*Looks at the sheer number kf dead T 34s during Operation Barborossa*
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D:> Oh my god, the initial and barely tested T-34 production run were failures!?
I sure hope the Germans don't repeat that mista-
>Panther D has entered the stage
And they suddenly were less impressed once they got working captures in WW2 and got a good look inside.
T-34 is a tank that does look very good in very surface stats, but the devils are in the details.
It's armor scheme is very good for the time, and works accordingly if constructed with right quality of material and workmanship, but it is also a cause of some of its weaknesses.
Cannons were varied, vary in quality and usefulness, the early ones had major issues especially at longer ranges, the later not so much.
Engine was ok if maintained often, more so than theoretical recommendations in early war, so it kinda depended on unit/crew.
The main weaknesses are the things that are not put on basic stat blocks. The crew ergonomics and optics above all, Allied and German tanks often had a major advantage in those, as T-34 was very barebones in this sort of often expensive equipment. Also radios, namely many early ones didn't even have one at all, and not even intercoms. And once they did, they weren't good either, and the tank was very cramped, thanks in part to its highly sloped armor leaving less volume inside, which got even worse once in later model the missing equipment started to be added, and that made the speed of operation and endurance of the crew even worse than usual for tanks of that era.
This is why German tanks like the Panzer 3's and the Czech captures, clearly worse on basic stat blocks could do so well in armor battles in early war. Sure, their guns and armor may have been kinda sucky, but the crews had good comms and good optics, and were also well trained to use them, which allowed them to spot the other guys first, make advanced tactical moves, and mostly win the battle before it even started by ensuring advantageous positioning and circumstances for themselves.
paulobrito
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The problems of the T-34 are mostly related to where they are built.
If in a tank factory, with specialized operators, is a decent tank. But, if is made in a converted factory by people that barely understand what they are doing - many, because of desperate times - then is a piece of crap.
And yes, the T-34-85 is much superior to the older models.
And the Soviets didn't change to more capable tanks - that they had designed - because that introduced delays in production, something considered unacceptable at the time.
If in a tank factory, with specialized operators, is a decent tank. But, if is made in a converted factory by people that barely understand what they are doing - many, because of desperate times - then is a piece of crap.
And yes, the T-34-85 is much superior to the older models.
And the Soviets didn't change to more capable tanks - that they had designed - because that introduced delays in production, something considered unacceptable at the time.
Can't wait for Fallout: Francia or whatever.
Blasterbot
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great coats and overcoats are great if you don't have to sit down in a vehicle. very warm.
bintananth
behind a desk
The comfort while seated does depend on the coat's fit, the vehicle's roominess, and the wearer's size.
Here's a fun one.
Back in the 1970s, the Air Force requested assistance from NASA in improving the analog fly-by-wire systems that were being used in the then under development YF-16 and YF-17. The YF-16 had full authority FBW and would go on to be the first combat aircraft to take advantage of the FBW + relaxed stability combination; the YF-17 only had partial authority FBW "augmentation" (similar to the F-15) because Northrop was stubbornly old-fashioned.
At that time, NASA's Associate Director for Aeronautics was a fellow by the name of Armstrong, who happened to be very familiar with the digital fly-by-wire system that NASA had pioneered as part of the Apollo program. Armstrong pointed out that Apollo's digital FBW had numerous inherent advantages over the analog FBW systems that the Air Force was considering, which led to NASA developing the world's first digital FBW aircraft -- an F-8C Crusader fitted with a modified Apollo Guidance Computer and corresponding fly-by-wire controls. This was uncreatively named the "Crusader Digital Fly By Wire".
The F-16A went ahead with analog FBW, but the subsequent F/A-18 Hornet became the first production aircraft with digital fly by wire, and later F-16s were upgraded with digital FBW as well. Northrop, ever stubborn, saddled the F-20 Tigershark with another limited "augmentation" system -- one of many reasons no one except fanboys chose it over the F-16.
Back in the 1970s, the Air Force requested assistance from NASA in improving the analog fly-by-wire systems that were being used in the then under development YF-16 and YF-17. The YF-16 had full authority FBW and would go on to be the first combat aircraft to take advantage of the FBW + relaxed stability combination; the YF-17 only had partial authority FBW "augmentation" (similar to the F-15) because Northrop was stubbornly old-fashioned.
At that time, NASA's Associate Director for Aeronautics was a fellow by the name of Armstrong, who happened to be very familiar with the digital fly-by-wire system that NASA had pioneered as part of the Apollo program. Armstrong pointed out that Apollo's digital FBW had numerous inherent advantages over the analog FBW systems that the Air Force was considering, which led to NASA developing the world's first digital FBW aircraft -- an F-8C Crusader fitted with a modified Apollo Guidance Computer and corresponding fly-by-wire controls. This was uncreatively named the "Crusader Digital Fly By Wire".
The F-16A went ahead with analog FBW, but the subsequent F/A-18 Hornet became the first production aircraft with digital fly by wire, and later F-16s were upgraded with digital FBW as well. Northrop, ever stubborn, saddled the F-20 Tigershark with another limited "augmentation" system -- one of many reasons no one except fanboys chose it over the F-16.
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In 1945 polish nationalists partizant liberated concentracion camp in Holleischen,later they go to american where Patton schielded them from soviets.
Here:
Interesting - other sites do not mention fact,that camp was liberated by polish nationalists.
This info missed two things:
1.local czech underground do not wanted action,becouse fear german revenge.
2.Germans want to burn alive "only" jewish womans,not all prisoners.
Here:
Interesting - other sites do not mention fact,that camp was liberated by polish nationalists.
This info missed two things:
1.local czech underground do not wanted action,becouse fear german revenge.
2.Germans want to burn alive "only" jewish womans,not all prisoners.
Freedom in Holysov - United States Holocaust Memorial Museum
In February 1945, I was one of 500 women shipped from a concentration camp in Nuremberg, Germany, after it was totally destroyed by constant bombing. We arrived at Holysov, Czechoslovakia, near Plzen. Some 250 of the women were Jewish and 250 were political prisoners from Poland and Russia.
www.ushmm.org
Here is a firsthand account of the liberation of Holysov from one of the women who was held there. She describes the partisans who liberated the camp as "White Russian", not Polish or Czech, and that the German intent was to incinerate the entire camp, although that information was secondhand.
Yes,i expected that kind of shit.Polish nationalists could not be good,so they become "white russians"
And no,only barracks with jewish womans were prepared for burning by german knights.
One of those stories that takes place in the Cold War that could've resulted in a Cold War Going Hot Scare but actually didn't and apparently went completely detected at the time. The time a Canadian CF-18 Hornet flew into the aerial buffer zone along the border with East Germany during particularly bad weather.
www.twz.com
Hornet Pilot's Cold War Mission Left Him In The "Buffer Zone" Between East And West
A quickly planned high-stakes training mission over Western Germany in bad weather saw a CF-18 pilot seek refuge in a very dangerous place.
www.twz.com
If it's illegal, then every HE round firing autocannon below 30mm and most 30mm ones, also light grenade launcher, on land, air and naval vehicles alike, are illegal.
The real end of the program was suppliers suing each other instead of delivering new prototypes on schedule.
Anyway, the saga continues, with more prototypes in different shapes and sizes coming from various companies, with the same airburst tech:
US Army Precision Grenadier System Update | Soldier Systems Daily
The US Army's Precision Grenadier System effort we told you about last September is underway to handle counter defilade and counter UAS at the squad le ...
soldiersystems.net
The bigger problem is finding a balance between round size, weapon size, and the desired effect, something that also killed the 20mm OICW. XM25 was 25mm, but it's still an open question if that would hold up with body armor becoming more common.
Now many are looking at 30mm and 40mm option and the program also implies rounds effective against drones, but that will only lead to more complaining about weapon and ammo load weight.
The OICW's laser rangefinder system was modelled in Soldier of Fortune 2, and my god it was such a hassle to need like 4 keybinds for the grenade launcher ALONE.
Maybe they are?
It would depend on the precise wording of the treaty, and also whether the modern countries involved are still signatories to it.
Perhaps a distinction needs to be made between infantry-vs-infantry weapons, and anti-air stuff?
If they were, then it's functionally a dead law, because every meaningful military in the whole world uses at least some of it.
But there isn't one in that law, and using AA weapons against ground targets is also something everyone who was in a war did at some point.
I too had that negative experience. It was like a frigging mini menu to drop a grenade where you wanted it IIRC.
Still a solid shooter for it's time though.
bintananth
behind a desk
Robert Rogers Rules of Ranging:
They predate the US Declaration of Independence and US Army Rangers still abide by an updated version of those rules.
They predate the US Declaration of Independence and US Army Rangers still abide by an updated version of those rules.