They pretty much have to.
Belarus is a Russian puppet state that exists at Russian pleasure.
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Belarus is a Russian puppet state that exists at Russian pleasure.
True but one of the purposes postulated of the SCO is to limit Russian power in Central Asia for the benefit of China as odd as it may sound (since Russia is a member). So Belarus moving to China is an interesting development in this regard as well.
It was probably one of the costs of China's continued support of Russia.
No when Moscov economy depend on China.Putin now is XI vassal,could not act against his wishes.Not mention - what soviet army? they are dying on Ukraine.
Where Moscov would find soldiers to die on Belaruss ?
Sure.How well they would fight ?
Compilation from polish press:
1.New polish goverment is cutting money for polish army - but promise fund ukrainian Legion in Poland
2.New goverment have money for their party meetings in military building/11.7.24,Pruszków/
3.Poland practically do not have bunkers for civilians,but plan to start making them - partially from our Defense Ministry budget.
Again,less money for soldiers.
4.Balts and Poland asked EU for funding fortifications on Moscov-Belaruss border.
5.Poland and greece asked EU for funding AA on such borders.
6.Baltic is not NATO sea - now,both sides have sea denial capacity.As a result,Sweden and Finland made agreement with Norway to deliver troops and stuff through Narvik - which mean,that they give up on Baltic.
7.new leader of NATO is dutch Mark Rutte - who after 2014 hide fact,that dutch officials from 2017 supported building NS2.
8.Latvia is making at least 100 civilian bunkers per month.Poland is doing notching.They do not even try to check which metro stations in Warsaw could be used for that.
9.Polish soldiers on Belarusian border still could not defend border with weapons,and special procurator team made by Tusk minion still is hunting those who try that.
1.New polish goverment is cutting money for polish army - but promise fund ukrainian Legion in Poland
2.New goverment have money for their party meetings in military building/11.7.24,Pruszków/
3.Poland practically do not have bunkers for civilians,but plan to start making them - partially from our Defense Ministry budget.
Again,less money for soldiers.
4.Balts and Poland asked EU for funding fortifications on Moscov-Belaruss border.
5.Poland and greece asked EU for funding AA on such borders.
6.Baltic is not NATO sea - now,both sides have sea denial capacity.As a result,Sweden and Finland made agreement with Norway to deliver troops and stuff through Narvik - which mean,that they give up on Baltic.
7.new leader of NATO is dutch Mark Rutte - who after 2014 hide fact,that dutch officials from 2017 supported building NS2.
8.Latvia is making at least 100 civilian bunkers per month.Poland is doing notching.They do not even try to check which metro stations in Warsaw could be used for that.
9.Polish soldiers on Belarusian border still could not defend border with weapons,and special procurator team made by Tusk minion still is hunting those who try that.
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https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-announces-second-2-billion-military-loan-deal-poland-2024-07-08/
US giving Poland another $2B loan to buy American-made weapons (Exclusive) - Breaking Defense
Warsaw "has a list of things they want to achieve" with the cash infusion, a State Department official told Breaking Defense ahead of a forthcoming formal announcement.
breakingdefense.com
Poland Inks Deal for 48 Patriot Air Defense Launchers
Poland signed a contract to build 48 launchers for the US-designed Patriot air and missile defence systems to boost Warsaw's military capabilities.
www.thedefensepost.com
On Friday, Poland inked a deal with the United States to buy hundreds of AIM-120C AMRAAM air-to-air missiles.
According to Polish media, Warsaw and Washington will in the coming days sign another defense deal on the purchase of 96 US-made AH-64E Apache combat helicopters valued at more than $9 billion.
Shit.We do not need that shit,combat helicopters are arleady obsolate as weapon.https://www.reuters.com/world/us/us-announces-second-2-billion-military-loan-deal-poland-2024-07-08/
US giving Poland another $2B loan to buy American-made weapons (Exclusive) - Breaking Defense
Warsaw "has a list of things they want to achieve" with the cash infusion, a State Department official told Breaking Defense ahead of a forthcoming formal announcement.
Poland Inks Deal for 48 Patriot Air Defense Launchers
Poland signed a contract to build 48 launchers for the US-designed Patriot air and missile defence systems to boost Warsaw's military capabilities.
On Friday, Poland inked a deal with the United States to buy hundreds of AIM-120C AMRAAM air-to-air missiles.
According to Polish media, Warsaw and Washington will in the coming days sign another defense deal on the purchase of 96 US-made AH-64E Apache combat helicopters valued at more than $9 billion.
But,AA is still needed,so not all is useless.
Bad thing is,that we buy costly american shit which we mostly do not need,when we should buy either in Korea or polish factories.
Those can do things that most Soviet ones (except some Mi-28's) used in Ukraine can't. They can pop up from behind terrain with their mast radars and fire long range missiles guided by them while most of the helicopter is hidden from enemy sensors, so getting a lock on it is near impossible, so if used carefully they can fight vehicles and do recon at least even in modern war, and has good self-protection systems on top of that.
You would have had a better point if those were some other model without a mast radar.
You forget drones.Those days,they could swarm helicopters.But - i hope,that either you are right,or Poland would fight only muslims in burning EU in the future.
Preferable in burning Berlin !
You forget that it can also fight drones with a cannon, Stingers and APKWS. That's enough to shoot down a lot of drones. That is if anyone knows to launch a kamikaze drone at it, while it's 5km away and hiding behind buildings with only the mast sticking out.
It's also integrated with drones for targeting, so it doesn't need to see a target at all.
AH-64E Apache teams with two UAVs to identify, attack target
An Apache AH-64E, a Textron Shadow RQ-7BV2 Block 3 tactical UAV and a General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-1C Gray Eagle Extended Range UAV successfully worked together to carry out an air-to-ground missile attack at Dugway Proving Ground in October.
www.flightglobal.com
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It could.But Stinger cost more then racing drone,and even if enemy use 50 of them to down one Apache,it is still worth it.You forget that it can also fight drones with a cannon, Stingers and APKWS. That's enough to shoot down a lot of drones. That is if anyone knows to launch a kamikaze drone at it, while it's 5km away and hiding behind buildings with only the mast sticking out.
It's also integrated with drones for targeting, so it doesn't need to see a target at all.
AH-64E Apache teams with two UAVs to identify, attack target
An Apache AH-64E, a Textron Shadow RQ-7BV2 Block 3 tactical UAV and a General Atomics Aeronautical Systems MQ-1C Gray Eagle Extended Range UAV successfully worked together to carry out an air-to-ground missile attack at Dugway Proving Ground in October.
Probably would be still worth it if they use 1000....
The opportunity cost alone in sending a thousand FPV drones to strike a single piece of military equipment, a very fast helicopter at that, would make it an unwise target as well.
Polish Apaches would likely be operating in a more combined arms environment then you'd see Russians engaging in like what happened in Kursk with the Ka-52 on the opening days of that offensive.
Polish Apaches would likely be operating in a more combined arms environment then you'd see Russians engaging in like what happened in Kursk with the Ka-52 on the opening days of that offensive.
Arranging such a massive attack is extremely hard in terms of timing and EM interference. If a helicopter like that decides to run, cheap racing drones burdened by a warhead will struggle to catch it, while expensive, faster ones like Lancet are worth a Stinger.
And it still has lots of 30mm rounds and 70mm APKWS rockets if it really needs to take down many drones.
With current tech.We buyed those Apaches to serve for next 30 years or so.
Sorry for being unclear.Sending packs made of 5 or more,till they get Apache.And,if they lost 1000,it would still be worth it.
Not one massive attack,but many smaller every time Apache try anytching near front.If they lost 1000 for one downed heli,they still win.