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We only use the 9mm vecause easier to have more rounds. Majority favor the 45...
And body armor can be peirced by 5.56, just depends on the load and the tip. We can see that even in a combat with other armor wearing military it does an amazing job against them. With Ukrainian units using 5.56 nit failing to penetrate Russian armor.
5.56 is also lighter and can carry more per pound then that if 7.62 ir equivalent
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That's a longstanding rumor that has never actually been confirmed even with the post-Cold War declassification of arcchival material. Even if the story is true, that was only an informal, non-binding quid pro quo between Churchill and Truman.
stephen the barbarian
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It kind-of depends, the aramid/kevlar fibers behind some plates will catch lighter spall but anything that punches through the plate is going through those fibers (unless you're very lucky).
Because the penetrator has gotten all messed up from the plate, it's going to be tumbling, breaking part, or other actions that an AP round won't be doing through unarmored meat.
In that regard armor can be detrimental, to some extent. Granted I'd rather wear a vest than nothing.
And where exactly are you getting this idea?
Both of them are by definition intermediate calibers, as they are smaller and less powerful than full .30-caliber service rifle rounds but larger and more powerful than pistol rounds. The .280 British is even axiomatically an intermediate round, as it was specifically designed as an select fire assault rifle round.
PsihoKekec
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While US propaganda at the time portrayed juramentados as drugged up lunatics, they weren't, they were Islamic zealots on suicide mission and as Miami shootout teaches us, you don't need to be drugged up to fight beyond the point of collapse.
Opium use was widespread in the Moro regions of the Philippines at the time (and well beyond that time... and region).
PsihoKekec
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Opium makes you sluggish, which makes difficult to carry out the kind of attacks that juramentados made, the kind of attacks they were known to make for centuries before the traders brought them opium.
Opium increases pain tolerance which was its purpose when used by the Moros.
Furthermore Opium was imported into what would become the Philippines in the mid-Sixteenth Century. Chinese were emigrating to the Philippines in significant numbers and bringing their opium trade with them starting in the 1600's. The Spanish issued a Royal Decree in 1814 forbidding the Opium Trade and Use in the Philippines... then in 1828 decided to cultivate it themselves for the purpose of export.
The Spanish term of Juramentado as a placeholder for Jihad Warrior wasn't coined until centuries after the introduction of Opium, which was chronicled as being in wide use amongst the Moros as well. While there was always conflict with the Moro population in the Southern Philippines, the idea of "Holy War" against Christians/Spanish wasn't really until the Spanish established themselves in Moro held territory of the Sulu Archipelago in the mid-19th Century.
Also as a petty aside, there was more to Moros then Juramentados. Actual Islamic Suicide Warriors were small in number. There were Moro Warriors who engaged in near suicidal attacks, but it was far from ala due to institutionalized Islamic suicide attacks. Like comparing actual suicide bombers to ISIS or the Taliban at large or Kamikaze pilots to the Imperial Japanese military at large the latter of whom might have 'suicidal' courage in battle.
The Juramentados as I define them, undergo the requisite purity rituals that are vaguely similar to the ones that Islamic suicide bombers have undergone with the ablutions and purifications and other rituals including ones involved with imbibing resin incense and the like. AFAIK Opium isn't involved in it, but opium was likely used by Moro warriors before hostilities in a general sense. The Spanish and some American/Filipinos having no distinction between Moros (Juramentado is basically a Spanish term after all) thus is either right or wrong depending on how you interpret the that specific term.
Which is why I was referring to Moro Warriors in general.
stephen the barbarian
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simply put: less powerful then .30-06 does not equal an intermediate cartridge.
no, both are full powered rifle cartridges intended to engage targets at 800 M +. they are skimming the low edge of what is acceptable for that role, but their muzzle energies are still nearly 1000 J above what would qualify as intermediate.
There is no hard line for intermediate, and if anything, if you set it on the lower end then no one would want to use them anymore in the age of body armor.
They are somewhere on the borderline between intermediate and rifle rounds, i would say .280 leaning more towards AK style intermediate and .276 more towards rifle due to having a higher velocity, which does impact long range ballistics.
Energy wise they sit only ~500J above 7.62x39, which could be considered a perfectly normal intermediate round.
And i mean the military ones. Hot 7.62x39 loads can go even above .280 and .276 in kinetic energy. This is why if anything, size and weight should determine intermediate rounds rather than energy of most common load. After all, does .308 become an intermediate cartridge if you load it cold? Does 7.62x39 become a rifle cartridge if you load it hot and put it in a long barreled rifle?
"Intermediate" rounds lie anywhere in between 8mm Mauser and 9mm Parabellum. Owing to the fact the 8mm Kurz is the OG intermediate round.
Kurz has around half the energy of 8mm Mauser. 1900 joules compared to 3800.
.280/.276 both have around 2700/2800 joules, which...Is certainly in the higher end but given that modern rifles can handle recoil better they seem acceptable for an 'intermediate' cartridge, especially when the US military is trying to give every grunt a fucking handheld cannon with 3600 joules as an 'assault rifle'.
Kurz has around half the energy of 8mm Mauser. 1900 joules compared to 3800.
.280/.276 both have around 2700/2800 joules, which...Is certainly in the higher end but given that modern rifles can handle recoil better they seem acceptable for an 'intermediate' cartridge, especially when the US military is trying to give every grunt a fucking handheld cannon with 3600 joules as an 'assault rifle'.
Watched the YouTuber Warhawk's video on the first day of the Second Battle of Bull Run where Confederate General Thomas 'Stonewall' Jackson managed to ambush four inexperienced brigades of Union infantry with his twenty six thousand troops lying in wait nearby along with multiple batteries of artillery. The lead Union brigade had marched out of danger, while the tail end one broke immediately and fled away into the woods leaving two Union brigades behind with only one battery of artillery supporting them.
The next ninety minutes before nightfall certainly turned out to be a thing when the remaining two brigades decided to not run away nor surrender.
Bruh...
The next ninety minutes before nightfall certainly turned out to be a thing when the remaining two brigades decided to not run away nor surrender.
Bruh...
GROGNARD
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consider this...
During the Battle of Gettysburg one unit, the 26th Regiment North Carolina Troops, suffered losses unsurpassed by those of any other regiment of either side, during any battle during the entire war. The regiment entered the battlefield on 1 July 1863 with a strength 895 men and was the largest regiment present, from either side, at Gettysburg. (the 26th had just recently returned to line of battle following a period of recuperation, recruitment and refit) At the end of the Battle of Gettysburg, "only three officers and sixty-seven men answered roll call." Its casualties were counted: 687 casualty & 137 missing/captured. This is an 92% loss percentage.
On a personal note; the 26th is my family's ancestral unit.
31 family men marched into battle; 3 returned home & one other died in captivity at Lookout Pt., MD.
I do not relish nor glory in their Cause.
I simply acknowledge and honor the sacrifice of ordinary men called to defend their community.
Here stands my son with the Reactivated 26th NC Troops.
A living history organization which educates the public with perspectives from Both sides of the war.
During the Battle of Gettysburg one unit, the 26th Regiment North Carolina Troops, suffered losses unsurpassed by those of any other regiment of either side, during any battle during the entire war. The regiment entered the battlefield on 1 July 1863 with a strength 895 men and was the largest regiment present, from either side, at Gettysburg. (the 26th had just recently returned to line of battle following a period of recuperation, recruitment and refit) At the end of the Battle of Gettysburg, "only three officers and sixty-seven men answered roll call." Its casualties were counted: 687 casualty & 137 missing/captured. This is an 92% loss percentage.
On a personal note; the 26th is my family's ancestral unit.
31 family men marched into battle; 3 returned home & one other died in captivity at Lookout Pt., MD.
I do not relish nor glory in their Cause.
I simply acknowledge and honor the sacrifice of ordinary men called to defend their community.
Here stands my son with the Reactivated 26th NC Troops.
A living history organization which educates the public with perspectives from Both sides of the war.
Home - 26th North Carolina
Civil War Reenactment Regiment. A comprehensive site that includes historical resources, photos, narratives, articles, schedules, rosters, and more.
26nc.org
A really long article from Think DefenCe on Military Motorcycles. History, application and future etc.
www.thinkdefence.co.uk
Almost reads out like an encyclopedia entry.
The Past, Present, and Future of Military Motorcycles (and e-bikes) - Think Defence
Do military motorcycles and e-bikes have a future in the British Army, a few thoughts on the subject.
www.thinkdefence.co.uk
Almost reads out like an encyclopedia entry.
Brief History of Rum and Grog in the Navy by the very generically named YouTuber Johnny Johnson.
Fun fact, the New Zealand Navy didn't eliminate its rum ration until 1990.
Another fun fact, New Zealand apparently had a navy in 1990 and still has one today!
Fun fact, the New Zealand Navy didn't eliminate its rum ration until 1990.
Another fun fact, New Zealand apparently had a navy in 1990 and still has one today!