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Has Italy Been Saved?

The Whispering Monk

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This is definitely a swing to the right for Italy.

Do you think it can endure in the face of bureaucratic pressure from inside Italy as well as from its neighbors and the EU?

Will the new Prime Minister get stabbed by their own Leftists like happened to Trump?

Or is this swing going to the beginning of the sea change for Europe?
 

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It hasn't been saved, previous governments pretty much handed over the control over finances to EU, something new government can't change without totally crashing Italian economy and there is deeply entrenched bureaucracy that is perfectly fine with being subordinated to Brussels. So at most there will be some public opposition to EU bullshit, but quietly acquiescenting, so it will be a game of keeping up appearances. Though that might not be enough for EU and they might seek to make example of Italian government.
 

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Though that might not be enough for EU and they might seek to make example of Italian government.
Problem is...does the EU really have that power at this time?

Would that action, attacking/punishing Italy result in the collapse of the EU completely?
 

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I'm kind of hoping Italy leaves the EU.
Italy's exit will kill the EU, but Meloni is not like that because it will kick Italy itself more. In fact, it's better to listen to her program, and she wants to break with the instability of Italy and the rule of technocrats out of a hat instead to bet on the French model in government, i.e., the strong power of the president. This way it will be easier to rebuild Italy, but for now she must not be fooled by much older partners than her who had their chances and are now junior partners of Meloni.
 
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I'm kind of hoping Italy leaves the EU.
I'm for that, leave the EU build their own military get a bit of a Roman Revival going. The more we can unwrap these tangled political alliances the better. the extent we should have with other countries is friendly relations (diplomacy and immigration) and trade agreements (The Import/export kind NOT the socio-political kind) THAT'S IT.
 

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This is definitely a swing to the right for Italy.

Do you think it can endure in the face of bureaucratic pressure from inside Italy as well as from its neighbors and the EU?

Will the new Prime Minister get stabbed by their own Leftists like happened to Trump?

Or is this swing going to the beginning of the sea change for Europe?
How long will Meloni last as Prime Minister of Italy?
 

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leave the EU build their own military get a bit of a Roman Revival going.
With what money? Italian economy is reliant on EU funds.

Does she live to complete her term/terms or is she Epsteined?
They didn't need to kill Berlusconi, they just removed him administratively. Under Monti the powers of national government were severely curtailed so bureaucracy and EU have the power to strangle a non-cooperative government. Von Leyen is not lying when she says they have ways of dealing with non-cooperative Italy and they have more means than against Poland and Hungary, however given the levels of incompetence amongst her cohorts they could make it into massive clusterfuck, instead of orderly administrative coup.
 

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I'm for that, leave the EU build their own military get a bit of a Roman Revival going. The more we can unwrap these tangled political alliances the better. the extent we should have with other countries is friendly relations (diplomacy and immigration) and trade agreements (The Import/export kind NOT the socio-political kind) THAT'S IT.
Italians aren't breeding enough to have their own Roman Revival right now lol.

does Italy have any natural resources? Resource independence would probably be a good first step.
They can go ooga booga Putin-style and conquer Libya. ;)

It hasn't been saved, previous governments pretty much handed over the control over finances to EU, something new government can't change without totally crashing Italian economy and there is deeply entrenched bureaucracy that is perfectly fine with being subordinated to Brussels. So at most there will be some public opposition to EU bullshit, but quietly acquiescenting, so it will be a game of keeping up appearances. Though that might not be enough for EU and they might seek to make example of Italian government.
The main thing for them is to get their way on immigration. Europe should have less Muslim and African immigration. Everything else other than the Russo-Ukrainian War is secondary.
 

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it hasn't been saved.

In fact the election really worries me, its not the Italian right that worries me, its the reaction to the election elsewhere.

The fact is you have people here in the united states that care about this election, you have people in europe who care, you have brussels already saying their planning on punishing Italians for voting the same way, liberals in canada, australia, new zealand and america cheering it on. People on the right supporting it and all of that is fucking terrifying because it means one thing.

The politics of the west are starting to merge.

The west is starting to collapse into empire and that is bad because that entire process is by nature an incredibly ugly one. Ideally no body should give a shit the fact that they do is a really bad sign.
 

Arch Dornan

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Von Der Leyen said they have tools to reign them in to cuck.
 
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it hasn't been saved.

In fact the election really worries me, its not the Italian right that worries me, its the reaction to the election elsewhere.

The fact is you have people here in the united states that care about this election, you have people in europe who care, you have brussels already saying their planning on punishing Italians for voting the same way, liberals in canada, australia, new zealand and america cheering it on. People on the right supporting it and all of that is fucking terrifying because it means one thing.

The politics of the west are starting to merge.

The west is starting to collapse into empire and that is bad because that entire process is by nature an incredibly ugly one. Ideally no body should give a shit the fact that they do is a really bad sign.
so...how long before we are all to be murdered?
 

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Italians aren't breeding enough to have their own Roman Revival right now lol.



They can go ooga booga Putin-style and conquer Libya. ;)



The main thing for them is to get their way on immigration. Europe should have less Muslim and African immigration. Everything else other than the Russo-Ukrainian War is secondary.
Yet there's biracial folks in Europe
 
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