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A new study of monozygotic twins raised apart in South Korea and the United States provides unique insight into how genetic, cultural, and environmental factors influence human development. The new research has been published in the scientific journal Personality and Individual Differences.
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The researchers found “striking” differences in cognitive abilities. The twin raised in South Korea scored considerably higher on intelligence tests related to perceptual reasoning and processing speed, with an overall IQ difference of 16 points.

In line with their cultural environment, the twin raised in the United States had more individualistic values, while the twin raised in South Korea had more collectivist values.

However, the twins had a similar personality. Both scored high on measures of conscientiousness and low on measures of neuroticism. They also had a similar level of satisfaction with their job, even though their occupations were quite different — a government administrator and a cook. The twins also had similar mental health profiles and had identical scores on the measure of self-esteem.
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It would be interesting to know what factors influenced the different brain development, different education is certainly a factor, but american diet, high in fructose syrup and saturated fats does it no service as well.
 
Captain X said:
Our education system is actively making kids dumber and has been for decades.
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This is true. There have been studies demonstrating that American children are usually ahead of other first world nations when they start school, but then by 4th grade they're at parity at best, and by 6th they're behind.

Of course, that was data from like a decade ago. It's probably much worse now.
 
LordsFire said:
This is true. There have been studies demonstrating that American children are usually ahead of other first world nations when they start school, but then by 4th grade they're at parity at best, and by 6th they're behind.

Of course, that was data from like a decade ago. It's probably much worse now.
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Not doubting that the public school system sucks, but I don’t suppose you or @Captain X have any resources on this you could point me to?

I’m not as well-read on the finer points of the education system, though judging by how much money we’ve been pouring into it without commensurate results… maybe we should try something else. :unsure:
 
Aside from just looking at Common Core, leading into the current day stuff with CRT and grooming, I have no data, I just have the results to look at. And what I'm looking at is how society has gone from being expected to know certain things, with these things being less and less, to current year where adults are infantalized. Our culture has gone from celebrating scientific achievement to celebrating stupidity.
 
Captain X said:
Aside from just looking at Common Core, leading into the current day stuff with CRT and grooming, I have no data, I just have the results to look at. And what I'm looking at is how society has gone from being expected to know certain things, with these things being less and less, to current year where adults are infantalized. Our culture has gone from celebrating scientific achievement to celebrating stupidity.
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Well, I’m definitely aware of CRT and grooming, so… thank God I wasn’t born and attending elementary school 10 years later, I’ll say that much.

Otherwise, I’ll look into the Common Core stuff, though what I can say authoritatively is that it’s too bad more people don’t stop and think about why the education system’s broken to begin with. Or, notice how people have been getting dumber and dumber over the years, though if everyone buys into mass-stultification, anyway… well, maybe they deserve what they’re getting, to an extent. :rolleyes:
 
@Zyobot

One thing you also need to see as a counterweight is the percentage of school age kids now in home school vs what was going on, and Covid was hidden blessing in that regard. I've seen varying statistics that show between 8-11% of the US school-age population is homeschooling. That's roughly a 300% increase from 2007 levels. It's also one of the main ways we'll get 'our kids' out of the public 'education' trap.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
@Zyobot

One thing you also need to see as a counterweight is the percentage of school age kids now in home school vs what was going on, and Covid was hidden blessing in that regard. I've seen varying statistics that show between 8-11% of the US school-age population is homeschooling. That's roughly a 300% increase from 2007 levels. It's also one of the main ways we'll get 'our kids' out of the public 'education' trap.
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I mean, @Typhonis is probably right about the left pushing for a homeschool ban. True, it may be worded differently and take on the form of a bunch of separate statutes and regulations designed to “regulate” homeschooling, but that‘s still a creeping de facto ban, which will no doubt be buttressed by the news media pumping out articles with headlines like Germany’s Approach to Homeschooling or something. They’ve already done that by floating Australia as a model for gun control, you may recall, so I wouldn’t be surprised if they start to suggest mandatory school enrollment in the same way they suggested support for Australia’s mass-gun buyback. (Our tax dollars are still going to public schools, too, regardless of how popular homeschooling or private schools become.)
 
@Typhonis @Zyobot
I have not doubt that the Left would LOVE to ban homeschooling. However, that's a fight that'll push even MORE people away from them. States like Texas have been buttressing their support of home schooling, and efforts are being made to move the tax dollars for education to WHEREVER the child goes to school.

In fact, there are movements to decouple Texas from the Federal education system altogether. Those aren't in a place where I think you'll have enough votes to make it happen, but that effort is in its infancy (relatively speaking). Heck, only something like 10% of the education money in Texas comes from Federal programs and education assistance. I imagine that % varies by state a good bit.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
@Typhonis @Zyobot
I have not doubt that the Left would LOVE to ban homeschooling. However, that's a fight that'll push even MORE people away from them. States like Texas have been buttressing their support of home schooling, and efforts are being made to move the tax dollars for education to WHEREVER the child goes to school.

In fact, there are movements to decouple Texas from the Federal education system altogether. Those aren't in a place where I think you'll have enough votes to make it happen, but that effort is in its infancy (relatively speaking). Heck, only something like 10% of the education money in Texas comes from Federal programs and education assistance. I imagine that % varies by state a good bit.
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Hmm, I haven't seen anything on homeschooling underway in Texas. Granted, there's probably a "reason" I haven't heard about that—or all that much about homeschooling in general, really—so I don't suppose you have some references to point me to?

In any case, I imagine states with lots of federally subsidized schooling will only double down as their more conservatively-inclined neighbors start to decouple, which will only bifurcate the country further, since the amount of federal assistance probably varies along partisan lines. Plus, there's also the fact Texas has been getting bluer lately, so while I wouldn't go so far as to be Mr. Black Pill just yet, that's still something to be conscientious of when taking on the Left.
 
Zyobot said:
so I don't suppose you have some references to point me to?
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There's lots of studies out there you can find. Here's one: How Many Homeschool Students Are There in the United States? Pre-Covid-19 and Post-Covid-19: New Data - National Home Education Research Institute (nheri.org) - takes a pretty good look at how the numbers are generated.

US Dept Ed stated that somewhere around 3.5-4% of kids were homeschooled in 2016 and that number has gone up to near 11% in '21. Covid and CRT both driving parents to homeschool. The problem with these statistics is that it just measures 'households where homeschooling is happening' and not the number of children in the household receiving homeschooling.

Zyobot said:
Plus, there's also the fact Texas has been getting bluer lately
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That's a very debatable point. Sure, the metroplexes are blue (Austin is California in Texas unfortunately. Though, they did recently replace the law that made vagrancy a crime...so no camping anywhere you want again.), but the rural areas are not going blue at all, and the border towns are becoming increasingly Red...which is a HUGE change for Texas. The Hispanic vote is moving more red, and is in no way a Blue Block anymore.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
There's lots of studies out there you can find. Here's one: How Many Homeschool Students Are There in the United States? Pre-Covid-19 and Post-Covid-19: New Data - National Home Education Research Institute (nheri.org) - takes a pretty good look at how the numbers are generated.

US Dept Ed stated that somewhere around 3.5-4% of kids were homeschooled in 2016 and that number has gone up to near 11% in '21. Covid and CRT both driving parents to homeschool. The problem with these statistics is that it just measures 'households where homeschooling is happening' and not the number of children in the household receiving homeschooling.

That's a very debatable point. Sure, the metroplexes are blue (Austin is California in Texas unfortunately. Though, they did recently replace the law that made vagrancy a crime...so no camping anywhere you want again.), but the rural areas are not going blue at all, and the border towns are becoming increasingly Red...which is a HUGE change for Texas. The Hispanic vote is moving more red, and is in no way a Blue Block anymore.
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Okay, thanks.

Yeah, I suppose there's a real urban-rural divide at play here that didn't cross my mind initially. Rural counties tend to vote Red, I think, while urban ones are solidly Blue and can swing whole states one way, due to population density. Still, better beware of Democratic attempts to tighten their chokeholds on New York and California, since they're the ones making statewide laws there.
 
The Whispering Monk said:
There really is, though it's not stupendously monolithic in the cities...at least from what I've seen in Texas. Austin comes the closest.
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I know Austin's pretty Blue, yes.

At any rate, "interesting times" lie ahead, and whatever happens within the next few years definitely won't be the end of it.
 
Typhonis said:
Until the Left tries banning homeschool.
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You are way behind the times. The left has been trying to make homeschooling illegal for decades, and aside from a couple of states where it's fairly restricted, have been utterly defeated in every regard.

And this isn't something they can casually overturn, either. There are both court rulings establishing legal precedent, and laws on the books with a dedicated lobby backing them up. Homeschoolers have been fighting legal battles many haven't even been aware existed for a very long time.

Not to say the left couldn't cause some damage here, but it's not an issue that they can just blitz before anyone even knows what's happening, much less subvert in silence like they often have before.
 
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