that second paragraph, though I do appreciate the civility and of course you're entitled to your opinion. Everything I have said has been a true representation of my opinions and thoughts on the subject at hand, and I believe every post has been pertinent to the discussion of the thread it has been in. I am more than happy to defend each and every one, and I don't see a difference between posting where I know my views will be challenged, and seeking out debate and discussion. It seems to me that you're inherently inclined to view any poster who doesn't have inclinations that fit a certain mould as an agitator.

Many of these discussions are besides the point.

This thread isn't meant to be an alternative 'Sietch Commentary Thread.'

I would disagree, I think the central question of whether the Sietch is intended more as a place that values free discourse primarily, or if it's intended specifically as a "right wing" space is very pertinent to the idea of how things will be moving forward. Of course, if you're telling me to drop the discussion then of course I will, with apologies for the misunderstanding.