Hamas Launches Offensive Against Southern Israel

[Bacle]

Oh, I misread what you were trying to say. You wrote "a conspiracy web against Netanyahu". What I heard was "a conspiracy web AGAINST NETANYAHU", what you meant was "A CONSPIRACY WEB against Netanyahu". I parse ambiguous sentences like that a little differently from most people.

Fair.

I just think that you are wrong that the Mossad is trying to get rid of Netanyahu by letting Oct 7th happen.

You are falling for the same assumption of infallibility on the Mossad and Shen Bet's part that led to them assuming the heavy reliance on tech to do intel work, and not enough ground intel from agents, would be enough to get ahead of any attack like that.

I also think you are discounting the ties Hamas has forged with both Russia and the CCP, and how those countries intel groups may have helped run cover for Hamas in the lead up to this.

 

[Iconoclast]

Fair.

I just think that you are wrong that the Mossad is trying to get rid of Netanyahu by letting Oct 7th happen.

You are falling for the same assumption of infallibility on the Mossad and Shen Bet's part that led to them assuming the heavy reliance on tech to do intel work, and not enough ground intel from agents, would be enough to get ahead of any attack like that.

I also think you are discounting the ties Hamas has forged with both Russia and the CCP, and how those countries intel groups may have helped run cover for Hamas in the lead up to this.

They were already expressing animosity towards Netanyahu's administration due to his judicial reforms. They enjoyed controlling Israel through their courts, much like our CIA controls us through ours. To quote this article:

On Sunday, it was reported by Israel National News that two leading American newspapers, the New York Times and the Washington Post indicated that among the classified American intelligence documents from the Central Intelligence Agency which have been leaked online in recent days is an assessment that senior members of Israel's Mossad spy agency encouraged the agency's employees and the general population in Israel to protest against the Israeli government's planned judicial reforms.

The leaked materials, which made headlines of several major U.S. publications, contain an assessment by a CIA Intel Update dated March 1, as was reported by i24News.com. It said that the Mossad leadership "advocated for Mossad officials and Israeli citizens to protest against the new Israeli government's proposed judicial reforms, including several explicit calls to action that decried the Israeli government."

The sudden outbreak of heavy-handed partisanship, with conservatives lining up alongside Israel and leftists siding with Palestine, is not organic. It's a propaganda construct. A convenient distraction from the wrongdoings of the criminals in power. This whole thing is a charade, and innocent people are dying for it.

 

[mrttao]

You are falling for the same assumption of infallibility

That is a gross simplification, exaggeration, and misconstruing of things.
If you have serious case for a traitor opening the city gates for the enemy, then just dismissing it all with "oh you just think the defenders are infallible gods that cannot fail". No, really no. You can have fallible defenders and still have traitors opening the gate

 

[commanderkai]

He can:

1. Call for a ceasefire and prisoner exchange with Hamas, and potentially retain power, but still have massive internal and external problems to deal with.
2. Continue bombing Gaza into dust, kill the hostages with collateral damage, and then be ousted and replaced with some Ehud Barak stooge.

Neither option is good. #1 leaves him looking weak. #2 digs him deeper into a hole and puts Israel's fate in the hands of complete psychos.

Lol if anybody thinks that Netanyahu would survive politically in Israel if he doesn't destroy Hamas to the last man, after October 7, I have multiple bridges to sell you.

There was likely an intelligence failure. Israel had internal issues distracting them, and I'm guessing Israel got word about a massive rocket attack October 7, and did not expect the border penetration. Israel handled the rocket attacks beautifully, with only one death out of 5k launched, but the rocket attack was cover for the incursion by terrorist scum.

If anybody in Israel knew in advance that this attack would happen, and sat on it, they're dead politically, and likely would get shot by an irate civilian or soldier.

 

[Tiamat]

Yes. In fact, I underestimated it. My old estimate was based on obsolete data. Going by Denis Rancourt and company's estimates, (1 death per 800 shots), then with the 18.64 million doses administered in Israel as of May of this year, there have been 23,000 deaths so far. We can see the all-cause mortality rate increasing as a result of the vaccination campaign.


You don't understand my point. If the clandestine services in Israel were willing to murder 23,000+ innocent Israelis by lethal injection, then what makes you think they wouldn't stand idly by as Hamas rampaged through a neighborhood?

We are dealing with a death cult that is global in scope, which is willing to instigate proxy wars and drag us kicking and screaming into them. When World War III starts, nobody should go, period. They should practice mass civil disobedience and simply refuse, even if it means imprisonment.

Imagine the rich, psychopathic sons of bitches behind all of this, sipping their wine and eating their veal, while the poor are made to shoot and bomb each other. They must find it amusing, like entertainment. But I suppose that's always been true of war.

Nice of you providing links to "Swiss Policy Research" webpage, which sprang up in 2016 with still no known information on who actually owns or runs the site, but is fond of providing links and "discussions" about how "Hamas was created by Israel", "discussions about how the moon landings were faked" (I'm serious), and other dubious "research".


So, within a few posts, now we've gone from Covid, to the boogeymen of all-powerful death cabals who supposedly now want to start WW3? I fail to find humor in the fact that Hamas psychos committed acts of utter barbarism that's been documented by their own hands no less, that puts them right up there with groups like the Nazis and Khmer Rouge, and you'd rather spin fantasy tales with strawmen. It's disgusting and idiotic.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Conspiracy theories rot the brain, chaps. Don’t touch them with ten foot long poles.

Anyway, Gaza still existing by this point is the most shocking thing to me.

 

[SoliFortissimi]

Not to me. Israel was always too soft for its own good.

 

[Iconoclast]

Nice of you providing links to "Swiss Policy Research" webpage, which sprang up in 2016 with still no known information on who actually owns or runs the site, but is fond of providing links and "discussions" about how "Hamas was created by Israel", "discussions about how the moon landings were faked" (I'm serious), and other dubious "research".


So, within a few posts, now we've gone from Covid, to the boogeymen of all-powerful death cabals who supposedly now want to start WW3? I fail to find humor in the fact that Hamas psychos committed acts of utter barbarism that's been documented by their own hands no less, that puts them right up there with groups like the Nazis and Khmer Rouge, and you'd rather spin fantasy tales with strawmen. It's disgusting and idiotic.

Hamas was unironically propped up by Israel to discredit a secular Palestine and recast them as violent thugs. It wouldn't be the first time that the West and our allies have funded and backed Islamic radicals only to pay the price with armed conflicts later. It's mirrored by the support of the Mujahideen against the Soviets that effectively created the Taliban. The CIA did it again in Syria, arming rebels with boatloads of ordnance which eventually ended up on the black market and in the hands of ISIS. Every time you turn around, the CIA, Mossad, Saudi Intelligence, whatever, are propping up Salafist radicals, and then using the violence committed by a small minority of Quran-thumping lunatics to justify bombing Arabs into chunky salsa. I'm sick to death of watching it happen, and I'm sick of people cheering for it. The world you live in is not what you think it is. There are nearly 9,000 people dead in Gaza right now and 1.4 million rendered homeless by persistent bombing. Most of them aren't Hamas. They're just ordinary people, trapped in a massive version of the Kowloon Walled City ruled by terrorist psychos propped up by foreign intelligence agencies. What are you gonna do? Clap for small babies being crushed under rubble?

Mossad chief visited Doha, urged Qatar to continue Hamas financial aid

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www.haaretz.com

 

[Lord Sovereign]

(Sigh)

For those who are wondering why I don’t take THASF too seriously when it comes to his Covid stuff…

 

[TheRejectionist]

Hamas funded by Iran

Qatar is the one hosting the terrorist organization. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh occasionally is in Turkey with him and his son holding Turkish passports.

Conspiracy theories rot the brain, chaps. Don’t touch them with ten foot long poles.

Anyway, Gaza still existing by this point is the most shocking thing to me.

You know what was a conspiracy theory until recently ? COVID-vax-caused myocarditis. What even before? Iraq had WMDs and Saddam was ally of Al-Qaeda. Another one is that the Hunter Biden laptop was fake when in fact was not.

If anybody in Israel knew in advance that this attack would happen, and sat on it, they're dead politically, and likely would get shot by an irate civilian or soldier.

As long as they don't get caught and they put the blame on someone else it is seems very feasable.

 

[Terthna]

Hamas was unironically propped up by Israel to discredit a secular Palestine and recast them as violent thugs. It wouldn't be the first time that the West and our allies have funded and backed Islamic radicals only to pay the price with armed conflicts later. It's mirrored by the support of the Mujahideen against the Soviets that effectively created the Taliban. The CIA did it again in Syria, arming rebels with boatloads of ordnance which eventually ended up on the black market and in the hands of ISIS. Every time you turn around, the CIA, Mossad, Saudi Intelligence, whatever, are propping up Salafist radicals, and then using the violence committed by a small minority of Quran-thumping lunatics to justify bombing Arabs into chunky salsa. I'm sick to death of watching it happen, and I'm sick of people cheering for it. The world you live in is not what you think it is. There are nearly 9,000 people dead in Gaza right now and 1.4 million rendered homeless by persistent bombing. Most of them aren't Hamas. They're just ordinary people, trapped in a massive version of the Kowloon Walled City ruled by terrorist psychos propped up by foreign intelligence agencies. What are you gonna do? Clap for small babies being crushed under rubble?

Mossad chief visited Doha, urged Qatar to continue Hamas financial aid

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www.haaretz.com

Except Israel didn't need to prop up more "Quran-thumping lunatics"; not when they already had the Palestine Liberation Organization. In point of fact, they propped Hamas up early on because they though they'd be a more peaceful alternative to the PLO. Once it because obvious that they were in fact worse, support from Israel dried up.

 

[Iconoclast]

(Sigh)

For those who are wondering why I don’t take THASF too seriously when it comes to his Covid stuff…

Israel's response to Hamas's brutal provocation was to embark on a campaign of ethnic cleansing. Sure, fuck Hamas, but are we just going to pretend that Gazans aren't human and deserving of compassion? Let me put this another way. There are 20,000 to 25,000 Hamas members and 2,375,000 people living in Gaza in disgustingly crowded conditions. That means 1 in 95 people in Gaza is a Hamas member. That's 1.05% of the population. Are we really supposed to support the destruction of the lives and livelihoods of the other 98.95% here, or what?

Let me make this very, very simple for you, so you understand what I'm getting at. Let's say your neighborhood consisted of 95 people. One of those people in your neighborhood is a Three-Percenter militia nutter who has just conducted a terrorist bombing of a National Guard depot. Do you think that it's valid for the National Guard to respond by strafing your whole neighborhood and reducing your house to cinders?

Oh, silly me. Why should anyone care about 9,000 dead Gazans? After all, nobody cared about the War on Terror's death toll of 4.5 million people. I guess Arabs are just disposable sandwich meat whose pleas for mercy can be disregarded as usual. My mistake.

 

[mrttao]

Conspiracy theories rot the brain, chaps. Don’t touch them with ten foot long poles.

Except most conspiracy theories keep on being proven true.
A disturbing amount of them in the past 10 years of so.
Heck you yourself hold multiple "conspiracy theories" according to corporate media.

 

[Terthna]

Israel's response to Hamas's brutal provocation was to embark on a campaign of ethnic cleansing. Sure, fuck Hamas, but are we just going to pretend that Gazans aren't human and deserving of compassion? Let me put this another way. There are 20,000 to 25,000 Hamas members and 2,375,000 people living in Gaza in disgustingly crowded conditions. That means 1 in 95 people in Gaza is a Hamas member. That's 1.05% of the population. Are we really supposed to support the destruction of the lives and livelihoods of the other 98.95% here, or what?

Let me make this very, very simple for you, so you understand what I'm getting at. Let's say your neighborhood consisted of 95 people. One of those people in your neighborhood is a Three-Percenter militia nutter who has just conducted a terrorist bombing of a National Guard depot. Do you think that it's valid for the National Guard to respond by strafing your whole neighborhood and reducing your house to cinders?

Oh, silly me. Why should anyone care about 9,000 dead Gazans? After all, nobody cared about the War on Terror's death toll of 4.5 million people. I guess Arabs are just disposable sandwich meat whose pleas for mercy can be disregarded as usual. My mistake.

You're making the mistake of assigning the blame for all their deaths on Israel; when it's actually Hamas, who are intentionally using those 2,375,000 people (many of whom still want to see every Jew in the world dead) as human shields, who are to blame for every innocent person who dies in the process of taking them out. I mean; what exactly are you expecting Israel to do? Just sit there and die to satisfy your moral indignation at the deaths of people who, quite frankly, would kill you and everyone you love too if they had the chance? Because while it's sad when Jews are killed, we must protect the Palestinians at all costs? And you people wonder how the Israelis could feel justified in wanting to ship off the Palestinians to America and Europe wholesale, making them the problem of people like you who object to their every attempt at trying to deal with the death cult enclave foisted upon them by their enemies.

 

[Iconoclast]

You're making the mistake of assigning the blame for all their deaths on Israel; when it's actually Hamas, who are intentionally using those 2,375,000 people (many of whom still want to see every Jew in the world dead) as human shields, who are to blame for every innocent person who dies in the process of taking them out. I mean; what exactly are you expecting Israel to do? Just sit there and die to satisfy your moral indignation at the deaths of people who, quite frankly, would kill you and everyone you love too if they had the chance? Because while it's sad when Jews are killed, we must protect the Palestinians at all costs? And you people wonder how the Israelis could feel justified in wanting to ship off the Palestinians to America and Europe wholesale, making them the problem of people like you who object to their every attempt at trying to deal with the death cult enclave foisted upon them by their enemies.

"You people?"

I'm "You People", now?

Let me get something straight with you. Over the past twenty years, we have wasted trillions of dollars in American treasure and flushed thousands of American lives down the toilet to support Israel's ambitions in the Middle East, to clear out their Arab neighbors, destroy their homes, and flood Europe with a tide of homeless and malcontent refugees. All we had to do was just say no. No more of this insanity. Fund things that improve the lives of Americans. Instead, our pro-Israel lobby neocon/neolib uniparty dickhead politicians took their marching orders from bloodthirsty security state psychopaths, clapped their hands together with glee, threw billions more down a hole, and sent another hundred thousand troops to get their balls blown off for Israel. Our own living conditions are increasingly shit. Prices for basic necessities are through the roof. Our public infrastructure is crumbling to dust. The dollar is hyperinflating like the Weimar Papiermark. Everywhere you look, people are selling their asses on OnlyFans or doing gig jobs - Turking or Twerking - and they still can't make ends meet. I grew up to watch my country turn into a whole nation of fucking whores. I will watch America, with its last dying breath, plant one last kiss squarely on Israel's asshole, thanks to people like you. Well done.

 

[Marduk]

What kind of listening station do they use?

Qatar is the one hosting the terrorist organization. Hamas leader Ismail Haniyeh occasionally is in Turkey with him and his son holding Turkish passports.

How is that a contradiction? Is it impossible for a terror organizations to be supported by more than two states, can i yell at the person who wrote those arbitrary rules?
Qatar is close with Iran, and Iran provides vital military support that Qatar can't and Turkey isn't willing to.

 

[mrttao]

"You people?"

I'm "You People", now?

Let me get something straight with you. Over the past twenty years, we have wasted trillions of dollars in American treasure and flushed thousands of American lives down the toilet to support Israel's ambitions in the Middle East, to clear out their Arab neighbors, destroy their homes, and flood Europe with a tide of homeless and malcontent refugees. All we had to do was just say no. No more of this insanity. Fund things that improve the lives of Americans. Instead, our pro-Israel lobby neocon/neolib uniparty dickhead politicians took their marching orders from bloodthirsty security state psychopaths, clapped their hands together with glee, threw billions more down a hole, and sent another hundred thousand troops to get their balls blown off for Israel. Our own living conditions are increasingly shit. Prices for basic necessities are through the roof. Our public infrastructure is crumbling to dust. The dollar is hyperinflating like the Weimar Papiermark. Everywhere you look, people are selling their asses on OnlyFans or doing gig jobs - Turking or Twerking - and they still can't make ends meet. I grew up to watch my country turn into a whole nation of fucking whores. I will watch America, with its last dying breath, plant one last kiss squarely on Israel's asshole, thanks to people like you. Well done.

it is awful what the oligarch's did to usa and europe.
israel's commoners are also getting fucked though.

and what exactly did israel get from all these waves of rapefugees being shipped over from surrounding nations? it is not safer, israel did not conquer any new lands.
those rapefugees were just something the western oligarchs asked for and were delivered for monetary price

the united states and europe need to deport all their foreign invaders and clean up their governments of the communists and woke cultists and MIC warmongers.

while it might seem natural to resort to leveraging liberal idiocy to "harm" the so called "other side". All we would be doing is perpetuating liberalism.
whether it is western nations clamping down on israel's response to hamas.
or israel putting the barbarians on a boat headed towards europe.

rather, we should all agree that both israel and the usa and europe should all be better off kicking out the barbarians.
and all of those countries need to purge their spy agencies of traitors.

of course, taking the high road bears the risk of falling into
"imagine if it was the other way around" - said the conservative as he was being dragged towards his execution for wrongthink
so there has to be some form of reciprocity.

I do understand your anger and frustration though.

 

[Terthna]

"You people?"

I'm "You People", now?

Let me get something straight with you. Over the past twenty years, we have wasted trillions of dollars in American treasure and flushed thousands of American lives down the toilet to support Israel's ambitions in the Middle East, to clear out their Arab neighbors, destroy their homes, and flood Europe with a tide of homeless and malcontent refugees. All we had to do was just say no. No more of this insanity. Fund things that improve the lives of Americans. Instead, our pro-Israel lobby neocon/neolib uniparty dickhead politicians took their marching orders from bloodthirsty security state psychopaths, clapped their hands together with glee, threw billions more down a hole, and sent another hundred thousand troops to get their balls blown off for Israel. Our own living conditions are increasingly shit. Prices for basic necessities are through the roof. Our public infrastructure is crumbling to dust. The dollar is hyperinflating like the Weimar Papiermark. Everywhere you look, people are selling their asses on OnlyFans or doing gig jobs - Turking or Twerking - and they still can't make ends meet. I grew up to watch my country turn into a whole nation of fucking whores. I will watch America, with its last dying breath, plant one last kiss squarely on Israel's asshole, thanks to people like you. Well done.

Yes "you people". The ones who don't seem to get that Israel (or in your mind, the Jews; but you can't actually say that so you'll just use the country as a euphuism for Jews who are members of the globalist elite, who in your minds are the root causes of all the evils of the world and represent all Jews) just wants you to get the heck out of their way for once and let them do what they need to do to protect themselves, instead of continuing to try and mold the region in your own image.

Nobody is trying to kiss Israel's ass here; if anything, our government is trying yet again to screw them over and tell them what they are and are not allowed to do, in the name of protecting people who want us dead. Fuck that; they neither want our help, nor need it (beyond maybe selling them the ammunition we promised them to keep on hand for them in the country, as part of our "alliance"; only to have it all shipped off to Ukraine). Keep your billions, your troops, and your condescending opinions about the Jews Israel to yourself; they'll be much better off without any of it.

 

[ATP]

Just a reminder, the Palestinians are Hamas, and Hamas are the Palestinians.

People, including Hamas themselves, are trying to divorce the two (especially with Hamas' "civilians are the UN responsibility" line). Don't buy into that shit.

I think it's pretty clear Israel is going to basically kick the Palestinians out of Gaza now, one way or another. The problem with that is that they want to deport them to Europe, Canada, and the US.

Not speaking for the Leftists and governments but the Average Joe/Jane? We don't want them. They're nothing but fucking trouble (look at the "protests" and rallies in London from "poor refugees").

Yes,jews would steal more palestinian lands.I hope,that nobody would speak about jewish property lost in Europe - becouse everybody would laught at that now.

 

[Iconoclast]

Nobody is trying to kiss Israel's ass here; if anything, our government is trying yet again to screw them over and tell them what they are and are not allowed to do, in the name of protecting people who want us dead. Fuck that; they neither want our help, nor need it (beyond maybe selling them the ammunition we promised them to keep on hand for them in the country, as part of our "alliance"; only to have it all shipped off to Ukraine). Keep your billions, your troops, and your condescending opinions about the Jews Israel to yourself; they'll be much better off without any of it.

Screw them over? We sent two entire Carrier Battle Groups to warn Iran and the rest to fuck off and let Israel bomb Gaza with impunity, burning literally millions of dollars a day in Israel's defense. How is that screwing them over?

Our politicians genuflect to them in ways that are frankly nauseating to watch. Everyone had such high hopes for Mike. Was he going to put America's needs first? Was he going to hold the censorship-industrial complex and vax-pushers accountable for what they did to us? Nope! More money for Israel. What a joke.