How can conservatives effect change?

ShieldWife said:
I hope I’m wrong, because I think we’re in store for some very rough times ahead of us as the far left comes to thoroughly dominate Western civilization and enforce their fanatical ideology on the world until our once great civilization is in ruins. I hope I’m wrong about that. I also hope that I’m wrong about the only way to preserve remnants of Western civilization is on a personal grass roots level.

I feel like I’m in the middle of a vast and barren desert, suggesting that we squeeze droplets of moisture from the few scant plants we can find, and being chastised for causing a flood. “I hope you’re right that you don’t cause a flood.”
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If we look at historical time line Trump was the first Grachi brother he has just been marytred through a stolen election, looking at the historical time line we have 8-10 years before we get a second populist leader. I know that looks impossible right now but the neo cons got ejected whole sale over the last 4 years and from the looks of it that purge is going to continue because people are pissed. Really pissed and Trump just proved that populism was a way forward for the party some one will take up the tourch.

But the democrats cheat you say, yeah they do, but their leadership is positively geratric, their power base just got tourched by covid and their centers of power are crumbling because of decades of mismanagement, and Biden is dealing with all of this by trying to centralize all establishment power in the democratic party which will piss of the progressive wing so yeah they have a civil war built into things.

The next populist leader will be the last chance of peaceful reform, and by nature in order to get that reform he's going to have to bust heads, and deal with the rampant cheating which means throwing democrats into prison, the media will lie and howl about him being a tyrant. Do not fall for that, we have a large amount of corruption and the only way to save the republic is to cut it away and that will be a painful process and it will look vindictive.

If he fails, the demcrats now firmly the ever corrupt optimates party will start official proscription lists putting people in to prison and murdering people in the streets you know like this year only official, this time though they have gone too far and the third populist leader arrives.

This time there is civil war the democrats have no choice but to get an actual leader your sulla, the populists will have their maris, and the fighting begens expect at least a few million people to die which all could have been avoided if the democrats hadn't been obessed with keeping power at all costs and done some reforms.

If the dems win we get some one who in an attempt to save the republic destroys it and further civil war, if the republicans win we have a 10% chance of the republic getting saved, if they fail the attempt to save the republic destroys it and we get further civil war.

At this point we get our transition tyrant the ceasar, if we are lucky like rome was we get a ceasar who tries to not be a pyschopath he will get murdered and then more civil war. If we are not lucky we get the love child of hitler and Stalin and millions of people will be murdered. His regime will have screwed so many people over that it will have no legitimacy and we get civil war.

it will look like the end of civilization, but then the most regressive, conservatie reactionary man in the last 300 years apears looks around and says fuck experimentation, fuck the revolution fuck equality we are going to tradition, and I will force you assholes to Get along.

After the civil war finishes we get a government will cover more land but interfer with peoples lives less, and at that point if any one even breaths about social justice they will be murdered by a multiracial angry mob. Looking at the time line....um thats about an 80 year process.

Its going to suck.
 
Cherico said:
If we look at historical time line Trump was the first Grachi brother he has just been marytred through a stolen election, looking at the historical time line we have 8-10 years before we get a second populist leader. I know that looks impossible right now but the neo cons got ejected whole sale over the last 4 years and from the looks of it that purge is going to continue because people are pissed. Really pissed and Trump just proved that populism was a way forward for the party some one will take up the tourch.

But the democrats cheat you say, yeah they do, but their leadership is positively geratric, their power base just got tourched by covid and their centers of power are crumbling because of decades of mismanagement, and Biden is dealing with all of this by trying to centralize all establishment power in the democratic party which will piss of the progressive wing so yeah they have a civil war built into things.

The next populist leader will be the last chance of peaceful reform, and by nature in order to get that reform he's going to have to bust heads, and deal with the rampant cheating which means throwing democrats into prison, the media will lie and howl about him being a tyrant. Do not fall for that, we have a large amount of corruption and the only way to save the republic is to cut it away and that will be a painful process and it will look vindictive.

If he fails, the demcrats now firmly the ever corrupt optimates party will start official proscription lists putting people in to prison and murdering people in the streets you know like this year only official, this time though they have gone too far and the third populist leader arrives.

This time there is civil war the democrats have no choice but to get an actual leader your sulla, the populists will have their maris, and the fighting begens expect at least a few million people to die which all could have been avoided if the democrats hadn't been obessed with keeping power at all costs and done some reforms.

If the dems win we get some one who in an attempt to save the republic destroys it and further civil war, if the republicans win we have a 10% chance of the republic getting saved, if they fail the attempt to save the republic destroys it and we get further civil war.

At this point we get our transition tyrant the ceasar, if we are lucky like rome was we get a ceasar who tries to not be a pyschopath he will get murdered and then more civil war. If we are not lucky we get the love child of hitler and Stalin and millions of people will be murdered. His regime will have screwed so many people over that it will have no legitimacy and we get civil war.

it will look like the end of civilization, but then the most regressive, conservatie reactionary man in the last 300 years apears looks around and says fuck experimentation, fuck the revolution fuck equality we are going to tradition, and I will force you assholes to Get along.

After the civil war finishes we get a government will cover more land but interfer with peoples lives less, and at that point if any one even breaths about social justice they will be murdered by a multiracial angry mob. Looking at the time line....um thats about an 80 year process.

Its going to suck.
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so in short trump and his populism is the last chance we have, or else we will essentially devolve into primatism?
 
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Ya know, this isn't just the USA, they're looking to plan on becoming the villains of some Libertarian SciFi who'd come over to Space Colonies doing well on their own and NOT part of Earth's Collective Governments in order to lecture them on stuff
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
so in short trump and his populism is the last chance we have, or else we will essentially devolve into primatism?
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The end of modernity is not the end of civilization, you will still have technology, you will still have science but there will be an increased focus on tradition, and stability. You get a whole lot less experimentation but you also have the government not fucking with your day to day afairs like today.

I
 
Cherico said:
The end of modernity is not the end of civilization, you will still have technology, you will still have science but there will be an increased focus on tradition, and stability. You get a whole lot less experimentation but you also have the government not fucking with your day to day afairs like today.

I
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but what happens to those who while not communist aren't traditionalist and more importantly refuse to be so? mobs are just government without the prestige. I would have thought cancel culture would have taught us that much. that's part of the reason why we have a republic in the FIRST place.
 
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Hastur of Carcosa said:
but what happens to those who while not communist aren't traditionalist and more importantly refuse to be so? mobs are just government without the prestige. I would have thought cancel culture would have taught us that much.
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In the extremely unlikely event that traditionalists took over the whole country than they would probably be ignored unless they try and interfere with the government. Right-wing autocracies like Pinochet's or Franco's aren't pleasant, but they're certainly a lot better then Left-wing totalitarianism like under Stalin, Mao, or Hitler.

I doubt it would get to that point anyway. If things get bad enough the country will probably fracture and you can pick whatever post-American state best picks your fancy.
 
KnightTemplar said:
In the extremely unlikely event that traditionalists took over the whole country than they would probably be ignored unless they try and interfere with the government. Right-wing autocracies like Pinochet's or Franco's aren't pleasant, but they're certainly a lot better then Left-wing totalitarianism like under Stalin, Mao, or Hitler.

I doubt it would get to that point anyway. If things get bad enough the country will probably fracture and you can pick whatever post-American state best picks your fancy.
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I'd be ok with this. I will say I'm probably in the best spot given the the fact that texas looks to be the next california (As california prior to communist taking it over.)
 
KnightTemplar said:
In the extremely unlikely event that traditionalists took over the whole country than they would probably be ignored unless they try and interfere with the government. Right-wing autocracies like Pinochet's or Franco's aren't pleasant, but they're certainly a lot better then Left-wing totalitarianism like under Stalin, Mao, or Hitler.

I doubt it would get to that point anyway. If things get bad enough the country will probably fracture and you can pick whatever post-American state best picks your fancy.
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Say, how does this all take into account things like mass immigration? And things like the "Great Reset" being a thing or attempting to be a thing?

That said, I can honestly bet there'd be entire nations that would think migrating to the USA would NOT be worth the travel due to less and less welfare money that can actually buy food being a thing and their own countries possibly developing much better compared to the USA
 
absenceofmalice said:
People who mind their own business grill and play video games while their neighbors houses burn.
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And they won't really make much of a fuss when
A) All the meat becomes 10X more expensive due to some vegan douchebags
B) Their video games are now heavily censored or crappier than ever
C) They don't have the electricity to do either because the electricity's cut off from them every now and then for Mother Gaia

It may just be Reddit, but supposed Centrists I've met and seen tend to dismiss possible and imminent threats coming their way or stuff sorta already affecting them. Then there are the ones that more-or-less end up siding with the mainstream and try gaslighting you.
 
Hastur of Carcosa said:
and we know what you want. Are you going to keep repeating the same mantra?
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absenceofmalice said:
Thats very hypocritical of you when I haven't even said what I want but you repeat your fantasy nonstop.
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Guys let's break it up and calm down before a MOD comes in

That said, I really think people need to remember this isn't just a fight for "Traditionalists" and even the Hedonists dislike being used and abused and can recognise the assholes doing it to them
 
CarlManvers2019 said:
Guys let's break it up and calm down before a MOD comes in

That said, I really think people need to remember this isn't just a fight for "Traditionalists" and even the Hedonists dislike being used and abused and can recognise the assholes doing it to them
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The problem is the Hedonists will stab you in the back the second any hard work is involved. They'll fight exactly hard enough to get to enjoy their little hobby in the short term and no harder.
 
absenceofmalice said:
The problem is the Hedonists will stab you in the back the second any hard work is involved. They'll fight exactly hard enough to get to enjoy their little hobby in the short term and no harder.
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and what are you creditiontals to determine "The hedonist" vs. the "hardworker?" Military, Politician, Party advocate? major in political theory?
 
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