LifeisTiresome
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I need to find that video. I stumbled upon it and then lost the video
Greek Islanders on Lesbos Attack Police over new Migrant Center
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Terthna
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That's regressive leftism. They're the same sort of racists that, back in the day, tried to argue in favor of segregation. Heck, they're still arguing for segregation; it's just that for now, it is the minority that gets the nicer water fountain. Just like the right has always had issues with its religious fundamentalists trying to push their beliefs on everyone else, we on the left have always had issues with our racists trying to push theirs.
People forget that the KKK was started by, and membership always mostly consisted of, Democrats (they honored the first Grand Wizard of the Ku Klux Klan when he spoke at the 1868 Democratic National Convention; and don't even get me started on the bullhonky about the two parties having "flipped" sides at some point, because that never happened), not Republicans, and was often used by the former to influence elections against the latter. It's simply unfortunate that, while the right has managed to mostly suppress their authoritarian nut-jobs, the left has been essentially taken over by ours; and, like most sociopaths, they portray themselves as victims and heroes, while they act as if their actual victims are villains.
CarlManvers2019
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Tryglaw
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First deliberate genocide in XXth century, this being the mass murder of Armenians by Turks (with Kurds happily helping).
Turkey on this subject is kinda sorta like Japan about it's conduct in WW2.
PsihoKekec
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With Erdogan claiming it never happened and threathening Armenia that he will finish the job if they continue saying it happened.
All while making gurgling noises from his throat and scuttling about?
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
What about the classic crossed fingers hidden behind his back?
LifeisTiresome
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I am going to say something that may well be deemed as controversial so I wish to state some things clearly.
1] I'm not Turkish. I'm an an outsider to the Turkish-Armenia situation.
2] Genocide is bad and evil.
Now, my point.
From wikipedia:
Taner Akcam has written the following:[33]
According to Fatma Müge Göçek, many Turkish journalists have viewed the issue of recognition as "an imposition on the Turkish state and society, one that would solely benefit the Armenians". In one editorial a Turkish journalist wrote "If you once acknowledge, then see what will happen next? From demands for restitution to land...".[34]
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One needs to look at the West and see that it has massive problems coming from self-hatred and white guilt. Turkey seems to be going the route of wanting to avoid all this. What benefit does Turkey get from agreeing that it was a genocide is how they see things. The answer is nothing. It will become a source of crying for reparations and demands for this action and that action to rectify it along with possibilities of leftists now trying to guilt you into self-annihilation.
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Morphic Tide
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In other words, denying the Armenian Genocide is an economic policy, not a political one, as it's predicated on the general trends of recognized atrocities never being forgiven as inherited blame making it so such recognition amounts to nothing but a perpetual bone-anchor.
...The fact that this is reasonable is excellent Clown World meme-fuel.
...The fact that this is reasonable is excellent Clown World meme-fuel.
Duke Nukem
Hail to the king baby
Greece should call up Serbia to remove kebab.
One needs only to look at Japan who did repeatenly apologized for the things they did in the 2. World War, and yet the various nations surrounding keep dragging it up, or claim the apologies weren't severe enough.
List of war apology statements issued by Japan - Wikipedia
en.wikipedia.org
The lesson learned in this is; never apolgize on a national scale, never acknowledge any wrongdoings, flip the middle finger and tell the other to suck a lemon.
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
That works well enough as a reason.
A nation can only apologise enough before they get taken advantage of.
A nation can only apologise enough before they get taken advantage of.
CarlManvers2019
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Look at what’s become of Germany, I think they managed to extend this thinking to other european nations with the help of Americans who are really sad over black slavery and native americans
With some old conflicts, a simple acknowledgement that wrong was done is sufficient to lay things to rest. But on the other hand, there are some types of people in this fallen world to whom one should never apologize, even if you have genuinely wronged them, because they will simply treat that as an admission of guilt that they can use as a weapon against you.
The West would, in my opinion, be far better off completely rejecting the whole concept of collective guilt. As would everyone else.
What the Ottomans did to the Armenians was evil and wrong, but no, modern-day Turks are not to blame for something that happened a century ago.
CarlManvers2019
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TLR Greece isn’t backing down, and we might see an acceleration towards the collapse of the EU.
What portion of Greece is against the migrants, given that even their democrats don't want em?
Pretty much only commies and extreme fanboys of the Brussels establishment.
Gov’t under strain over migrants, poll shows skepticism | eKathimerini.com
The Greek government is under growing strain over immigration amid ongoing protests against plans to create at least 10 closed pre-departure centers across the country coupled with a delay in the disbursement of European Union funds for that purpose.
www.ekathimerini.com
Surveys Says Vast Majority of Greeks See Immigrants as a Burden
A survey in the eighteen countries which host half of the world’s migrants found that Greeks are the most skeptical of all about immigrants, with 74 percent of the population viewing them as a burden. According to a 2018 Pew Research Center survey which was published on Thursday, only ten...
greece.greekreporter.com
Erwin_Pommel
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Anyone found any interesting cover-up takes concerning the fact an army of young men are trying to ram down the gates of the Greek border like it's 1260?
It's a sudden turn on the deal EU had with Turkey, so the establishment(s) are probably still deciding on what line to take.
The usual suspects on the other hand spout out the same line they always have.
Over 75 NGOs demand EU’s support at Greek border, islands decongestion - Keep Talking Greece
In an open letter to European Commission, European Council and heads of member states, over 70 NGOs
www.keeptalkinggreece.com