Breaking News Robert F Kennedy Jr. is considering a 2024 POTUS Run To Challenge Biden

[ParadiseLost]

In fact, the reality is the entire Judeo-Christian mythology and religious dogma much of the right pulls it's politics from are completely and utterly based in the 'just world' hypothesis. I mean, how many times have we seen religious nuts in the US say that a storm or earthquake is 'god's vengeance' for some social issue or event that religious folks disapprove of.

Am I the only one who remembers some of the Right say that Hurricane Katrina was 'god's vengence' for allowing homosexuals to exist in our society?

Again, am I the only one who remembers the 'Hurricane Katrina was god's vengeance' crap that came from some on the Right wing in the US back then.

I would recommend reading Job. Its the oldest book in the Bible, and basically exists to refute the exact sort of thinking you are ascribing to Christianity.

There is sections of the Bible that implicitly talk about how bad things can be a sign of God's judgment, but frequently throughout the Bible it is stated that bad things are not in and of themselves to be seen as a sign of God's judgment.

From Matthew 5:

44 But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you, and persecute you;

45 That ye may be the children of your Father which is in heaven: for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust.

46 For if ye love them which love you, what reward have ye? do not even the publicans the same?

Insofar as Christianity states that we live in a 'just world,' that is solely because of the inevitable return of Christ and all that is implied by that, not that the current world is in itself just.

 

[Bacle]

I would recommend reading Job. Its the oldest book in the Bible, and basically exists to refute the exact sort of thinking you are ascribing to Christianity.

There is sections of the Bible that implicitly talk about how bad things can be a sign of God's judgment, but frequently throughout the Bible it is stated that bad things are not in and of themselves to be seen as a sign of God's judgment.

From Matthew 5:


Insofar as Christianity states that we live in a 'just world,' that is solely because of the inevitable return of Christ and all that is implied by that, not that the current world is in itself just.

Yeah, and that doesn't mean shit when the adherents are going 'this hurricane is god's wrath for accepting homosexuals in our society' or the like.

You can quote from any of the pseudo-historical texts crammed into the Bible, it doesn't change what is happening/has happened with religious nuts trying blame weather and events as 'god's wrath for X' crap.

Because it sounds like it's those type who need to read Job, though I doubt it will change their attitudes.

Just like with how ideally RFK Jr. should have Secret Service protection by now, the ideal of religious nuts actually paying attention to what their holy book says about things like 'the weather is not god's wrath for X' shouldn't be farcical.

However, that is the reality we live in.

Though given the amount of contradictions in the bible. I'm not surprised even many hard core adherents gloss over or pick and chose what to follow from it.

 

[Bear Ribs]

Yeah, and that doesn't mean shit when the adherents are going 'this hurricane is god's wrath for accepting homosexuals in our society' or the like.

You can quote from any of the pseudo-historical texts crammed into the Bible, it doesn't change what is happening/has happened with religious nuts trying blame weather and events as 'god's wrath for X' crap.

Because it sounds like it's those type who need to read Job, though I doubt it will change their attitudes.

Just like with how ideally RFK Jr. should have Secret Service protection by now, the ideal of religious nuts actually paying attention to what their holy book says about things like 'the weather is not god's wrath for X' shouldn't be farcical.

However, that is the reality we live in.

Though given the amount of contradictions in the bible. I'm not surprised even many hard core adherents gloss over or pick and chose what to follow from it.

The adherents or this one tiny extremist group that's been massively magnified by the media to play it up to the gullible? Because there's no group, ever, where you can't manage to find at least a few idiots and biased journalists are inevitably all over that.

Westboro Baptist Church is about seventy people but the way the Media plays them up you'd think they represent mainstream Christianity. Meanwhile, the March for Life brings in tens of thousands every year, even when they have to march through two feet of snow to do it, but if you only listen to MSM you wouldn't even know they exist.

 

[Jormungandr]

The adherents or this one tiny extremist group that's been massively magnified by the media to play it up to the gullible? Because there's no group, ever, where you can't manage to find at least a few idiots and biased journalists are inevitably all over that.

Westboro Baptist Church is about seventy people but the way the Media plays them up you'd think they represent mainstream Christianity. Meanwhile, the March for Life brings in tens of thousands every year, even when they have to march through two feet of snow to do it, but if you only listen to MSM you wouldn't even know they exist.

Ah yes, the Westboro Baptists. I remember having a good chuckle at their stupidity back in the day.

 

[ParadiseLost]

Yeah, and that doesn't mean shit when the adherents are going 'this hurricane is god's wrath for accepting homosexuals in our society' or the like.

What sort of moron assigns the heaviest weight to the stupidest peoples opinions?

 

[Bigking321]

What sort of moron assigns the heaviest weight to the stupidest peoples opinions?

Shrug. Happens all the time.

I just assume it's people starting from a negative position and looking for reasons that support that negative bias instead of looking at all the info.

Like radical environmentalists only looking at data that supports the decided conclusion and ignoring everything else.

 

[strunkenwhite]

The adherents or this one tiny extremist group that's been massively magnified by the media to play it up to the gullible? Because there's no group, ever, where you can't manage to find at least a few idiots and biased journalists are inevitably all over that.

Westboro Baptist Church is about seventy people but the way the Media plays them up you'd think they represent mainstream Christianity. Meanwhile, the March for Life brings in tens of thousands every year, even when they have to march through two feet of snow to do it, but if you only listen to MSM you wouldn't even know they exist.

The Westboro Baptists may represent a tiny fringe that can be safely dismissed for most purposes, but can you really say the same of the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?

 

[Bacle]

The Westboro Baptists may represent a tiny fringe that can be safely dismissed for most purposes, but can you really say the same of the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?

Yep, when we had people like Pat Robertson and other Evangelicals pushing the 'X event is God's wrath for Y sin' for a number of things, pretending it's just a tiny fringe is disingenious.

 

[Bear Ribs]

The Westboro Baptists may represent a tiny fringe that can be safely dismissed for most purposes, but can you really say the same of the likes of Jerry Falwell and Pat Robertson?

That depends on what you think they said.

Even fairly liberal fact-checkers like Snopes admit that Pat Robertson is misquoted and misattributed in "wrath of god" claims. If you actually believe he said them, you're clowning yourself.

God's Wrath

Did Pat Robertson say that Hurricane Katrina was caused by God's anger over Ellen Degeneres?

www.snopes.com

And even left-leaning sources like NPR admit that Christians completely abandoned Falwell over his misdeeds. Christians do not listen to such people since the truth comes out.

 

[strunkenwhite]

That depends on what you think they said.

Even fairly liberal fact-checkers like Snopes admit that Pat Robertson is misquoted and misattributed in "wrath of god" claims. If you actually believe he said them, you're clowning yourself.

That depends on the "wrath of god" claims in question. I had in mind the one Snopes presents as the "if you want to dunk on Robertson, you don't even need to make anything up" option: "I would warn Orlando that you're right in the way of some serious hurricanes, and I don't think I'd be waving those flags in God's face if I were you. [...] It'll bring about terrorist bombs; it'll bring earthquakes, tornadoes, and possibly a meteor."

As for Falwell, I had the father in mind. He's dead now, like Robertson, but he was of the same ilk and influential in his day. I admit I don't really follow the scene nowadays, and to the extent that I do I mostly gnash my teeth at the existence of prosperity gospel and the melding of "end times" preaching with politics. But as for the son, it sounds like they abandoned him over his sexual misbehavior, not his other misdeeds let alone bad takes, right?

 

[ShieldWife]

Honestly I think thats going to be the wave of the future for any one who runs against the establishment private security.

If I were an anti-establishment candidate, I’d probably trust a private security firm a lot more than the secret service. As RFK Jr can see from his own family.

PS - why are we discussing Pat Robertson?

 

[VictortheMonarch]

So a heavily armed man tried to infil RFK Jr's security detail, using what is said to be something that seemed like a US Marshal's badge, but was contained and detained by RFK Jr's private security, since Biden and DC will not ok Secret Sevice protection for him, despite announcing his run for 2024.

Don't forget the guy's "Brother" immediately blamed it on Trump.

 

[Blasterbot]

If I were an anti-establishment candidate, I’d probably trust a private security firm a lot more than the secret service. As RFK Jr can see from his own family.

PS - why are we discussing Pat Robertson?

someone went Christians are bad hypocrites who all believe WestBoro Baptist bullshit. people respond with no that is a fringe. brings up more extreme crazies that had a following a decade or 2 ago that nobody particularly cares about. I don't really know about that guy. I don't know anyone who has referenced him before. a quick google search says he was a dick who said 9/11 happened because of the gays. I doubt it Muslims throw gays off of buildings and cliffs. they don't drop buildings on them.

 

[ShieldWife]

One of the core tenets of Christianity is that life isn’t fair. Even go back to Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament and it says that life isn’t fair. Complete tangent though.

Anyway. Any news on the guy trying to sneak into RFK’s security? Have they found out what three letter agency sent him?

 

[Cherico]

One of the core tenets of Christianity is that life isn’t fair. Even go back to Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament and it says that life isn’t fair. Complete tangent though.

Anyway. Any news on the guy trying to sneak into RFK’s security? Have they found out what three letter agency sent him?

Betting odds are either on the FBI or the CIA.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

There’s an off chance he really is just a random nutter…but if he isn’t, do you really think America’s runaway Praetorian Guard wouldn’t have plausible deniability baked into any assassination attempt?

 

[Cherico]

There’s an off chance he really is just a random nutter…but if he isn’t, do you really think America’s runaway Praetorian Guard wouldn’t have plausible deniability baked into any assassination attempt?

 

[Bacle]

Eric Clapton Helps Robert F. Kennedy Jr. Raise $2.2 Million

Rock legend Eric Clapton helped Robert F. Kennedy Jr. raise $2.2 million at a private fundraiser event in Los Angeles on Monday night.

www.breitbart.com

This is why the Dems are scared of RFK Jr. and are trying to pretend he isn't running; he has cultural pull with a lot of their base that Biden cannot match.

 

[VictortheMonarch]

One of the core tenets of Christianity is that life isn’t fair. Even go back to Ecclesiastes in the Old Testament and it says that life isn’t fair. Complete tangent though.

Anyway. Any news on the guy trying to sneak into RFK’s security? Have they found out what three letter agency sent him?

Obviously the FBI. When the CIA wants someone dead it isn't as sloppy and tends to succeed. Look at RFK and JFK for example.

 

[Cherico]

Obviously the FBI. When the CIA wants someone dead it isn't as sloppy and tends to succeed. Look at RFK and JFK for example.

The CIA screws up assasinations all of the time.

Take castro that was just sad.