Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel
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Shipmaster Sane
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Oh Lord Jesus Christ deliver me from people who think the baby eating john carpenter monsters that run our society fear anything but the touch of fire.
Merciful Mary he still thinks it's going to stop.
All of society is threats of direct physical violence, suspended conditionally.
What they openly say and what they actually believe are two different things.
It's likely he was fence-sitting and, on seeing the other Arab nations around basically putting their hands up and backing away from this clusterfuck instead of rallying to Hamas' banner, has finally, publicly stated this as the official position because he "read the room", so-to-speak.
I have zero doubt that if surrounding nations joined in on attacking or at least openly stating support for the attacks on Israel, he'd be singing a different tune.
Regardless, while this may add some security to the border, I also have zero doubts that there are Palestinians on that side just itching for a chance to do something or slip into Gaza somehow.
Abbas has little to no control over Hezbollah, which is the threat on Israel's northern border; that is something where Iran pull the strings directly.
Also, the IDF and Hezbollah are already exchanging fire in the north, including air strikes on Hezbollah positions after they killed people on the Israel side with shelling.
I think the next few days, when Israel troops begin to enter fully into Gaza, will tell whether Hezbollah and the other jihadi's on the northern borders of Israel are going to enter the war fully or not
Still a good sign for the region if the West Bank stays out of the nonsense. There's even more Israeli settlements in the West Bank plus the far larger border with Israel proper there. Tamping down tensions their to the current low level of hostility is a good thing for Israel and regional stability in general.
Well here is what the Saudis think. It goes all the way back to their deal with Reagan. This is the deal between King Fahad and Reagan
Damn, he pretty much demolished them -- the Palestinians really are just outcasts, cast-offs, and appropriators to a false/fake legacy.
Now that is a fucking mistake. All they're doing is kicking the can down the road again for something even worse than this current clusterfuck to happen again.
Has Israel learned nothing?
The wording seems more interesting than that. Just because they don't want to, doesn't mean they won't. It was always obvious they don't want to, they didn't do the 2005 withdrawal unilaterally for the hell of it, that's how much they didn't want to occupy it, didn't even hold it to fish for concessions. Could be fishing for some sort of alternative option, like the above. Could have one ready. But if they do, and if that option will still be on the table when the dust falls, time will end.
I don't think Israel wants to be responsible for Gaza, they just do not want to be attacked by people in Gaza, and handing it to the PA is the most straightforward option besides indefinite occupation/annexation of it fully into Israel.
I too think that not annexing Gaza completely will make removing Hamas by the roots almost impossible in the long run, and may lead to this happening again 10-20 years from now.
I do not think Israel has any desire to spend the blood and treasure to fully annex and absorb Gaza, not with Hezbollah still a threat to their north.
Yeah, but usually for Arabs and Fatah, it's the other way round. They publicly say they want to murder all the Jews, but behind closed doors cut deals. To do it publicly in very noteworthy. My guess is that they may end up in control of Gaza, not a third party, unless Egypt offers (no chance in hell they offer, but if they did, Israel would be fools not to take it).
Absolutely not, at least in long term. But that's not a matter of what they like, it's a matter of what's the least bad option they have at the moment.
Could be that they have a deal with Fatah on the table, after all Fatah really aren't fans of Hamas since what happened to their presence in Gaza, as the saying goes civil wars are quite famous for not being civil, and it could have something to do with how quietly they are sitting right now.
Then again, it may take some serious deal cutting before anyone will volunteer to try their hand at running such a shitshow as Gaza is, nevermind will be when the war will be over.
I mean it feels like the US and Israel should really be leaning on Egypt to just take Gaza as part of Egypt already, but the Egyptians (understandably) do not want to be responsible for Gaza either.
And Jordan already knows what happens if they let Palestinians seek refuge in their nation.
Rumors are it was already offered last time. And when they got Sinai back too. Doubt Egypt changed its mind.
It's understandable why: As I've said numerous times, the Palestinians are viewed as nothing but useful cats' paws. They're not actually liked as a people, and at worst they're despised/hated.
If they all dropped dead suddenly through an act of god, I think the only thing people in the Middle-East would be worried about would be "holy shit, could that happen to us?" than "oh my god, millions of people just suddenly died!".
Why would Egypt want several million of them under its aegis/administration?
Yeah, Israel has asked Egypt to take Gaza a few times, but Egypt absolutely doesn't want to be responsible for that mess.
The Egyptian ambassador laughed his ass off last time they offered.
"I'm not a fool! Not for all the oil in Arabia!"
Every Arab in the Middle-East see Palestinians as lower than dirt. Not worth keeping, not even as slaves. Not after Lebanon, Jordan and Kuwait. They want them all dead, just as much if not moreso than they want to hurt Europe and America.
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The whole situation is fucked, even the kids in Gaza have been indoctrinated into terrorism basically from kindergarten age, not just by Hamas but literally by the UN agency put there to help the Palestinians.
Honestly, I think (again, barring an impossible Egypt deal) Fatah is the best bet. It's the finishing blow on Hamas once they are crippled: putting their bitter rivals in power over the area to complete the stamping out. What can rise there afterwards? Not Hamas, at least.