Russia(gate/bot) Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Husky_Khan]

Yep; if Russia engages in genocidal tactics against Ukraine, it's 'based'.

If the west wants to treat Putin supporters like enemy agents and combatants when they are outside Russia, suddenly now he objects and acts like someone is calling for the extermination of all Russians.

If only there was a way to "culturally assimilate" the Putin supporters found abroad. Especially focusing on the women and children since they're particularly vulnerable and ripe for "cultural assimilation." Then it should be good and very based. (EDIT: And you'll have no disagreements!)

 

[Bacle]

If only there was a way to "culturally assimilate" the Putin supporters found abroad. Especially focusing on the women and children since they're particularly vulnerable and ripe for "cultural assimilation." Then it should be good and very based.

Who'd want them, though?

Russia has to kidnap people to make up for failing demographics; others kidnapping Russians would require those Russians be worth something other than ransom/hostage exchange.

 

[King Arts]

Not illegal like in most of the world. "Illegal". Read up on the article, it's not even limited to rich people like in SA and as rumors go in more civilized countries, but including farm labor and brick factories, and the local government red tapes away attempts to fight that, so closer to rural China and outright third world shitholes.

So you are saying there is no difference between that where it is technically illegal but it is still practiced semi hidden and open public slave markets?

Then they couldn't maintain the missiles. They have their own missiles though, lots of models. It's the warheads that are the issue. And they are most likely close to having their own too, if they don't have a bunch already. Though from what i've heard, if they used those with Russian fissiles, some experts could detect whose fissiles those were by the composition/byproduct radioactive profile on account of refining methods used, so questions would be asked.

I think Iran can maintain the missile. It's the nukes itself that it does not have.

Also what if the sale of nukes was public? Russia publicly gives nuclear warheads to nations to get money? Even if you know where the Uranium was made that doesen't really help you since now many more groups have nuclear weapons.

 

[Marduk]

So you are saying there is no difference between that where it is technically illegal but it is still practiced semi hidden and open public slave markets?

Not a big difference at least, whether the slave markets are semi-hidden or open air, they are still slave markets.

I think Iran can maintain the missile. It's the nukes itself that it does not have.

Also what if the sale of nukes was public? Russia publicly gives nuclear warheads to nations to get money? Even if you know where the Uranium was made that doesen't really help you since now many more groups have nuclear weapons.

You start giving/encouraging your own allies to get fun toys. That means Poland, Taiwan, Japan, SK, possible even Ukraine and Turkey, stealth cruise missiles for allies get thrown in with the deal if the US leadership feels particularly pissed off. Now not only everyone gets to feel more nervous, but the expansionist empires no longer get to have their expansion attempt button. Basically, nuclear non-proliferation gets to be dead, and the other side will also feel the consequences, which in its case are in fact worse, especially for China which gains nothing as its close pawns are already nuclear and loses a lot in this situation as its enemies aren't, so they would would want to have words with Russia about doing this.

Note that merely having a bunch of warheads is a far cry from effective second strike capability and few countries may get to feel that on their own skin in that scenario. Russia gains a little money for taking another major increase to the list of countries that hate it - and if China is not in the mood for bullshit that might actually break their economy.

 

[Cherico]

Yep; if Russia engages in genocidal tactics against Ukraine, it's 'based'.

If the west wants to treat Putin supporters like enemy agents and combatants when they are outside Russia, suddenly now he objects and acts like someone is calling for the extermination of all Russians.

Dude war sucks in general always has always will

 

[Bacle]

Dude war sucks in general always has always will

Yes, which is why the west needs to be doing everything it can to help Ukraine end this as fast as they can, and preparing for when Russia begins to collapse after the loss hits home.

 

[Zachowon]

I thought you were some form of intelligence, so I'd think you get to warm a chair in a cubicle.

Again, depends on where station

I was intel. I was just behind the line with the fighters when deployed.

Yeah but you were All Source

 

[Jormungandr]

Yes, which is why the west needs to be doing everything it can to help Ukraine end this as fast as they can, and preparing for when Russia begins to collapse after the loss hits home.

While the dominos have already started falling, I think the first "public" one will be when the less die-hard Putin Cultists realize that their Supreme Leader just fucked over their country harder than "fresh meat" dropping and picking up a bar of soap in a prison shower.

Combine that with how a lot of non-cultist Russians are being persecuted by friends, family, and the state? Yeah, it's not going to end well.

Russia as we know it is fucked. It just doesn't know it yet.

The only thing that can be done instead of trying to waste resources in saving that clusterfuck of a nation is to contain it, let it collapse, and ride out the damage.

The refugees fleeing are going to be a main issue -- the surrounding nations are now not friendly to Russians on the whole, despite their historical/formerly friendly ties because of Russia's own actions.

In Europe? Yeah, no. Any Russians there aren't going to be viewed kindly, and it's highly likely there will only be a token amount accepted in countries like Poland. Northern Europe? Hah, no. Just no, though Sweden might cuck out.

Asia? Places like Kazakhstan, Turkmenistan, Georgia, et cetera may take Russian refugees fleeing a collapse, but even then they won't take that many because they wouldn't want to be inundated. Unlike countries like Germany and Sweden, they know that having foreigners having a significant majority with your native population is a recipe for disaster.

Turkey? Yeah, they may take in a few thousand, but they wouldn't want to be flooded. It might just be a token showing of support, basically.

The Far East? Don't make me laugh -- China would have a field day exploiting desperate Russians at best for things like cheap labour (and at worst? Yeah, I wouldn't even want to think about it). They also wouldn't want a horde of desperate Russian civilians repeating what Ancient Egypt went through with groups of the Sea People's trying to claim the outer areas of their country for their own by settling it.

A region I can say for certain that'll try shit to break free will be Chechnya -- I'm not sure about there being other regions that'd want to break away. A Third Chechen War is going to happen now that Russia's military is in shambles... and this time, the movement may win.

Even if they somehow did win the "special operation" in Ukraine right now through act of God or little green space aliens, the damage is already done.

 

[Free-Stater 101]

Oh, my, if you ree so hard and immediately start throwing shit in an attempt to change the subject then I MUST have hit a nerve.
So, do you even have polish roots at all?

Obvious distraction is obvious.

Yeah, No. Get on topic and stop making this personal.

Any time, Glowkowalski.
Any time.

Ok Ivan.

Stop this childness! Name calling is for toddlers not grown men!

Final warning, if I feel either of you are trying to initiate something or goad someone into initiating something again or lowering yourself to argue like an idiot to an idiot you won't like the results, I mean it!

 

[The Whispering Monk]

I mean it!

I can't help myself....

"Anyone wanna peanut?!"

I'll see myself out.

 

[mrttao]

Yep; if Russia engages in genocidal tactics against Ukraine, it's 'based'.

If the west wants to treat Putin supporters like enemy agents and combatants when they are outside Russia, suddenly now he objects and acts like someone is calling for the extermination of all Russians.

> Reeducation to erase culture without killing anyone is genocide
> Actual mass slaughter of children is not genocide
- bacle & husky_khan

clown world

also, I called you hypocrites because you were screaming at me that I am a genocidal evil failed person back then.
Yet then immediately turn around and start advocating for actual genocide, with mass child slaughter

very selective rules enforcement too.
I said "X is not genocide"? that is breaking the rules! It advocates genocide which is against rule 1!
You call for actual mass slaughter of children based on them being "orc" children? no rule breaking there.

 

[Agent23]

Yeah, No. Get on topic and stop making this personal.



Stop this childness! Name calling is for toddlers not grown men!

Final warning, if I feel either of you are trying to initiate something or goad someone into initiating something again or lowering yourself to argue like an idiot to an idiot you won't like the results, I mean it!

I am not trying to initiate anything, or goad anyone into anything, I find it sus that someone claiming to be a Pole is posting at times that make it look like he is in an US timezone and doesn't know basic bitch stuff about Poland, like when their 3 senquentul national holidays are, I find that person's loud and angry overreaction sus too, especially given how obsessed he has been with my nationality and with insinuating that I am Russian when I first got into a heated conversation with him.
Turnabout is fair play, and sauce for the goose is sauce for the ganger, or whatever, no?
Somebody decided to overreact about that and post a distraction/indirect insinuation thet I am somehow related to organized crime.

Any reason why you are putting the quotes out of order, you know, where he calls me Ivan first?

As to the name Ivan itself:


Ivan (Cyrillic: Иван / Іван) is a Slavic male given name, connected with the variant of the Greek name Iōánnēs (English: John) from Hebrew יוֹחָנָן Yôḥānnān meaning 'God is gracious'. It is associated worldwide with Slavic countries. The earliest person known to bear the name was Tsar Ivan Vladislav of Bulgaria.

It is very popular in Russia, Ukraine, Croatia, Serbia, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Slovenia, Bulgaria, Belarus, North Macedonia, and Montenegro and has also become more popular in Romance-speaking countries since the 20th century.

Now, I know that a bunch of westerners consider it a good insulting ethnonim equivalent for Russians, but I have never seen a Pole use it for Russians.

As to Glowkovalski, well I just grabbed the 2nd most popular surname in Poland and stuck Glow in front of it.

 

[Agent23]

> Reeducation to erase culture without killing anyone is genocide
> Actual mass slaughter of children is not genocide
- bacle & husky_khan

clown world

also, I called you hypocrites because you were screaming at me that I am a genocidal evil failed person back then.
Yet then immediately turn around and start advocating for actual genocide, with mass child slaughter

very selective rules enforcement too.
I say "X is not genocide"? that is breaking the rules! It advocates genocide which is against rule 1!
You call for actual mass slaughter of children based on them being "orc" children? no rule breaking there.

The Ukrainian assholes bomb civilians, ban the Russian language, try to culturally genocide the Russian segment of the Ukrainian population for close to a decade while the Russians tried to make the Minsk accords and the Normandy format work, or when the Ukrainians ban all opposition and freedom of the press and DebilZov don't care.
Somebody kills a mutt and DebilZov turns into PETA.

Frankly, the supporters of Ukraine are so brainwashed by Twitter propaganda, MSM garbage and the loud reeing of a few minor players like the Baltics and of some of the more spiteful poles that at this point I see no reason to engage with them at all.

If anything, I want to cheer on Russia all the harder and applaud the day when Zelenski is dangling from a rope around his neck.

 

[ATP]

🙄

Yes yes keep spewing that WW1 propaganda. Never mind that Serbia and Russia have a much better claim at starting WW1.

A-H feared Russia.Without german backing they would never dare to invade Serbia.So yes,without Germany there would be no WW1,even if serbs killed entire Habsburg Royal family.
And,germans lied to their allies - they promised attack Russia first,but instead go for Belgium.

And,about Schroeder - my uneducated friend,NS1 and NS2 cost 4 time more then normal pipelines.
Cheap oil? bullshit.
germans from the start used it as political gun against rest of Europe.

 

[Agent23]

A-H feared Russia.Without german backing they would never dare to invade Serbia.So yes,without Germany there would be no WW1,even if serbs killed entire Habsburg Royal family.
And,germans lied to their allies - they promised attack Russia first,but instead go for Belgium.

And,about Schroeder - my uneducated friend,NS1 and NS2 cost 4 time more then normal pipelines.
Cheap oil? bullshit.
germans from the start used it as political gun against rest of Europe.

No, there would not be a WWI without Japan.
And without the Kiaser and the other kraut idiots deviating heavily from Bismarck's policies.
And without King Eduard and a few of his hangers-on's rampant Germanophobia.
And without the Agadir Crisis.
There were dozens of reasons why that war started, FF getting offed was just the match that lit the fuse.

 

[ATP]

No, there would not be a WWI without Japan.
And without the Kiaser and the other kraut idiots deviating heavily from Bismarck's policies.
And without King Eduard and a few of his hangers-on's rampant Germanophobia.
And without the Agadir Crisis.
There were dozens of reasons why that war started, FF getting offed was just the match that lit the fuse.

Eventually,but not in 1914.Becouse A-H would never attack Serbia allied with Russia without german backing.
Pity.If we have WW1 later,we would have more superdrednaughts on both sides.
It would change notching,but sea battles would be more cool !

 

[Agent23]

Eventually,but not in 1914.Becouse A-H would never attack Serbia allied with Russia without german backing.
Pity.If we have WW1 later,we would have more superdrednaughts on both sides.
It would change notching,but sea battles would be more cool !

One important reason why the Krauts wanted to fight Russia so hard was that it:
a) Scared them how fast Russia was recovering from the Russo-Japanese war.
b) They feared it getting closer to the entente.

 

[ATP]

One important reason why the Krauts wanted to fight Russia so hard was that it:
a) Scared them how fast Russia was recovering from the Russo-Japanese war.
b) They feared it getting closer to the entente.

And it was on road to become economical superpower - and replace USA as such.That is real reason,why Wall Street send Trocky there.....

 

[Agent23]

And it was on road to become economical superpower - and replace USA as such.That is real reason,why Wall Street send Trocky there.....

I doubt it, Tsarism, less favorable climate and bad neighbours were things that the USA did not have.
Moreover, it took WWI and WWII to turn the USA into a real superpower.

 

[Bacle]

> Reeducation to erase culture without killing anyone is genocide

So you do not even have an objection to Russia kidnapping and attempting to brainwash Ukrainian kids, good to know.

> Actual mass slaughter of children is not genocide

What 'mass slaughter of children'; are the FSB breeding a clone army outside Russia I know nothing about?

Because I do not think there are many Russian kids who are pro-Putin, who are outside Russia, to even worry about. Most Russians outside Russia are adults and if they are pro-Putin, they should be considered enemy agents.

- bacle & husky_khan

clown world

Yes, and you are one of the biggest clowns on this site.

also, I called you hypocrites because you were screaming at me that I am a genocidal evil failed person back then.
Yet then immediately turn around and start advocating for actual genocide, with mass child slaughter

And again you go with 'mass child slaughter' misnomer, which is not what I said.

However, expecting you to debate in good faith is obviously worthless.

You're just another vatnik lolcow like Agent, History Learner, and Chiron.

very selective rules enforcement too.
I said "X is not genocide"? that is breaking the rules! It advocates genocide which is against rule 1!

You obviously do not understand the definition of genocide specifically covers attempted mass deportations/kidnappings meant to brainwash kids, not just direct killing.

You call for actual mass slaughter of children based on them being "orc" children? no rule breaking there.

I don't call for the 'mass slaughter of children', as you are once again lying about what I said, and calling Russians orcs is no different that the vatniks like you calling the west all 'globohomo' if they support Ukraine.

Oh, and I see you liking the post about Zelensky hanging by a noose from Agent, so don't pretend you aren't up for whatever Russia wants to do to Ukraine.

So any time you want to make a thing about my post from back then, well, I'll just link to Husky's post about you being fine with Ukrainian kids being kidnapped by Russia.

Cannot wait for people like you and Agent to end up in Nuremburg 2.0 along side the Russian commanders you want to suck off.