That's why you need to have your own opinion and find out about facts media don't care about or don't want you to know, instead of lazily taking a look at what journos say and assuming the opposite.
Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel
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The trouble is 'assume the opposite of the journos to be true' is basically a litmus test nowadays.
If you were to assume the opposite was true some 10-20 years ago, you'd be wrong pretty often.
Nowadays it's almost creepily accurate to assume they are wrong. It's not 'my' fault that's the case, they should just start telling the damned truth once in a blue moon!
Terthna
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With the terminally woke, who eagerly anticipate the destruction of western civilization? Probably not; but personally, I would not be unhappy at this point if people like the host of that show were included amongst the collateral damage. This is war; you do not fight on your enemy's terms if you want to win, you fight on yours. Any civilian casualties amongst the Palestinians are the fault of the Palestinians, and trying to assign the blame for their deaths on Israel, as if they're the only side in this conflict with any agency, is what has enabled so much death and destruction in the region for generations at this point.
Except our insistence on butting our noses into the business of other countries is exactly what has been perpetuating the conflict between Israel and the Palestinians; because we kept propping up and defending the latter whenever it looked like the former was going to finally retaliate against the people who openly plot their destruction, and obliterate them. If the attack on October 7th is anyone's fault besides the Palestinians themselves, it's not Israel's; it's ours, for refusing to allow Israel to do what needs to be done for generations, because we thought we knew better.
What America and Europe needs to do right now is stay out of Israel's way, and stop trying to assert our nonexistent moral superiority over them.
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Yet people who do that fall into the trap of opposing the mainstream on issues that it had the same opinion on even decades ago, when it was much less aggressively political.
Stop with the habitual navel gazing, out of all the international defenders of the "Palestinian cause", USA certainly doesn't deserve the first, nor even second spot for sure. OPEC, EU, BRICS, Arab League, rings a bell?
Do i need to pull up some UN vote on Israel to point out who supports who?
Maybe, I guess we'll see what happens. Not as if any discussions on here will sway either force at all.
My bet is Palestine gets incredibly fucked up, with arabs in the West losing their minds over it. Woo...
Terthna
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I don't know; do I need to point out what's going on right now? Sure, not everyone in the United States supported Palestine, not even most of us; but enough in positions of power to affect foreign policy. I'll grant you that the United States is far from the worst in this regard, but our government has been trying to make the two-state solution work for decades, and never really caught on to the fact that the Palestinians were always being disingenuous in their interest in pursuing that solution to the conflict.
49ersfootball
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US Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin met with Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu earlier this morning.
LordsFire
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When your enemy militarizes a hospital, by laws of war, they're committing a war crime for turning it into a valid military target, not you.
Also, refusing to provide support to a group that has committed acts of war against you is not a war crime.
Further, the UN has spent more time censuring and passing resolutions against Israel than against any other nation in the world, by a large multiple.
49ersfootball
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Let's not forget about these Palestinian assholes beheading innocent young kids SMH.
oh thats easy its because Hamas never followed the rules of law, when you dont follow the rules of law that means the other side is no longer compelled to follow them.
I don't like the American Empire either but this is a bullshit way to conduct an argument, the reason the founders through Roosevelt were in disapproval of foreign alliances was because due to technological constraints and the geopolitical realities of those times, fact that the U.S. wasn't for the longest period in anyway capable of fighting a European power without risking everything was a main reason.
Literally in 1776 it took a ship two months to cross the Atlantic but by the time of Roosevelt in 1907 ocean liners like RMS Lusitania could make the trip in 4 days, 19 hours and 54 minutes. This was also the time before the major ideological wars of the 20th century became a thing.
In short while the FF may want to 'have a word' with us about our foreign policy we may also have to have the same with them, so they understand some of the realities that have changed in since 1776.
You want to argue for a withdraw of America as the World Policeman that's fine but we need to prop up someone else in that role to ensure stability if we aren't doing it.
AnimalNoodles
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actually, you are, esp if you want to claim to represent "a rules based global order"
ShadowLord
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Do you have a quote or source for that?
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Shipmaster Sane
You have been weighed
There's always the other thing.
willdelve4beer
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I thought it was Hezbollah he was complimenting (not that it is an improvement, as such). A PR secretary? Really? Mr 4D chess super-genius? For what reason would need one of those? He already has a trophy wife...