United States Minnesota; Man, George Floyd, dies during arrest, cause being a cop kneeling on his neck

[Deleted member]

This is a slam dunk involuntary manslaughter case, why should it be escalated to something that's going to be so much harder to prove?

I see a lot of prosecutors, families and activists have an extreme distaste for involuntary manslaughter charges that would be a slam dunk because they feel the punish isn’t harsh enough. Rather than justice they want revenge. From the families that’s fine, but from prosecutors it’s not acceptable.

 

[Largo]

I see a lot of prosecutors, families and activists have an extreme distaste for involuntary manslaughter charges that would be a slam dunk because they feel the punish isn’t harsh enough. Rather than justice they want revenge. From the families that’s fine, but from prosecutors it’s not acceptable.

I mean, the max punishment for involuntary manslaughter from what I just looked up is eight years. I don't blame people who think a cop who killed another man like this should get WAY more than that.

Of course, that many people who think that then turn around and say all sentences should be lowered is another matter entirely.

 

[Zachowon]

I mean, the max punishment for involuntary manslaughter from what I just looked up is eight years. I don't blame people who think a cop who killed another man like this should get WAY more than that.

Of course, that many people who think that then turn around and say all sentences should be lowered is another matter entirely.

EVUL WHITE MEN SHOULD BE CHARGED SUPER HARSHLY but when i do the same can I get a softer sentence?

 

[Deleted member]

@Largo eight years in the state pen isn’t exactly trivial.

 

[Zachowon]

@Largo eight years in the state pen isn’t exactly trivial.

Especially for a cop!

 

[Largo]

@Largo eight years in the state pen isn’t exactly trivial.

Killing a man isn't trivial, and keep in mind that's the maximum penalty. That lady cop who shot the dude in his apartment got 10 years, and people were ticked off at that being too low. If this guy gets only 3-5 years, I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1992 all over again.

 

[Zachowon]

Killing a man isn't trivial, and keep in mind that's the maximum penalty. That lady cop who shot the dude in his apartment got 10 years, and people were ticked off at that being too low. If this guy gets only 3-5 years, I wouldn't be surprised if we get 1992 all over again.

A Cop in prison can be a damn death sentence at times though

 

[Terthna]

I mean, the max punishment for involuntary manslaughter from what I just looked up is eight years. I don't blame people who think a cop who killed another man like this should get WAY more than that.

Of course, that many people who think that then turn around and say all sentences should be lowered is another matter entirely.

Personally I'd argue there should be additional penalties levied whenever a cop commits a crime, as they ought to be held to higher standards than the average citizen.

 

[Spartan303]

I'm very pro law enforcement. That being said, this is inexcusable. the moment the cuffs are on and the resistance ends, that's it. Its a done deal. We are a nation of laws. That means everyone gets justice, everyone. From Jeffrey Dalmer even if he just massacred 20 people less than an hour ago, to the average Joe caught up in something he or she didn't quite understand. Race, color and Creed do not matter. We are all equal under the law. Or at least we should be.

I know Jujitsu and other forms of ground fighting and grappling. Notice how the right leg is moving. That means he's putting all his weight on his left leg which is on the guys neck.

Its very hard to breath while on the ground and without your arms to brace and create space. That pressure of laying prone puts pressure on your lungs that makes it difficult to breath. Additional pressure makes it virtually impossible to breath. I'm amazed the guy lasted 6 minutes given what I know of ground fighting.

 

[Zachowon]

I'm very pro law enforcement. That being said, this is inexcusable. the moment the cuffs are on and the resistance ends, that's it. Its a done deal. We are a nation of laws. That means everyone gets justice, everyone. From Jeffrey Dalmer even if he just massacred 20 people less than an hour ago, to the average Joe caught up in something he or she didn't quite understand. Race, color and Creed do not matter. We are all equal under the law. Or at least we should be.

I know Jujitsu and other forms of ground fighting and grappling. Notice how the right leg is moving. That means he's putting all his weight on his left leg which is on the guys neck.

Its very hard to breath while on the ground and without your arms to brace and create space. That pressure of laying prone puts pressure on your lungs that makes it difficult to breath. Additional pressure makes it virtually impossible to breath. I'm amazed the guy lasted 6 minutes given what I know of ground fighting.

From what others have said he only lasted 3 or 4 the rest he is already dead for.

and learning Army combative I agree, it is not fun doing stuff in the prone.

The cop fucked up, and I did not notice he was putting his weight there! Though what I learned is the collarbone and the upper shoulder is usually where one could focus the point on a resisting suspect.

 

[Senor Hortler]

The whole thing looked hellish, but as awful as it is to say; at least in the USA you can see this sort of thing. My sister works for the police in the UK and the stories she's told me of police being overzealous out of what was essentially sloppy actions due to laziness is horrifying. In the US you guys seem to document it a hell of a lot more.

 

[Zachowon]

The whole thing looked hellish, but as awful as it is to say; at least in the USA you can see this sort of thing. My sister works for the police in the UK and the stories she's told me of police being overzealous out of what was essentially sloppy actions due to laziness is horrifying. In the US you guys seem to document it a hell of a lot more.

Because of bodycams adn the like being mandatory to prevent officers (or it should) From doing illegal activities they are being watched by both thier department or the people aorund them. Cops are considered an oppressive racist cult because of srtong toes to civil rights and a lot of exagerated stories about Racist crimes and lies sprouted by anti police groups

 

[Lanmandragon]

Unarmed, not resisting. There are vidoes of the entire thing. But he was on the ground, unarmed, handcuffed, for 7 minutes, being attacked.

I would, but I don't know about others. This isn't a racial thing, this is a power thing.

Causing harm to a person who isn't resisting is still wrong. Maybe not prosecutable, but that is still abuse. Watch the video from Doomsought, and you can see cops saying that it's their job to listen to the person to make sure not to keep hurting them.

I latgely agree with your assessment of this. It's certainly a racial thing though there's basically 0 chance you'd even have heard about this. If if wasn't a white cop and a black dude let's not be naive here. The focus ob this story had literally nothing to do with police corruption. While having everything to do with pushing a narrative.

 

[Senor Hortler]

Because of bodycams adn the like being mandatory to prevent officers (or it should) From doing illegal activities they are being watched by both thier department or the people aorund them. Cops are considered an oppressive racist cult because of srtong toes to civil rights and a lot of exagerated stories about Racist crimes and lies sprouted by anti police groups

We have bodycam footage. The difference is that when they get to the station the people are simply told 'Nah, let him go' because while the police are overeaching cunts, but they also don't actually do anything when they get you. It's weird.

 

[Spartan303]

From what others have said he only lasted 3 or 4 the rest he is already dead for.

and learning Army combative I agree, it is not fun doing stuff in the prone.

The cop fucked up, and I did not notice he was putting his weight there! Though what I learned is the collarbone and the upper shoulder is usually where one could focus the point on a resisting suspect.

He was still somewhat alive. He expired later, but still somewhat alive.

during combatives training often we were told was that if you found yourself outmatched when facing an opponent who is primarily a striker (punches, kicks and standing fighting) then take it to the ground. The ground is the great equalizer where you limit his options and mobility.

Law enforcement has similar training, so the cop should have known this.

 

[Zachowon]

We have bodycam footage. The difference is that when they get to the station the people are simply told 'Nah, let him go' because while the police are overeaching cunts, but they also don't actually do anything when they get you. It's weird.

I am confused by what you are saying

He was still somewhat alive. He expired later, but still somewhat alive.

during combatives training often we were told was that if you found yourself outmatched when facing an opponent who is primarily a striker (punches, kicks and standing fighting) then take it to the ground. The ground is the great equalizer where you limit his options and mobility.

Law enforcement has similar training, so the cop should have known this.

We are told to always bring them to the ground in cobatives, makes it easier to control and subdue.

As for Leo, it depends on what the situation and the place. Georgia teaches the isreali martial arts Crov what ever instead of taking them down into a grapple fest.

Also has the Autposy report for Floyd come out yet?

 

[Abhorsen]

I latgely agree with your assessment of this. It's certainly a racial thing though there's basically 0 chance you'd even have heard about this. If if wasn't a white cop and a black dude let's not be naive here. The focus ob this story had literally nothing to do with police corruption. While having everything to do with pushing a narrative.

Fair, it's being used as a narrative to talk about racism, but I don't think the officer was racially motivated. I think the cop was motivated by power and believing he can do no wrong because he is a cop. Cops abuse their authority a lot, and it doesn't get mentioned. There ought to be outrage about this for every wrongful police caused death, but if it only happens when white cops hurt black civilians, I'll take the anger and desire to do right where I can get it, and hope that it is put to use reforming the cops and punishing the guilty.

 

[Senor Hortler]

I am confused by what you are saying

In the UK we have and require officers to use bodycam footage, but using it in court, or using it as evidence requires you to have been charged with something, so many of the incidents of police abuse don't get documented in terms of paper filing despite being documented by bodycam footage because when people are abused and dragged to the station they are never charged with anything despite the police smacking them around, or overreaching with their authority.

 

[Zachowon]

In the UK we have and require officers to use bodycam footage, but using it in court, or using it as evidence requires you to have been charged with something, so many of the incidents of police abuse don't get documented in terms of paper filing despite being documented by bodycam footage because when people are abused and dragged to the station they are never charged with anything despite the police smacking them around, or overreaching with their authority.

Well that is why Mob mentality rules here when it comes to this but yeah that is a major issue with all of this. We also never get the full thing. t is up to bodycam footage to prove the cops did nothing wrong or right.

 

[Terthna]

I latgely agree with your assessment of this. It's certainly a racial thing though there's basically 0 chance you'd even have heard about this. If if wasn't a white cop and a black dude let's not be naive here. The focus ob this story had literally nothing to do with police corruption. While having everything to do with pushing a narrative.

Back in the day I was utterly flabbergasted by how little most people protesting police brutality actually cared when the victim was white; there was video out there of homeless people getting stomped to death by police officers for no reason, and the only thing they wanted to focus on was people like Michael Brown. "Hands up, don't shoot" my ass. I even remember another story about a cop getting into a firefight and killing a black suspect that everyone at the time was up in arms about, up until it came out that the officer in question was also black; suddenly, interest in the outcome of the investigation into the shooting evaporated entirely.