Fallout Perpetual Debate of Bethesda Versus Interplay/Obsidian Fallout World Design
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Scooby Doo
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Well yeah no one will build a shack in front of you lol it's not an RTS settlement building is for players.
Also cap.
This literally exists before you can even make it a settlement, looks like shit yeah but it can be canonically be created by people who only know rudimentary farming.
The player can just be actually good at building stuff once you look at the DLC content, their skill is arguably better than any normal person of the Common Wealth or even the West Coast.Maybe if you had a child like comprehension of the plotline.
The volume of water that can be purified by the FO3 Purifer is on a more significant scale than building a couple hundred mega purifiers in Fallout 4.
The Purifier from Fallout 3 operates on a significantly larger scale, to compare Fallout 4 goes on a 1:1 unit. An industrial water purifier provides 40 or basically the daily water consumption for 40 people.
That's 0.5 gallons per person or 20 gallons of drinking water, to make project purity redundant you would have to craft OVER a million industrial water purifiers which isn't even possible with mods the game would crash long before you reached that amount.
Your Bethestha hate is dulling your critical thinking if you think the settlement crafting voids the plot of Fallout 3 lol
I can build a superior structure to that by myself with the most basic bitch of tools, embarrassing.Well yeah no one will build a shack in front of you lol it's not an RTS settlement building is for players.
Also cap.
This literally exists before you can even make it a settlement, looks like shit yeah but it can be canonically be created by people who only know rudimentary farming.
You're implying the like 100 people in FO3 need the entire fucking basin to be purified instead of just purifying what is needed? FO4 lets you purify enough water for at least 100 people, 200+ depending on how many big settlements you build.Maybe if you had a child like comprehension of the plotline.
The volume of water that can be purified by the FO3 Purifer is on a more significant scale than building a couple hundred mega purifiers in Fallout 4.
The Purifier from Fallout 3 operates on a significantly larger scale, to compare Fallout 4 goes on a 1:1 unit. An industrial water purifier provides 40 or basically the daily water consumption for 40 people.
That's 0.5 gallons per person or 20 gallons of drinking water, to make project purity redundant you would have to craft OVER a million industrial water purifiers which isn't even possible with mods the game would crash long before you reached that amount.
Your Bethestha hate is dulling your critical thinking if you think the settlement crafting voids the plot of Fallout 3 lol
THAT is the issue, why is the GECK, a cold-fusion powered device being squandered for something that TRASH AND SCRAP METAL can be used in it's stead. Even in FO3 there's purifiers in canon which provides Megaton with water.
To be fair, moving bigass containers around could be quite challenging. I guess brahmin and some sort of crane would be needed?
A lot of FO1-2 architecture utilized pre-war stuff, but a lot also used adobe/concrete/masonry sort of looking stuff.
Scooby Doo
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That's just you man, FO East Coast is basically a 3rd world country lol
You're not representative of the entire human race average capability, just look at Haiti. How many people in Haiti do you think can build something better than that?
How many homeless people in America can you show build something better than that?
Citation required that there's only one hundred people canonically in the DC area?
Settlements cap pop at 22 unless you're modding, even if you maxed every possible settlement that's a cap of 750 some NPC's still no where near to compete with the Purifier of Fallout 3 this is facts
Because the Geck can literally reterraform ruined land back to being fertile?
Megaton literally struggled to maintain their purifier and piping system, it would eventually fail whether through its parts failing or the guy maintaining it dying
Just like stop being dishonest dude
You're grasping at straws and very obviously didn't pay attention to the world building in Fallout 3 or 4.
Homeless people actually do create better structures than that sometimes, hell even Haiti probably has a few buildings that are nicer. I don't think you understand just how fucking awful that structure is for ergonomics and living in.
And wastelanders aren't 'average' people, they've had like 200 years of cultural development into less technologically advanced but more survival-savvy beings.
AFRICAN PEASANTS WITH SIXTY IQ AND WITHOUT A WRITTEN LANGUAGE PROVED SUPERIOR TO FALLOUT FOUR WASTELANDERS IN ARCHITECTURE.
>GaslightingJust like stop being dishonest dude
You're grasping at straws and very obviously didn't pay attention to the world building in Fallout 3 or 4.
Embarrassing, you need to try harder than that if you're going to be dishonest on an anonymous sci fi forum. At least get fucking paid to shill Bethesda shit.
Scooby Doo
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Wow look it's so much ergonomically better.
YOU don't seem to understand the general skill lvl of the average person and think everyone's a carpenter
Most of those 200 years were trying to survive the Super mutants and Wild Life and scrounging for water and food.
They didn't have the liberty of extra vaults jump starting their society with technology and resources or the Brotherhood of Steel to protect them from the start of their inception.
They (The East Coast) were also canonically more heavily effected by heavier radiated areas.
Actually most of them don't have doors, nice looking for the one picture with themAFRICAN PEASANTS WITH SIXTY IQ AND WITHOUT A WRITTEN LANGUAGE PROVED SUPERIOR TO FALLOUT FOUR WASTELANDERS IN ARCHITECTURE.
it's not even a real one btw this is the real ones they make
Love how you say I'm a shill for pointing out that Megston's purifier is canonically not capable of sustaining their people much longer, every time I post an actual lore quote that debunks your claim you call me a shill then run away from the topic
But sure if I'm being dishonest prove in the actual lore that it's sustainable, no hypothetical post the source material. I'll wait
It's not logically consistent that Megaton's purifier is on the verge of breaking, whereas some chump from pre-war can run around building purifiers all over the place which apparently don't need maintenance of any form.
All that tells us is Megaton's people are retarded, or Nate 'the rake' is a certified genius among men.
Also you're aware that in FO1 the Ghouls have a perfectly functioning purifier too, right?...And several places have this thing called a 'well'.
You're suggesting the east coast is lacking...Dirt?
I mean hell, at least get chopping on stones/existing brickwork to make a nicer place. There's hundreds of tons of easily salvaged materials just laying around but everyone lives in tetanus infested shitholes that Primitive Technology could outperform in a week.
Dude it's the east cost, there's no dirt or stone there.
Scooby Doo
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You're complaining about logic in a setting where descendants of retarded tribals defeated a super mutant hive mind monster and remnants of the most advanced government in the world.
But some one with an education able to build shit is too much for you the handle?
Ok so if you ask your neighbor if they know how to fix an entire apartments piping system they'd be able to do it on their own?
There's no Internet in Fallout btw
FO1 didn't get nuked as hard as the East Coast, this is canonical fact. Stop smoking whatever your smoking lol
You keep picking randomly West Coast locations that have nothing to do with the East Coast. Stay on topic
Scooby Doo
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Lets just find 3,000 skilled laborers lol
Let's reasonably provide the logistics and resources to feed and hydrate these workers for two to ten years without expecting interference from Deathclaws, Gunners, Raiders or Super mutants.
It'll be easy
Yes, because I also don't want BMW's with optional heated seating in Fallout either. If anything the ability for a retarded tribal to defeat the Enclave almost singlehandedly just proves better buildings should be commonplace. Not LESS common.
If my neighbour had to brave the wilderness of a concrete jungle for 200 years, yeah he'd probably figure it out by then.
Somehow nukes magically stop simple principles like filters and tubes from working?...FO1 didn't get nuked as hard as the East Coast, this is canonical fact. Stop smoking whatever your smoking lol
You keep picking randomly West Coast locations that have nothing to do with the East Coast. Stay on topic
I wish Fallout would return to form. Cold war schitzotech is such a missed aesthetic in gaming.
Scooby Doo
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Why would that suggest better buildings would be more common place? The best buildings in the Post War literally come from people who use nuclear reactors that easily blow up said base.
The NCR in New Vegas still relies on using pre existing structures instead of building their own after five years of being in the Mojave and sending over a thousand people each year there.
If the NCR with substantial man power can't do it because they're too far from their core territory why would the less numerous and less unified East Coast people be any better?
You do know most people in Fallout DON'T live for 200 years right? Even the majority of Ghoul's start forgetting stuff they learned
Where are people getting the filters and tubes from?
Your average FO nuke is radiating anywhere from 20-250 rads a second AFTER immediate detonation,
THE CRITERIA OF RADIATION EMPLOYED IN THE STUDY - The Children of Atomic Bomb Survivors - NCBI Bookshelf
The IRL nukes are outputting a lot less than that and expire much sooner, not to mention the East Coast got hit by more nukes than the West.
Scooby Doo
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Why can't homeless people in LA build that?Who said anything about building a fucking castle?
They can't build something like this?
Fix the roof, more than likely made of slate or glazed pottery and it should do well.