Question. Why do White Identitarians think Whites are not as Violent as other races.

[Sailor.X]

I have been noticing this trend as of late on the internet. Whenever a crime happens some group of White Identitarians would come in and say how group X is Naturally more Violent than Whites when totally ignoring a News report of a White committing a violent murder. Seriously what is up with this mess? Anyone got any thoughts.

 

[Bacle]

Not sure where they get that idea; seems like BS pushed by white supremacists would be my guess. Whites are plenty violent, and historically inter-white violence is part of why we are on the top of the pile. We honed a killing edge going at each other over the years and centuries.

I feel the 'white guilt' narrative the Left pushes is just as much a bunch of BS as the 'whites are superior' stuff Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists push. I ain't ashamed to be white, but I ain't proud of it either; it's not something I had any control over.

 

[Sailor.X]

Not sure where they get that idea; seems like BS pushed by white supremacists would be my guess. Whites are plenty violent, and historically inter-white violence is part of why we are on the top of the pile. We honed a killing edge going at each other over the years and centuries.

I feel the 'white guilt' narrative the Left pushes is just as much a bunch of BS as the 'whites are superior' stuff Neo-Nazi's and white supremacists push. I ain't ashamed to be white, but I ain't proud of it either; it's not something I had any control over.

I have always come from the point of view that people are people. You have good people you have bad people. Everything at the end of the day is about individual choice. When I pointed out to a few of them that every group has violent members. They went on a big multi paragraph rant about how Blacks, Hispanics, Semites And other non white groups are more Violent than Whites. And I shit you not. No Whites go to jail for graphically violent crimes. These people are just...... Yeah.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Because just like the leftists Nazis are collectivists. They look at the white race (and other groups) as a single enity (even if they don't admit it). Plus they're prics who think thier "collective" is superior.

 

[King Krávoka]

They don't, it's exclusively complaints about Africans or Muslims. Negative stereotypes surrounding Asians are different.

 

[Scottty]

When you think about it seriously, "whites" is a very broad category - it has all sorts of very different groups of people, classified together only on the basis of skin colour and a few other superficial characteristics.
The same with "blacks" or "asians" or whatever else.

Talk about whether French or Zulus are more violent, or whether the Tswana are innately more violent than the Irish, and you are asking more meaningful questions.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

Because they are, generally speaking, complete idiots?

Well that and the fact that like most people they only bother to look at data without any understanding of what causes those results.

Take the US, proportionally African Americans produce more criminals than caucasians. In reality this has nothing (or at least virtually nothing) to do with anything inherent to race.

The AA population is, as a whole, far more urban than the caucasian population. That means more exposure to police, more funding for police, and a much harder environment to operate in for criminals (especially violent crime). All else being equal, the vast majority of violent crimes are far easier to solve if committed in an urban environment.

Then you need to account for socioeconomic status. Poor people commit a disproportionate amount of crime (regardless of race), are disproportionately likely to be caught for their criminal acts, and are very disproportionately likely to be convicted/incarcerated for those acts.

Then you need to account for family life and education.

Once you correct for the various factors, you find that the difference in criminality rates/violence between blacks and whites is statistically meaningless.

But then, most of the Identitarians are too stupid and/or ignorant to even understand that the data they are looking at is an emergent property and its validity requires an examination of the various individual factors that cause it. And those that do understand see a benefit from pretending not to.

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Generally speaking, racism is stupid, idiotic, and ignorant and those who advocate for it are fools.

Note that this doesn't merely apply to the Identitarians; I consider the NAACP to be a fundamentally racist organization worthy of nothing but mockery (even if I understand why it was formed, why it continues to exist, and that its existence is a natural consequence of the environment of Jim Crow and the Civil Rights era).

 

[Sailor.X]

Because they are, generally speaking, complete idiots?

Well that and the fact that like most people they only bother to look at data without any understanding of what causes those results.

Take the US, proportionally African Americans produce more criminals than caucasians. In reality this has nothing (or at least virtually nothing) to do with anything inherent to race.

The AA population is, as a whole, far more urban than the caucasian population. That means more exposure to police, more funding for police, and a much harder environment to operate in for criminals (especially violent crime). All else being equal, the vast majority of violent crimes are far easier to solve if committed in an urban environment.

Then you need to account for socioeconomic status. Poor people commit a disproportionate amount of crime (regardless of race), are disproportionately likely to be caught for their criminal acts, and are very disproportionately likely to be convicted/incarcerated for those acts.

Then you need to account for family life and education.

Once you correct for the various factors, you find that the difference in criminality rates/violence between blacks and whites is statistically meaningless.

But then, most of the Identitarians are too stupid and/or ignorant to even understand that the data they are looking at is an emergent property and its validity requires an examination of the various individual factors that cause it. And those that do understand see a benefit from pretending not to.

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Generally speaking, racism is stupid, idiotic, and ignorant and those who advocate for it are fools.

Note that this doesn't merely apply to the Identitarians; I consider the NAACP to be a fundamentally racist organization worthy of nothing but mockery (even if I understand why it was formed, why it continues to exist, and that its existence is a natural consequence of the environment of Jim Crow and the Civil Rights era).

Indeed very true. They also have one other flaw. They can't conceive of a Black Person being a Moderate or Conservative who would vote for Trump. If you tell them this they will swear your are lying because Blacks only vote for Democrats. Like it is impossible for us not too. And if you really press the issue they will say you are a White Leftist pretending to be Black. Here is hoping these idiots never get into elected office.

 

[Laskar]

I have been noticing this trend as of late on the internet. Whenever a crime happens some group of White Identitarians would come in and say how group X is Naturally more Violent than Whites when totally ignoring a News report of a White committing a violent murder. Seriously what is up with this mess? Anyone got any thoughts.

Confirmation bias. If someone believes that other ethnicities are inherently more violent, their brain is going to catalog news stories that confirm that bias and ignore the events that show that their ethnicity can be just as violent. For a white identitarian, these are stories about gangland violence in Chicago, cartel violence in Mexico, migrant violence in Europe and tribal violence in Africa. Violence committed by white people is usually disconfirmed as being driven by an ideology or a mental illness, while other races are generalized into "They're just like that."

I have always come from the point of view that people are people. You have good people you have bad people. Everything at the end of the day is about individual choice. When I pointed out to a few of them that every group has violent members. They went on a big multi paragraph rant about how Blacks, Hispanics, Semites And other non white groups are more Violent than Whites. And I shit you not. No Whites go to jail for graphically violent crimes. These people are just...... Yeah.

Well, there you have it. "Graphically violent" is a purely subjective standard. The person you're talking to is perfectly willing to accept that whites murder people, but he's convinced that the same action done by a black man would be more violent and bloody.

 

[ShieldWife]

Some groups commit more crime, per capita, than other groups. This is a fact. In the USA black people commit violent crimes at a significantly higher rate than white people do, and actually East Asian commit violent crime at a lower rates than white people.

Of course, the great majority of people of all races aren’t violent criminals. And if we’re collectively weighing how violent races are, how do we weigh whites and Asians having lower murder rates with various huge wars both races have waged?

Ultimately, regardless of what actions have been taken by what races as a whole, an individual can only be judged by what they themselves do, not by what other members of their race do or have done.

If someone, though, is concerned about immigration into their nation and the immigrating group commits crime at a higher rate than the locals, how can it be so wrong to be concerned about that?

 

[Laskar]

If someone, though, is concerned about immigration into their nation and the immigrating group commits crime at a higher rate than the locals, how can it be so wrong to be concerned about that?

Well, there's a screening process to sort out the criminals from the people who want to live the American dream, and there is an assimilation process for Americanizing the immigrants. If both processes are working correctly, there's not much to be concerned about. If one or both processes are broken, one needs to make a fact-based assessment of the state of those processes and what steps must be taken to fix them.

 

[Emperor Tippy]

If someone, though, is concerned about immigration into their nation and the immigrating group commits crime at a higher rate than the locals, how can it be so wrong to be concerned about that?

If they are concerned because of the racial/ethnic background of the immigrant then I would tell them to go and actually look into the topic as correlation is not causation.

What matters is ideology, education, culture, and socioeconomic group.

Arguments about preserving or advancing a given ethnicity are simply fundamentally flawed and idiotic. None of them actually have any true validity or legitimacy.

 

[Sailor.X]

Some groups commit more crime, per capita, than other groups. This is a fact. In the USA black people commit violent crimes at a significantly higher rate than white people do, and actually East Asian commit violent crime at a lower rates than white people.

Of course, the great majority of people of all races aren’t violent criminals. And if we’re collectively weighing how violent races are, how do we weigh whites and Asians having lower murder rates with various huge wars both races have waged?

Ultimately, regardless of what actions have been taken by what races as a whole, an individual can only be judged by what they themselves do, not by what other members of their race do or have done.

If someone, though, is concerned about immigration into their nation and the immigrating group commits crime at a higher rate than the locals, how can it be so wrong to be concerned about that?

Ahem. The gap between the number of blacks and whites in prison is shrinking

The only thing that matters is hard data. And lets not forget a lot of people that have ended up in prison got their by the 3 Strikes Laws that were instituted in the 90s. Some of which are only now being repealed.

 

[The Name of Love]

I have been noticing this trend as of late on the internet. Whenever a crime happens some group of White Identitarians would come in and say how group X is Naturally more Violent than Whites when totally ignoring a News report of a White committing a violent murder. Seriously what is up with this mess? Anyone got any thoughts.

Probably because blacks cause more crimes per capita.

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.

More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.

– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

 

[Sailor.X]

Probably because blacks cause more crimes per capita.

– FACT: Despite making up just 13% of the population, blacks commit around half of homicides in the United States. DOJ statistics show that between 1980 and 2008, blacks committed 52% of homicides, compared to 45% of homicides committed by whites.

More up to date FBI statistics tell a similar story. In 2013, black criminals carried out 38% of murders, compared to 31.1% for whites, again despite the fact that there are five times more white people in the U.S.

– FACT: From 2011 to 2013, 38.5 per cent of people arrested for murder, manslaughter, rape, robbery, and aggravated assault were black. This figure is three times higher than the 13% black population figure. When you account for the fact that black males aged 15-34, who account for around 3% of the population, are responsible for the vast majority of these crimes, the figures are even more staggering.

– FACT: Despite the fact that black people commit an equal or greater number of violent crimes than whites, whites are almost TWICE as likely to be killed by police officers.

According to data from the Centers for Disease Control, between 1999 and 2011, 2,151 whites died as a result of being shot by police compared to 1,130 blacks.

Emperor Tippy already explained why those stats are a thing. It has to do with Urban Poverty. The further you get away from Big City environments the less and less crime you see. That goes for all races.

 

[Scottty]

Emperor Tippy already explained why those stats are a thing. It has to do with Urban Poverty. The further you get away from Big City environments the less and less crime you see. That goes for all races.

Unsurprisingly (at least to me) this topic is turning into a Nature vs Nurture debate.

 

[Sailor.X]

Unsurprisingly (at least to me) this topic is turning into a Nature vs Nurture debate.

Indeed. I know where I live in Rural Orangeburg County. Violent crime is practically nonexistent. It is actually shocking to everyone when it happens. Now in the City of Orangeburg. You have way more crime because it is urban. Go 10 miles away and you got nothing really going on.

 

[Lanmandragon]

Ahem. The gap between the number of blacks and whites in prison is shrinking

The only thing that matters is hard data. And lets not forget a lot of people that have ended up in prison got their by the 3 Strikes Laws that were instituted in the 90s. Some of which are only now being repealed.

I'm going to tell you right now the gap is near certain shrinking. Because the instances of white single mothers are increasing. The lack of father's will ruin your culture no matter what the race.

 

[The Name of Love]

Emperor Tippy already explained why those stats are a thing. It has to do with Urban Poverty. The further you get away from Big City environments the less and less crime you see. That goes for all races.

I don't see how that means white identitarians are wrong about whites not being as violent as other races.

 

[Sailor.X]

I don't see how that means white identitarians are wrong about whites not being as violent as other races.

Dude watch the Justice Network, Court TV and go to the websites of some local Newspapers and TV Stations. You get a clearer picture of each case that is violent. The way you are defending their view is making me think you are either leaning towards them or one of them yourself. So which is it.