Razorfist Weighs in on the Virgina boogaloo
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ShadowsOfParadox
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...isn't that thingy with no grandfather provisions mean it's an ex post facto law and thus unconstitutional?
you can't make something illegal and then try someone for something they did BEFORE it became illegal, that's illegal...
that's a lot of illegals.
you can't make something illegal and then try someone for something they did BEFORE it became illegal, that's illegal...
that's a lot of illegals.
Notice how there is now a conservative supreme court now? Notice how all of the courts are swinging further right?
Shipmaster Sane
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All gun laws are unconstitutional. Licensing for guns is unconstitutional.
D
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There's all kinds of issues with gun laws. Take, for example, the federal law which made it illegal for someone convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence to possess a firearm--that applied retroactively on the grounds that it was a classification, not a punishment. Same thing with mental health restrictions. If you were committed to an asylum before the gun control act in the sixties was passed, you could legally possess a firearm afterwards... Until the day you couldn't anymore. So people who might have fought civil commitment if they knew it was going to cost them the right to possess firearms forever never had a chance to make that decision, because it happened in the future. Or in a few states, reclassifying what mentally ill is so more people fall into the category and are suddenly prohibited under federal law (and state law in some cases) from possessing firearms based on some bureaucrat's interpretation of what commitment counts as--this has caught a lot of veterans who the DoVA has given mental health treatment to, for example. In short, gun laws are rife with this kind of unconstitutional retroactive punishment, because liberal courts have gone along with the idea that it's not a punishment to lose a constitutional right (!!). One can see how the same principle could be used to administratively declare that, for example, advocating that abortion is a moral crime is a terroristic threat because it hurts the feelings of abortionists, and then suddenly charge a bunch of pro-life advocates with felonies for utterances that occurred before the reclassification.
Shipmaster Sane
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Reminder that the first gun laws were passed by confederfags too scared to fight black hillbillies armed with rusted ass muskets and shit even with a ten to one advantage and the element of surprise.
Shipmaster Sane
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We found this republican party to defeat those twin relics of barbarism; slavery and bigamy.
ShadowsOfParadox
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... ... ... ... ... ... ... ...can someone get one of these retroactively applied cases in front of the Supreme Court today? Please?
I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A WORLD WITH LEGAL EX POST FACTO LAWS!!!!
The fething hells did any judge ever let that happen? How the fething hells did they not pause and go "ok, what else can this absurdly broad breach of the Constitution be applied to?"...
The more I learn of the US's legal system the more disturbed I get.
I DON'T WANNA LIVE IN A WORLD WITH LEGAL EX POST FACTO LAWS!!!!
The fething hells did any judge ever let that happen? How the fething hells did they not pause and go "ok, what else can this absurdly broad breach of the Constitution be applied to?"...
The more I learn of the US's legal system the more disturbed I get.
D
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Well, you see, ex post facto laws are okay when they're for disarming bad people who shouldn't have guns... Like conservatives, y'know? Science says conservativism is a mental illness, after all!
(perhaps that is the end-game of all those attempts to psychiatrically pathologise conservatism).
PLEASE NOTE.
NO LAW HAS BEEN PASSED YET.
So far, in Virginia, this is still proposed. Courts CANNOT hear cases on PROPOSED legislation, in order to have a case under US law you must first have a conflict. In order for there to even BE a conflict the law must first be passed and added to the books. Now, for MOST laws, you then must have to have someone actually impacted by the law (in this case, someone refuse to turn over their guns and then be tried); however, in this case, due to the large number of people potentially impacted and the clear direct impact, the courts will probably wave that and instead allow it to go forward.
Trust me, every gun rights group in Virginia and the country is gearing up for the legal fight and will likely have filed lawsuits in both the Commonwealth and Federal court the minute the ink is dry on the governor's signature, but until the legislation is actually signed into law, the courts cannot get involved.
All that said... this has the makings of an UGLY mess. Something a LOT of folks don't realize is that Virginia has some of the LOOSEST gun laws in the country. In point of fact up until 2019 TEXAS was more restrictive of gun rights than Virginia (presently) is. There's a very strong gun culture in Virginia and has been for, well, our entire history.
All I can say is that I HOPE that everything goes down peacefully or, at worst, we have the Gunpowder Incident 2020 edition... however, there's something about all this that makes me very, VERY worried...
MementoMori
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Hey maybe the Governor is just a closet proponent of the Second Amendment and simply want to show Americans why it's so important.
And so in his fervor decided to create the tyrannical government so that Virginians have somebody to fight against. /s
And so in his fervor decided to create the tyrannical government so that Virginians have somebody to fight against. /s
Arch Dornan
Oh, lovely. They've sent me a mo-ron.
Deus Ex would be quite prophetic about that.
LordsFire
Internet Wizard
The answer to this is very simple. At some point, the leadership of the Democratic party decided that they cared more about pushing their cultural and social agenda, than the rule of law. And they started getting judges appointed who held their progressive ideology as superior to the law they had sworn to uphold.
Thus, we have for decades had judges trying to write law from the bench.
It's basically a way of circumventing actual law, the will of the people, and the electoral process. Complicity in the media has helped them get away with this.
Make no mistake what is taking place in Virginia is gonna be shown in every Super Pack and Candidate Campaign ad in every state by every Conservative and gun supporting group. The Democrats in Virginia just screwed gun control efforts in the US forever and the fall out will be....... Well I will let Kor say it for me.
