Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

I mean...how many war crimes did your US armed forces committed in countries you occupy? Or countries that you weren't even at war?

As your quotes confirms it :

"Ideals are peaceful. History is violent."
Fury

American military RECENT history is no different.
*Looks at the last 20 years and the very few war crimes. Also notice treaties signed and not signed by thr US*

We committed very few on purpose.
Most are accidental.

Yes a few in ww2 happens, but everyone did during that.

And ww1, we got accused of them.
 
US invaded Iraq. US sponsored a regime change in Syria. Nicaragua wanted to overthrow a US-backed dictator (and unfortunatly ended up with another thanks to US idiot policy in LATAM) and the US backed even worse people.

So no, those are direct results of the US idiot foreign policy.
The US fought wars, and people died.

Some instances around the edges, against policy and doctrine, of mistreatment of prisoners, unacceptable callousness towards collateral damage, etc.


Vs the enemies who...


Open policies of rape, targeting and slaughtering civilians in bulk, gleeful torture, explicit attempts at genocide, etc.


The US is not perfect. But any attempt to draw a false moral equivalency between its flawed actions as world hegemon, and the utter horrors that its rivals and enemies are usually very open about intending to implement if they could, tells me that you are not approaching the issue rationally.

Look, based on your posting history, it isn't hard to see that you feel deeply betrayed by first the nation of your birth, then the nation that you tried to adopt. It's clear you see how flawed the international order is, and you resent it.

That is not unreasonable.

What is unreasonable, is how you've allowed these things to break your rationality, and taken stances based on spite and vindictiveness, rather than a sober perception of the world as it is, or even an attempt to build it into something better. Advocating for everything in the west to be torn down by evil tyrants in the east is not going to help anything, even if the west is increasingly morally corrupt.
 
I mean, US didn't cause the destruction of Aleppo.
The US also restricted as many casualties of civilians they could in Iraq.

The people we fought in these wars though?
They see all of us, European, American, the same way.
Enemies.
Russia sees all of Europe as thiers once again.
China sees all of Asia as thiers.
Islam sees the world that is not Islam as thiers.
Welcome to the world we live in where the only people who don't actively hate you, are as woerd as it may seem.
The natives if your own country.
Sure we can be heavily divided politically like here in the US, but majority if leftists won't ostracize someone for thier politics.
The vocal minority speaks up.

But there are nations out there that want to destroy everything you love.
And they have spent decades making sire the people in power in thr west got as bad as they have so they can operate.
Do you think Russia or China armt happy with what is going on in the west?
They are authoritative governments that want to see nothing but total dominance of thier spheres, and the world with China's interest.

Unless we all decide to be second class citizens to the Muscovites or the Han, or we all switch to following Islam.
 
I mean, US didn't cause the destruction of Aleppo.
The US also restricted as many casualties of civilians they could in Iraq.

The people we fought in these wars though?
They see all of us, European, American, the same way.
Enemies.
Russia sees all of Europe as thiers once again.
China sees all of Asia as thiers.
Islam sees the world that is not Islam as thiers.
Welcome to the world we live in where the only people who don't actively hate you, are as woerd as it may seem.
The natives if your own country.
Sure we can be heavily divided politically like here in the US, but majority if leftists won't ostracize someone for thier politics.
The vocal minority speaks up.

But there are nations out there that want to destroy everything you love.
And they have spent decades making sire the people in power in thr west got as bad as they have so they can operate.
Do you think Russia or China armt happy with what is going on in the west?
They are authoritative governments that want to see nothing but total dominance of thier spheres, and the world with China's interest.

Unless we all decide to be second class citizens to the Muscovites or the Han, or we all switch to following Islam.
The problem is, many in DC would be ok with Han domination, or even Islamic domination, so long as they remain the figureheads/vassals for said interests and retain their standard of living.

The Right is infil'd by Russian agents, the Left is controlled by the CCP, and the Libertarians want to pretend the world outside the US borders doesn't matter.
 


Hopefully the Israeli's will deal with the Houthi's in a more permanent fashion than the US has been willing to.
 
The problem is, many in DC would be ok with Han domination, or even Islamic domination, so long as they remain the figureheads/vassals for said interests and retain their standard of living.

The Right is infil'd by Russian agents, the Left is controlled by the CCP, and the Libertarians want to pretend the world outside the US borders doesn't matter.
And the military looks at both and sighs
 
And the military looks at both and sighs
How do you think it feels as someone who first ever voted R because of Trump, and then watched it all spiral out of control while still trying to handle the loss of a parent while aiding another, while losing most offline friends because I dared to support Trump openly and question MSM shit.

It's...sanity never reigned, the 90's I grew up in, but you are too young to know...and knowing how much of what everyone I know's plan for the future has devolved considerably since 2001, and really even that image was because my generation were born just before the wall fell, but too young to understand the Cold War we were born into the end/half-time of.

We never planned for a possible WW3 in our 30's, with front in multiple places, including the America's. Maduro deciding to play fuck-fuck games with Guyana after these attacks happened in Israel, and with Russia still being allowed (by western domestic stupidity more than any battlefield tactic) to keep trying to occupy more of Ukraine every day.

All we need is either/both Taiwan and the Korean Peninsula ging up, and we got a full set.

It says something about the times when North Korea doing something monumentally stupid is actually low on the list of potential flash points.
 
It's...sanity never reigned, the 90's I grew up in, but you are too young to know...and knowing how much of what everyone I know's plan for the future has devolved considerably since 2001, and really even that image was because my generation were born just before the wall fell, but too young to understand the Cold War we were born into the end/half-time of.
This is one of those things a lot of even former leftist have trouble grasping: even in the 90s the Democrats and Mainstream Media were Corrupt Bad Guys.

There were MASSIVE scandals regarding Clinton and how he sold technology and industry to China. He also was the one who decoupled human rights reviews to maintaining trade with China as well as pushed for Most Favored Nation status for China. There was all kinda of dirty money links between Clinton and China that the nascent right wing media of the 90s tried to get out to people... but were studiously ignored or downplayed by the mainstream media, who instead focused on Clinton's sex scandals. Many think that the sex scandals were the primary thing the Republicans disliked Clinton for... no, they disliked Clinton for a long, LONG list of corruption issues but the only thing the media would run with that caused enough noise was the sex scandals. Not the Clintons laundering money from foreign countries to use in their campaigns. Not Clinton selling out secrets to the Chinese. No, the media focused on the damn blowjob and Clinton lying about it.

Ask yourself why?

I think you know the answer. Said scandal was purposefully focused on BECAUSE it was the least bad thing Clinton did. Because the media could turn it around against Republicans and make THEM look bad. Because at the end of the day, lying about a blowjob made Clinton look like a regular joe and raised sympathy for him. Heck, the joke at the time was that Clinton's biggest issue wasn't the perjury or even the blowjob, it was his taste in women as Lewinsky well, she's not unattractive but she's not "risk your career and marriage for a blowjob in the office" levels of hot.

You also had all the race baiting and race extremism excusing going on in the Democratic party and the media. The Rodney King riots were a prime example of this, as was the entire dialogue around the OJ Simpson trial and so many other things people have forgotten about.

People remember the 90s with rose tinted glasses, but the decade opened with a war in the Middle East and closed with the Infatada. People remember it as a period of prosperity, but it was the 90s that saw the complete collapse of the Rust Belt and the first rumblings of the discontent of the Blue Collar and Forgotten Men of America with the rise of Rose Perot in 1992 and '96. They also forget that the Tech Bubble burst under Clinton, and that there was almost annual government shutdowns due to feuding between the Republican congress and Democratic President over the budget (and then they give CLINTON credit for balancing the budget even though it was the Republicans in the House who actually reigned in spending and set the budgets that were balanced).

The only thing that has developed for those of us paying attention to how things were unfolding in the 90s is that we didn't expect 9/11. That was the Black Swan event. The rise of China, conflicts in the Middle East, the conflicts over illegal immigration, the death of the Rust Belt, the ongoing racial tensions, the rise of the LGBT and the collapse of the family and birth rates... all long foreseen by many in America going back decades, or even happening at the time.

For me, personally, the only true devolution of my future plans was that I had hoped and planned to live in Virginia all my life, but thanks to Obama and the massive expansion of the Federal government poisoning much of the northern parts of the Old Dominion, I think in the long term I will have to flee to West Virginia or Tennessee in order to live in a place I don't feel like a stranger to the culture and morals I hold dear...
 
This is one of those things a lot of even former leftist have trouble grasping: even in the 90s the Democrats and Mainstream Media were Corrupt Bad Guys.

There were MASSIVE scandals regarding Clinton and how he sold technology and industry to China. He also was the one who decoupled human rights reviews to maintaining trade with China as well as pushed for Most Favored Nation status for China. There was all kinda of dirty money links between Clinton and China that the nascent right wing media of the 90s tried to get out to people... but were studiously ignored or downplayed by the mainstream media, who instead focused on Clinton's sex scandals. Many think that the sex scandals were the primary thing the Republicans disliked Clinton for... no, they disliked Clinton for a long, LONG list of corruption issues but the only thing the media would run with that caused enough noise was the sex scandals. Not the Clintons laundering money from foreign countries to use in their campaigns. Not Clinton selling out secrets to the Chinese. No, the media focused on the damn blowjob and Clinton lying about it.

Ask yourself why?

I think you know the answer. Said scandal was purposefully focused on BECAUSE it was the least bad thing Clinton did. Because the media could turn it around against Republicans and make THEM look bad. Because at the end of the day, lying about a blowjob made Clinton look like a regular joe and raised sympathy for him. Heck, the joke at the time was that Clinton's biggest issue wasn't the perjury or even the blowjob, it was his taste in women as Lewinsky well, she's not unattractive but she's not "risk your career and marriage for a blowjob in the office" levels of hot.

You also had all the race baiting and race extremism excusing going on in the Democratic party and the media. The Rodney King riots were a prime example of this, as was the entire dialogue around the OJ Simpson trial and so many other things people have forgotten about.

People remember the 90s with rose tinted glasses, but the decade opened with a war in the Middle East and closed with the Infatada. People remember it as a period of prosperity, but it was the 90s that saw the complete collapse of the Rust Belt and the first rumblings of the discontent of the Blue Collar and Forgotten Men of America with the rise of Rose Perot in 1992 and '96. They also forget that the Tech Bubble burst under Clinton, and that there was almost annual government shutdowns due to feuding between the Republican congress and Democratic President over the budget (and then they give CLINTON credit for balancing the budget even though it was the Republicans in the House who actually reigned in spending and set the budgets that were balanced).

The only thing that has developed for those of us paying attention to how things were unfolding in the 90s is that we didn't expect 9/11. That was the Black Swan event. The rise of China, conflicts in the Middle East, the conflicts over illegal immigration, the death of the Rust Belt, the ongoing racial tensions, the rise of the LGBT and the collapse of the family and birth rates... all long foreseen by many in America going back decades, or even happening at the time.

For me, personally, the only true devolution of my future plans was that I had hoped and planned to live in Virginia all my life, but thanks to Obama and the massive expansion of the Federal government poisoning much of the northern parts of the Old Dominion, I think in the long term I will have to flee to West Virginia or Tennessee in order to live in a place I don't feel like a stranger to the culture and morals I hold dear...
This is all true, however one thing does unite most American's, something that multiple countries have learned in painful fashion, is DON'T FUCK WITH OUR BOATS.



The Houthi's are now going to try to blockade the Bab Al-Mandab Strait against Israeli shipping, or just ships going to ISraeli ports, and have been shooting at our boats a lot.

That line about the US being '50 war tribes in a overcoat' is something that I think the Houthi's and maybe Iran about to learn is not really a joke.
 
War was inevitable once 2014 was allowed to happen in Ukraine, and Xi took power in China.
 
This is all true, however one thing does unite most American's, something that multiple countries have learned in painful fashion, is DON'T FUCK WITH OUR BOATS.



The Houthi's are now going to try to blockade the Bab Al-Mandab Strait against Israeli shipping, or just ships going to ISraeli ports, and have been shooting at our boats a lot.

That line about the US being '50 war tribes in a overcoat' is something that I think the Houthi's and maybe Iran about to learn is not really a joke.


oh wow these idiots are fucked.

This isn't just pissing off the US this is fucking with every one in the region, yeah these guys are fucked.
 
oh wow these idiots are fucked.

This isn't just pissing off the US this is fucking with every one in the region, yeah these guys are fucked.
Of course they are - they live in Jemen,after all.You mean,that they would be even more fucked,right?
 
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I didn't say we should be doing it,I said we lost yo ourselves not the enemy because that's literally what happened
True - becouse USA is led by enemy since at least 1989.So you would keep loosing till you get rid of your parasites which control your once great Republic.
 
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That’s putting it mildly. I remember hearing something about a neo-Nazi in Ukraine trying to deface an Icon and collapsing. I think he dropped dead on the spot, but it’s been a while since I saw the story.
Well that does make me much more favorable towards Israel on this issue. It's not 100 percent proof that Judaism is right or that Israel is always good in all things, but in definitely shows that God is not going to punish Israel here.
 

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