Gun Political Issues Megathread. (Control for or Against?)

[Sailor.X]

Well yeah, she will go home to her own country, thats how foreign correspondants work. You go to a country, be a journalist, then go home when you are done. But going after the messenger is a good way to avoid actually answering her.
Also amusingly the reporter works for the British version of Fox, owned by the same people.

I'm sure she's also aware that the US has approximately 70% more knife murders than the UK has looking at recent stats, and that in the last 20 years UK mass stabbings have been extremely rare compared to American Mass shootings and have accounted for Ten people. Ten dead from mass stabbings in twenty years. Half as many death as that single Texas school shooting a few weeks back.
We just don't have 20 people getting stabbed to death in a supermarket. It doesn't happen, and there has never been a school mass stabbing. Just has never happened.

I'm sure it makes her feel good to dismiss such comments and pretend everywhere else in the civilised world has the same problems as America, is suffering as much and is just as divided and hate filled as her people are. They aren't, and you are being lied to constantly by people like this and the right wing media.

Don't applaud hostility, ignorance and deceit on the part of your leaders. Make them solve your problems one way or another, because shitloads of murders is a problem and it needs some sort of solution whatever that may be. Hold them to account and make them do their job, which is serving the country not owning the libs.

Well to be fair the UK also doesn't have these things in the wild in their country.

Kodiak Bear

Grizzly Bear

Mountain Lions. This animal has been in my yard a few times.

Black Bear

Jaguar

Coyote Packs

Alligators. And this particular animal is just a half mile from my house.

A lot of foreigners forget we American not only have the largest land Carnivore on the planet in our country. But also the 3rd Largest Big Cat prowling around in Arizona, New Mexico and Texas. I have friends that have seen the things in their areas. If the UK had anything larger than a fox to deal with they would not ask why Americans love guns.

 

[Zachowon]

@Harlock at least we can defend ourselves in no go areas

 

[Captain X]

We also don't have nearly as many acid attacks.

 

[Zachowon]

We also don't have nearly as many acid attacks.

And at least our police will stop rape gangs if they arnt celebrities instead of turning a blind eye.
Hate it or love ot the cops do stop that

 

[BlackDragon98]

And at least our police will stop rape gangs if they arnt celebrities instead of turning a blind eye.
Hate it or love ot the cops do stop that

you ninja'd me

I was about to mention the fact that at least an American woman can defend herself against a rapist.

because police are about as useful as a lump of shit these days.

 

[Harlock]

I didn't say ban guns. Go back and have a read, not anywhere in this thread have I said ban guns. Like sailor bro says you got wild animals and you have a big country where you could be six hours from the nearest help.
I didn't say ban guns, I said make them find a solution. I'm not going to tell you what the solution is because it isn't my business, that is their job. Your job is to make sure they are doing it and not blowing hot air.


But look what happens, because I criticise her you instantly think I am 100% against what this thread is for, that I want to ban guns when I have said no such thing. Your reaction isn't to see what I'm saying it is to go straight to hostility, to attack instead of engage.

Which is exactly what I was pointing out. How do you get anywhere when your response is not even to read my position, but to immediately attack with any ammo you have. You don't want to talk, you want to attack and drive out any opinion not on your side

so sincerely go fuck yourselves.

 

[Bacle]

I didn't say ban guns. Go back and have a read, not anywhere in this thread have I said ban guns. Like sailor bro says you got wild animals and you have a big country where you could be six hours from the nearest help.
I didn't say ban guns, I said make them find a solution. I'm not going to tell you what the solution is because it isn't my business, that is their job. Your job is to make sure they are doing it and not blowing hot air.


But look what happens, because I criticise her you instantly think I am 100% against what this thread is for, that I want to ban guns when I have said no such thing. Your reaction isn't to see what I'm saying it is to go straight to hostility, to attack instead of engage.

Which is exactly what I was pointing out. How do you get anywhere when your response is not even to read my position, but to immediately attack with any ammo you have. You don't want to talk, you want to attack and drive out any opinion not on your side

so sincerely go fuck yourselves.

We want Euro's like you to stop lecturing us on our domestic issues, and maybe clean up your own houses before ragging on the 'colonials'.

But Brits and Euro's being prissy, uptight, nosy pricks who feel it is there job to stick their noses in US domestic affairs seems to be all the rage these days, thanks to Megan and Harry.

 

[Harlock]

We want Euro's like you to stop lecturing us on our domestic issues, and maybe clean up your own houses before ragging on the 'colonials'.

But Brits and Euro's being prissy, uptight, nosy pricks who feel it is there job to stick their noses in US domestic affairs seems to be all the rage these days, thanks to Megan and Harry.

Am I saying anything controversial? You have a violence problem, you need a solution, you need to make sure your politicians find one. The same is true for every country on the planet, mine, yours, all of them.
I haven't told you to ban your guns because it works for us, I know there are different circumstances. I am here to defend my home from ignorant twitter hacks, not even from you guys, I'm correcting falsehoods and yeah, that woman was wrong.

But this hostility, and its not even about what I'm saying, I haven't called your country shit or backwards like I guess some do. Judge me by what I actually say, not what other people who live within 5,000 miles of me say.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

And at least our police will stop rape gangs if they arnt celebrities instead of turning a blind eye.
Hate it or love ot the cops do stop that

Hell, they even stop celebrity rape gangs when those celebrities are ugly or passed their prime

I didn't say ban guns. Go back and have a read, not anywhere in this thread have I said ban guns. Like sailor bro says you got wild animals and you have a big country where you could be six hours from the nearest help.

Honestly, even 4 minutes from a hospital and you're still boned. I spent some of my teen years near one of the largest private hospitals in South Florida. Literally two blocks from its nicer, quieter suburb entrance and one of my neighbors still bled out because he stupidly decided to shoo away a fucking 9 foot alligator and the thing basically latched onto his hips via his crotch bit down and spun until he ripped all the veins and muscle out and pulverized his pelvis.

I didn't see that or hear that thank God...My brother did though, blood stain was still on the street when I got back from football practice though.

This is also why Americans put so much emphasis on keeping dogs by the way. They may not be able to fight off bears, but a bunch of fanatically loyal, loud barking things will make most animals decide its not worth the hassle

But Brits and Euro's being prissy, uptight, nosy pricks who feel it is there job to stick their noses in US domestic affairs seems to be all the rage these days, thanks to Megan and Harry.

I get the frustration, South Americans do it too and I laugh because I'm like "Look in my home country we lost the right to self defense because we let a bunch of wokesters before woke was even a thing in the US pass "Abuse of self defense laws"

And if you want an example of how asinine those are @bullethead @Zachowon @Captain X my former neighbor was charged with "abuse of self Defense Manslaughter" because two teenagers broke into his house...two teenagers with multiple rapes in their rap sheet. Who got pardoned because a Judge decided "it would violate their human rights" to throw them in jail. Decided to try and kill his bed ridden wife and his two daughters.

So he unloaded with a shotgun right?

But you see..the crooks "only" had two snub nosed revolvers one was a .32 forget what the other caliber was...prolly .32 as well.

Point is because he used a shotty and they had Friday night specials that was "Abuse of self defense'

Mind ye, South America went the other way in self defense too.

For example in the 70's it was legal to skin home invaders alive and nail their hides to a post in your front lawn to deter other home invaders.

This was decided in a landmark case where a Judge went "Yeah flaying is cool, but its a sanitation violation to leave dead bugler skin on your porch until it spoils"

But I also get Harlock's position because Piers Morgan aside, most Brits don't shit on us for having guns, it's usually the Frogs and the Krauts who do that shit.

How many of the R senators, that voted for this, are retiring or not being reelected this year?

I think all of them.

Am I saying anything controversial? You have a violence problem, you need a solution, you need to make sure your politicians find one.

The solution, appears to be "Let the citizenry intercede on its own behalf." like the absolute farce that was the Uvalde slaughter was only allowed to happen because for some deeply...disturbing and "unknown" (Re the left needed a gun control vote before they get smashed at the polls. And butthurt rinos wanted to castigate their voters so they had the FBI stage another massacre) reason...the existing Government response was not available because they did nothing.

Should Schizos be allowed to get guns? No prolly not until they're on their happy pills no.

But Americans trusting some obese danger haired "enby" therapist to determine whose schizo is like Mohammed and Aliyah agreeing to allow their children to assimilate into modern English society when the only direct example of English society they interact with is this bearded hambeast tranny from the social services office.

We need to overhall our entire damn system, pull down ivory towers and knock down a few institutions then rebuild them from the ground up before we move against the first and second amendment.

or to tldr it: I agree with you, but we got a lot to do before we can trust those clowns in DC to do anything that won't make it all worse.

 

[Harlock]

I even said specifically you shouldn't listen to people telling you how to run your country when they don't understand the circumstances I specifically said that, I agree with that sentiment, I'm not fighting people on that point I agree with it!

I get that most of the time you are debating the hard left and sure, maybe you can't engage with them and have an honest talk. It's personal, its your future, of course you'll be defensive because they are hostile to you.

I am not one of them, the world isn't just two camps and if you aren't with us you must be the far left. Well I'm not one of you, and I'm not one of them, and I don't have any personal stake in the political or cultural outcomes of your country. You don't have to fight me because it isn't a fight, if I'm wrong prove me wrong, if I'm right understand that me being right does not mean your enemies have scored points.

 

[Bacle]

Am I saying anything controversial?

You are when it comes to American domestic politics, and you know you are; you just want to stick your "us Brit's are more civilized than you colonials" bit into this argument, at the same time Justice Thomas pretty much just gutted/rendered unConstitutional a large amount of the restrictive gun laws in Blue state's.

If it was anyone else, I'd say you were trolling, but this is just you being an stuck-up Brit and trying to lecture us about what is the 'best' for our country, just like Megan And Harry have repeatedly and just like so many other Brits on line like to do as well.

You have a violence problem, you need a solution, you need to make sure your politicians find one.

You see, you have to prove to us there is a 'violence problem' first.

Because it's not a 'violence problem' the US has, it's a 'no insane asylums to stick crazy people in' in problem, a 'single parent households create messed up kids' problem, and a 'illegal immigration' problem.

You just harp on guns and now knives because you have no respect for why the US has a 2nd Amendment, probably because it is partly the result of kicking you Brits out, and think we should be a 'civilized' nation like Britain.

The same is true for every country on the planet, mine, yours, all of them.

Only reasonable thing you've said thus far.

I haven't told you to ban your guns because it works for us, I know there are different circumstances. I am here to defend my home from ignorant twitter hacks, not even from you guys, I'm correcting falsehoods and yeah, that woman was wrong.

No, she wasn't wrong, she just has no pateince for foreign reporters of any stripe trying to throw shade on 2A issues or trying to lecture us about how much more 'civilized' you Euro's are.

But this hostility, and its not even about what I'm saying, I haven't called your country shit or backwards like I guess some do. Judge me by what I actually say, not what other people who live within 5,000 miles of me say.

You came out to defend a Brit reporter sticking her nose in US Constitutional issues and getting pushback from MTG for it, then start acting like what goes on in Britain matters worth a damn to what our Constitution says/means and how that plays out in our domestic scene.

And you do it just as Thomas comes out to gut the blue state restrictions that make them more 'civilized' than red states when it comes to firearms.

So yeah, the hostility is because you picked a crap time to try to defend a dumbass reporter and then decided what happens in Britain, or anywhere else in the world really, matters at all when it comes to US Constitutional issues.

We made that Constitution to get free from you Brits, so your whole country has no room to speak on issues relating matters around it. Particularly when it's to just imply we shouldn't push back against Euro's sticking their nose's in affairs that do not concern them.

 

[Harlock]

You are when it comes to American domestic politics, and you know you are; you just want to stick your "us Brit's are more civilized than you colonials" bit into this argument, at the same time Justice Thomas pretty much just gutted/rendered unConstitutional a large amount of the restrictive gun laws in Blue state's.

If it was anyone else, I'd say you were trolling, but this is just you being an stuck-up Brit and trying to lecture us about what is the 'best' for our country, just like Megan And Harry have repeatedly and just like so many other Brits on line like to do as well.
You see, you have to prove to us there is a 'violence problem' first.

I haven't called you uncivilised at all, where did I say that? Where did I say my people are better than yours? You are reading stuff into this which I haven't said, and that I have specifically said the opposite about!

Also Harry is Megans puppet, he's hated here by his own father and brother. He does what his American wife tells him because she manipulated the fuck out of him, used him for clout, then dumped all her responsibilities.

Ah fuck this shit, this is absolutely crazy fuckery you are pulling out of thin air because of where I live, not what I have said. I genuinely thought better of you and went to bat for you when others gunned for you on SB

falling in with this crowd was a mistake from day one. Murica fuck yeah

 

[Bacle]

I haven't called you uncivilised at all, where did I say that? Where did I say my people are better than yours? You are reading stuff into this which I haven't said, and that I have specifically said the opposite about!

Also Harry is Megans puppet, he's hated here by his own father and brother. He does what his American wife tells him because she manipulated the fuck out of him, used him for clout, then dumped all her responsibilities.

Ah fuck this shit, this is absolutely crazy fuckery you are pulling out of thin air because of where I live, not what I have said. I genuinely thought better of you and went to bat for you when others gunned for you on SB

falling in with this crowd was a mistake from day one. Murica fuck yeah

I'm sure it makes her feel good to dismiss such comments and pretend everywhere else in the civilised world has the same problems as America, is suffering as much and is just as divided and hate filled as her people are.

Bolded for emphasis.

You didn't say you wanted to ban guns, and I never said you did, but you definitely tried the 'Well, other civilized nations..." card in regards to this debate.

I do appreciate when you stuck up for me on SB. But it doesn't change how you came across when you included the bolded line, and when it comes for foreigners sticking their noses in 2A and Constitutional issues in general, I'll get nationalistic about it.

 

[Harlock]

Bolded for emphasis.

You didn't say you wanted to ban guns, and I never said you did, but you definitely tried the 'Well, other civilized nations..." card in regards to this debate.

I do appropriate when you stuck up for me on SB. But it doesn't change how you came across when you included the bolded line, and when it comes for foreigners sticking their noses in 2A and Constitutional issues in general, I'll get nationalistic about it.

Yes, everywhere else in the civilised world would include America! That the civilised world all share the same problems. That's not excluding America, its ranking them all together and saying they are not the same, they have different circumstances which is the entire point.

Next time I'll say developed world, or first world, but the point was absolutely not to seperate the US. You are of course part of that group, I wouldn't have worked with Americans for so many years if I didn't have respect for them

If it is my fault for not being clear than I'll own that. But it is not the position I hold or have ever held.

 

[Spartan303]

I tend to listen to Harlock when he makes a point. The guy is very level headed. Bacle, I'm asking you nicely to actually engage his points and talk civilly. He is not attacking you.

And my question to you is, if you can't handle a conversation and disagreement with someone like Harlock, who generally agrees with us on principle, then how are you going to handle someone more hostile?

 

[Harlock]

It's cool man, I haven't even got anything to argue, there isn't contention, I wasn't even defending the reporters opinions. I was having ago at the politician because she shit talked my country, and I think anyone here would do the same.

But nah, not thrilled with the hostility. This is what we tried to stop on SB and frankly what I threw away twenty fucking years of rep to stand with. I could have been a fucking admin by now Instead I'm getting shat on for stuff I didn't even say by the people I actually tried to defend.

So yeah, done. It has taken a while but I get Zoe now. It was personal for her but not for me, now though it is personal.

 

[The Immortal Watch Dog]

I'm confused, usually I'm the one going nuclear but I saw what Harlock meant from the word go.

Didn't see any attempt to undermine or grandstand for what little it's worth.

 

[Spartan303]

you ninja'd me

I was about to mention the fact that at least an American woman can defend herself against a rapist.

because police are about as useful as a lump of shit these days.

This shit is unfucking called for. Fact, we have a human trafficking problem in this nation. The fact they just happen to correspond with Democrat controlled counties, while it might mean something to Americans in the left/right debate, means jack and shit to everyone else who doesn't understand our politics. Because Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative, its a stain on us all.

We cant secure our fucking border. Britain has no such problems there. Our elections are now suspect due to past cheating. That's on us. There are gangs who operate as criminal armies and operate virtually unopposed as they run drugs and people across state and federal lines. You can bet they're doing some bad things to the people they traffic.

Seriously, all this emotionally driven mudslinging has got to stop. Some of ya'll acting like the very leftists ya'll claim to oppose.

It's cool man, I haven't even got anything to argue, there isn't contention, I wasn't even defending the reporters opinions. I was having ago at the politician because she shit talked my country, and I think anyone here would do the same.

But nah, not thrilled with the hostility. This is what we tried to stop on SB and frankly what I threw away twenty fucking years of rep to stand with. I could have been a fucking admin by now Instead I'm getting shat on for stuff I didn't even say by the people I actually tried to defend.

So yeah, done. It has taken a while but I get Zoe now. It was personal for her but not for me, now though it is personal.

I'm still asking you to stay, cause I feel you contribute a lot to the boards. A good debate is needed. But emotional mudslinging and insults are not called for.

 

[Bacle]

Yes, everywhere else in the civilised world would include America! That the civilised world all share the same problems.

Except your other posts make it seem like you feel the US has a bigger problem with gun and knives as sources of the 'violence problem' compared to at least Britain, so the US isn't the same as other 'civilized nations' in that regard.

That's not excluding America, its ranking them all together and saying they are not the same, they have different circumstances which is the entire point.

Yet just the sentence above you said we all had the same problems, and treated the crime stats comparisons like an apple's to apple's comparisons in previous posts. Yet you also knowledge that different circumstance's exist, but don't seem to factor that into the crime stat comparison.

Next time I'll say developed world, or first world, but the point was absolutely not to seperate the US. You are of course part of that group, I wouldn't have worked with Americans for so many years if I didn't have respect for them

If it is my fault for not being clear than I'll own that. But it is not the position I hold or have ever held.

The problem is the way you worded the post did come across in a rather "MTG was wrong for telling a Euro to go back home/stay out of 2A/Constitutional issues, and it's fine for the reporter to stick her nose in it because she's from the UK's FOX equivalent so she wouldn't even be partisan". Doesn't matter if that is her job as a reporter, no foreign media or power has a place in debates around the US Constitution, and a lot of American's get hostile when foreigners do stick their nose in those issues. If they want to report on what US media and such say, that's fine, but it is not their place to be trying to get into verbal sparing with people like MTG over Constitutional issues.

I think it would probably be better for non-American's to just generally stay clear of debates centered on US Constitutional issues, both in the case on online and televised circumstances. Because no foreign context matters when it comes to those issues, and foreign press (like the lady in the video) really should not be trying to get soundbites regarding it or try to lecture US lawmakers about it.

I understand you probably did not realize how that line came across, however you do need to understand there is a lot of history of Europeans and Brits trying to talk down to the US regarding the 2nd Amendment and Constitutional issues in general. Which is why MTG reacted the way she did, and why people here got hostile to your defense of said reporter.

I tend to listen to Harlock when he makes a point. The guy is very level headed. Bacle, I'm asking you nicely to actually engage his points and talk civilly. He is not attacking you.

And my question to you is, if you can't handle a conversation and disagreement with someone like Harlock, who generally agrees with us on principle, then how are you going to handle someone more hostile?

I'm trying to be civil, and that's why I'm trying to explain to Harlock why his posts have generated hostility.

If I just wanted to rage at him and ignore what he said, I wouldn't be trying to help him understand how it looked from the other side.

And as for dealing with someone more hostile, well...do you want me to pull up the posts I've had with a certain piece of cooked explosive or a certain tankie(s)?

It's cool man, I haven't even got anything to argue, there isn't contention, I wasn't even defending the reporters opinions. I was having ago at the politician because she shit talked my country, and I think anyone here would do the same.

Except it very much felt like you were both taking a shit on MTG and defending the reporter.

If that was not your intention, it was not evident in how you posted initially.

But nah, not thrilled with the hostility. This is what we tried to stop on SB and frankly what I threw away twenty fucking years of rep to stand with. I could have been a fucking admin by now Instead I'm getting shat on for stuff I didn't even say by the people I actually tried to defend.

As I said, that bolded line set a tone, even if you didn't mean for it to.

So yeah, done. It has taken a while but I get Zoe now. It was personal for her but not for me, now though it is personal.

If calling out what seemed to be Brit/Euro snobbery/condescension regarding 2A/Constitutional issues has soured you here to the same degree that Zoe got soured after the 2020 election was stolen, well...I'm sorry you feel that way, and I hope you understand that what I am trying to do is show you why you triggered the hostility.

 

[BlackDragon98]

This shit is unfucking called for. Fact, we have a human trafficking problem in this nation. The fact they just happen to correspond with Democrat controlled counties, while it might mean something to Americans in the left/right debate, means jack and shit to everyone else who doesn't understand our politics. Because Democrat or Republican, Liberal or Conservative, its a stain on us all.

"because police are about as useful as a lump of shit these days"

Does Uvalde, Texas ring a bell?

Does the Freedom Convoy protest ring a bell?

The police will obey their paychecks. It is known.

"an American woman can defend herself against a rapist"

Americans have the right to conceal carry (in a normal state at least), allowing them to defend themselves.

how the heck did you link up human trafficking with what I said?

I seriously confused.

We cant secure our fucking border.

because you guys have a brainless pedo in charge.

only 2 years ago, the border was good and shut.

Britain has no such problems there.

hahaha.

How many people cross the Channel in small boats? - BBC News

Channel Tunnel: '2,000 migrants' tried to enter - BBC News

they also just ship in illegals into the heart of the UK.

https://www.youtube.com/c/HistoryDebunkedsimonwebb/videos

above is good channel for all UK related shit. watch it before its gone forever.