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"Trustworthy Sources" is an answer, but it's not helpful in pursuing that threshold of evidence. The only trustworthy source you mentioned is Tucker Carlson (with understandable caveats) hence why I'm asking again.
My mistake, it's not an AP Photographer.
It's a Clarion Ledger (one of the sources I mentioned) photographer. This is one of the daily newspapers in Jackson, Mississippi.
Here's her profile.
www.clarionledger.com
Maybe someone can scrawl through her social media accounts and see if she leans liberal and thus is untrustworthy?
It's a Clarion Ledger (one of the sources I mentioned) photographer. This is one of the daily newspapers in Jackson, Mississippi.
Here's her profile.
Barbara Gauntt | The Clarion-Ledger
www.clarionledger.com
Maybe someone can scrawl through her social media accounts and see if she leans liberal and thus is untrustworthy?
I see both sides of the argument here.
You can't trust mass media, regardless of the source; they will always copy off one another, so if one site, Left-aligning says the sky is green, they'll say it for X reasons, and a Right-aligning site will say it's green because the Left-aligned site said it, but they'll use Y reasons as opposed to X reasons -- and vice-versa (with the Left feeding off the Right with their own spin).
Both are still saying the sky is green, though.
They could be telling the truth. They could be spinning things.
On the other hand... sorry guys, but after Portland and a ton of other cities' crime-waves in recent years (Chicago, for example, is refusing to post yearly bike-theft statistics any more because, sadly enough, most of the thieves are Black and they're worried about "looking racist"), the optics for pictures like this aren't good, even if it's an innocent family just salvaging their own belongings from their owned ruined home.
The stereotype has truth to it, even though it doesn't apply to American Blacks in totality, and if it were a normal-looking (and not methhead-looking people) White family doing the same thing? Most people wouldn't think that they're looters as a major possibility.
Portland and that portion of American Blacks committing so many damn crimes in recent years have backfired on American Blacks as a whole completely.
You can't trust mass media, regardless of the source; they will always copy off one another, so if one site, Left-aligning says the sky is green, they'll say it for X reasons, and a Right-aligning site will say it's green because the Left-aligned site said it, but they'll use Y reasons as opposed to X reasons -- and vice-versa (with the Left feeding off the Right with their own spin).
Both are still saying the sky is green, though.
They could be telling the truth. They could be spinning things.
On the other hand... sorry guys, but after Portland and a ton of other cities' crime-waves in recent years (Chicago, for example, is refusing to post yearly bike-theft statistics any more because, sadly enough, most of the thieves are Black and they're worried about "looking racist"), the optics for pictures like this aren't good, even if it's an innocent family just salvaging their own belongings from their owned ruined home.
The stereotype has truth to it, even though it doesn't apply to American Blacks in totality, and if it were a normal-looking (and not methhead-looking people) White family doing the same thing? Most people wouldn't think that they're looters as a major possibility.
Portland and that portion of American Blacks committing so many damn crimes in recent years have backfired on American Blacks as a whole completely.
mrttao
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also, I didn't say they are looters.
The possibility did not even cross my mind until it was brought up and noted that 3 women are being shown rescuing adult men's shoes.
Now that it has been brought up.. shrug, how would I know?
Pretty callous of the photographer to exclude the father from the picture.
What I disagreed with is your (husky) specific so called logical arguments.
because your so called logical arguments were very stupid.
like "it is racist to question corporate media"
The possibility did not even cross my mind until it was brought up and noted that 3 women are being shown rescuing adult men's shoes.
Now that it has been brought up.. shrug, how would I know?
Pretty callous of the photographer to exclude the father from the picture.
What I disagreed with is your (husky) specific so called logical arguments.
because your so called logical arguments were very stupid.
like "it is racist to question corporate media"
We got a winner! Pattern recognition is a bitch!
That's fine I never made that accusation towards you.
I never said it was racist to question corporate media.
I'm only going to take responsibility for what I said, not what I didn't say.
mrttao
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Pattern recognition, like math, is racist.
Leading math authorities in Canada are now openly claiming that the phrase "2+2=4" is an example of white supremacy
Just in case you ever had any doubt at all that woke ideology is ruining education and poisoning the minds of people everywhere, here's a major education institution arguing that basic mathematics are racist:
notthebee.com
> Canada webinar
> How to spot white supremacy
> Examples of covert white supremacy include:
>> Of course math is neutral because 2+2=4
Speaking of, Husky can you define racism? depending on how you define it, I very well might be one.
After all, I believe in racist things like math
I laid out how I came to that assumption here.
Zeno Guy: Posts Picture that Shows Black People Sifting Through a Rubble Strewn House. Accuses them of looting.
Other Person: States they're salvaging their own belongings.
Zeno Guy: No they are looting. Those shoes don't belong to her.
Me: Posts Four Articles, One from the Washington Post, One From Local News, One From PBS, One from a British Tabloid, One From a Catholic News Site, and Used an Associated Press Photo. The articles state the name of the girl, the name of her Mother, and the name of the town and the street their home is on.
Zeno Guy/MrTatto: All Corporate Media Is Fake. Here is One Counter Example Graphic.
Me: What evidence can be given that they are not looters?
Zeno Guy: Unless I was there personally to interact with them in that moment, I will always consider those Black people looters.
Me: So your racist.
Zeno Guy: No of course not! But Black People Loot After Natural Disasters. They are Black, It is a Natural Disaster. Therefore they are looters.
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Furthermore he freely admitted he was racist.
There's a fun game I play with one of my friends, you have to google "X is racist", substituting X for any particular thing. First one to not get any major hits wins.Pattern recognition, like math, is racist.
Leading math authorities in Canada are now openly claiming that the phrase "2+2=4" is an example of white supremacy
Just in case you ever had any doubt at all that woke ideology is ruining education and poisoning the minds of people everywhere, here's a major education institution arguing that basic mathematics are racist:
It's actually a lot harder than you think.
A few things that are 'racist' according to google.
-Chocolate
-Cars
-Electricity
-Sweaters
-Fish
Yep, you're 100% right.
mrttao
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what do you call this exchange then?
Zeno cast aspirations about corporate media
You replied to that and asked him for his threshold of evidence (without qualifying "in this case"). Thus replying to his tangent on corporate media.
He replied in utter distrust of anything printed by corporate media.
Lamenting the media has deteriorated to that stage
And you said that made him a racist.
Only later on you changed it to "what is your threshhold of evidence IN THIS CASE". which, tries to stretch people's statement of distrust in the media, and trying to make it into "you normally love and trust CNN and other corpo media. but you only distrust them THIS TIME because in the last mentioned article there were black people and you are racis"
Even if you were actually talking to a "secret racis" your attempts at "ferrting" just look like dishonest gatchas.
mrttao
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Peanut butter and jelly.
Don't forget that school teacher who gave kids in her class an example of peanut butter and jelly sandwich and was suspended for white supremacy.
The principal who suspended her argued that only white kids eat bread, while mexican and somali students in the school don't eat bread.
Pattern Recognition and Media Scrutiny is Fine. I never criticized either.
The reason I'm asking the question of ZenoGuy and Mrttao as to the threshold of evidence they require is to see if it's even practical to challenge the assumption that these Black people aren't looters. ZenoGuy admitted that he was so cynical that he sees Black people like in that picture as looters and nothing will convince him of it unless he personally interacted with it.
MrTattao said he wanted 'trustworthy sources' which is fine. I think most people would agree but there's still a practicality issue. If every claim requires extraordinary evidence, then the chance for actually engaging in discussion is going to pretty difficult.
And we're not talking about whether the Moon Landing is Fake, or who blew up the Nordstream Pipeline where a threshold of evidence might be very high and rightly so. This is literally just some random case of "Are these looters or survivors in a natural disaster?"
In context with the media. Whatever the media says is the opposite of reality, ergo 'brave citizens rescuing sneakers' are 'criminal thugs looting somebody's house'.
Are we going to ignore the previous decade of insane BLM looting and crimesprees? There's a limit to where people will believe lies, after a certain point even the truth appears a lie.
So just because I didn't clarify "In this case" in one post when this was the only incident we were discussing you are assuming that I believe anyone who doubts Corporate Media is racist?
That seems obtuse but... I actually am critical of the media a great deal.
I feel like the burden of proof you are offering is exceptionally obtuse so you can confirm if you want.
Regardless I feel that the semantic oversight I made of not making it explicitly clear that I was talking about in this case the whole time and not referring to media criticism in general is minor and addressed.
I do apologize though if excluding those three words "In this case" but using them later was confusing the issue on your end. But it still seems minor to me and required an exceptional leap of logic to reach the conclusion you made that I consider all corporate media criticism racist. But I still apologize for the misunderstanding.
mrttao
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I have to come out of the closet here.
I too, am a racist.
Not a white supremacist mind you.
I believe in math, which is very racist.
I believe in individual exceptionalism. which is racist (the non racist view is that great men are created with public funding. all brown people are inferior, because of white supremacy denying the funding needed to raise their int score)
I believe some cultures are seriously fucked up. Which is either racist or anti-racist depending on the skin color of the originators of those culture. (if you believe white cultures are rotten you are virtuous. If you believe any other culture is rotten you are racist).
I believe in genetics. which is racist towards trannies, and also some other groups.
I believe in my own lying eyes and the pattern recognition in my brain and refuse to deny the vastly disproportionate rate of crime in certain groups. super racis.
I believe nonwhites can be racist. Which is supreme extra ultra racism taboo. Well known fact is that only whites can be racist.
So... honestly? Yea, I am fine with being called a racist.
I honestly even FEEL like I am a racist by now.
Because I do in fact feel wary and cautious of certain groups, due to refusing to lobotomize myself. I would NOT take a nice evening stroll in the hood. fearing that I would be stabbed for my wallet.
I would say I am fairly mild racist, as:
1. I don't think my own race are the master race
2. I am willing to make exceptions for individuals who prove themselves even if they come from a tainted group. (albeit still a bit cautiously)
3. I think that while genetics plays a role, it is overall one of the smaller (albeit still significant) contributors to the problems some groups have. The biggest one being single mothers, followed by drugs, followed by being brainwashed and gaslighted into thinking they are victims
I too, am a racist.
Not a white supremacist mind you.
I believe in math, which is very racist.
I believe in individual exceptionalism. which is racist (the non racist view is that great men are created with public funding. all brown people are inferior, because of white supremacy denying the funding needed to raise their int score)
I believe some cultures are seriously fucked up. Which is either racist or anti-racist depending on the skin color of the originators of those culture. (if you believe white cultures are rotten you are virtuous. If you believe any other culture is rotten you are racist).
I believe in genetics. which is racist towards trannies, and also some other groups.
I believe in my own lying eyes and the pattern recognition in my brain and refuse to deny the vastly disproportionate rate of crime in certain groups. super racis.
I believe nonwhites can be racist. Which is supreme extra ultra racism taboo. Well known fact is that only whites can be racist.
So... honestly? Yea, I am fine with being called a racist.
I honestly even FEEL like I am a racist by now.
Because I do in fact feel wary and cautious of certain groups, due to refusing to lobotomize myself. I would NOT take a nice evening stroll in the hood. fearing that I would be stabbed for my wallet.
I would say I am fairly mild racist, as:
1. I don't think my own race are the master race
2. I am willing to make exceptions for individuals who prove themselves even if they come from a tainted group. (albeit still a bit cautiously)
3. I think that while genetics plays a role, it is overall one of the smaller (albeit still significant) contributors to the problems some groups have. The biggest one being single mothers, followed by drugs, followed by being brainwashed and gaslighted into thinking they are victims
mrttao
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Not just, did you not read his posts? he clearly went on a tangent where he bashes corporate media. And you clearly participated in it.
Something that should have been blatantly obvious
Meeting them in person so I can talk to them. Because both left wing and right wing sources are going to be lying out of their ass.