Russia-Ukraine War Political Discussion

[Marduk]

Russia's estimated to have lost around 30 thousand or so people in this war. You normally have to kill over a 100 thousand to get them to even feel the pinch of a war and have to kill close to half a million before they scream uncle.

Soviet Union had roughly twice the population and much healthier demographics until its last years than Russia does now. So scaling that down 30k is definitely getting into "feeling a pinch" territory as a proportion of military age men.

 

[mrttao]

So how is it going? It has been quite some time since I last heard anything about this war. has putin managed to defeat globohomo yet?

Honestly really weird to see Ukraine fighting a proxy war for globohomo. Both russians and ukranian are relatively mentally healthy people and both are suffering severe losses of populace.

China has banned Russian Airbus and Boeing aircraft from thier airspace.
So only Russian and Chinese made aircraft can enter basically

Did you mean European Airbus?
Because you said they banned russian and allowed russian. also Airbus is Euro as far as I know. And Boeing is USA.

 

[Marduk]

So how is it going? It has been quite some time since I last heard anything about this war. has putin managed to defeat globohomo yet?

Honestly really weird to see Ukraine fighting a proxy war for globohomo. Both russians and ukranian are relatively mentally healthy people and both are suffering severe losses of populace.

Get your head out of western soundbite grade political media and learn something.
Ukraine isn't fighting a proxy war for globohomo, from Ukraine's perspective they are fighting a war of independence against a country that has already taken it from them several times, like most others it was a 1/10 do not recommend experience for them, and frankly they don't care who is sending them weapons for it or why, only that they do send them, preferably in quantity and quality.
For westerners this stuff may be a sideshow to their very important internal ideological scuffles, but for other parts of the world its the other way around, and the stuff happening there, with its own histories and motivations is in the center, while Europe's and America's political slapfights are a funny sideshow for them.

Did you mean European Airbus?
Because you said they banned russian and allowed russian. also Airbus is Euro as far as I know. And Boeing is USA.

No, he means Russia nationalized planes of European manufacture and varying proper ownership.

 

[mrttao]

Get your head out of western soundbite grade political media and learn something.
Ukraine isn't fighting a proxy war for globohomo, from Ukraine's perspective they are fighting a war of independence against a country that has already taken it from them several times, like most others it was a 1/10 do not recommend experience for them, and frankly they don't care who is sending them weapons for it or why, only that they do send them, preferably in quantity and quality.
For westerners this stuff may be a sideshow to their very important internal ideological scuffles, but for other parts of the world its the other way around, and the stuff happening there, with its own histories and motivations is in the center, while Europe's and America's political slapfights are a funny sideshow for them.

1. Ukraine is fully propped up by massive glut of globohomo funds, weapons, and warmachines being funneled into it.
2. Ukraine rulers are globohomo, tried to force it into NATO despite 90% of Ukranian people being against it. And this was the trigger of the war in the first place.
3. Ukraine prime minister is touring the globohomo nations begging them for aid.

Looks like a very clear cut proxy war to me.

No, he means Russia nationalized planes of European manufacture and varying proper ownership.

Ah, so china is banning planes based on their country of manufacture rather than ownership. Got it now. I thought it was a typo

 

[Bassoe]

How is Russia paying for this war?

Oil and the knowledge that if they win, they’ll control Ukrainian farmlands. Both captive markets.

 

[Aldarion]

Get your head out of western soundbite grade political media and learn something.
Ukraine isn't fighting a proxy war for globohomo, from Ukraine's perspective they are fighting a war of independence against a country that has already taken it from them several times, like most others it was a 1/10 do not recommend experience for them, and frankly they don't care who is sending them weapons for it or why, only that they do send them, preferably in quantity and quality.
For westerners this stuff may be a sideshow to their very important internal ideological scuffles, but for other parts of the world its the other way around, and the stuff happening there, with its own histories and motivations is in the center, while Europe's and America's political slapfights are a funny sideshow for them.

1. Ukraine is fully propped up by massive glut of globohomo funds, weapons, and warmachines being funneled into it.
2. Ukraine rulers are globohomo, tried to force it into NATO despite 90% of Ukranian people being against it. And this was the trigger of the war in the first place.
3. Ukraine prime minister is touring the globohomo nations begging them for aid.

Looks like a very clear cut proxy war to me.

I do not see why it has to be either/or. Ukrainians are fighting for their country, but Ukrainian government is fighting for the globohomo tyranny and doesn't give a shit about its people.

 

[Marduk]

1. Ukraine is fully propped up by massive glut of globohomo funds, weapons, and warmachines being funneled into it.

So what?

2. Ukraine rulers are globohomo, tried to force it into NATO despite 90% of Ukranian people being against it. And this was the trigger of the war in the first place.

Where did you take these numbers from? Putin's diary?

3. Ukraine prime minister is touring the globohomo nations begging them for aid.

Go back to point 1. Who is he supposed to tour to get aid? He would be touring China if there was a real possibility he could get a lot of aid there. But we all know there isn't, so why would he waste time like that.

Looks like a very clear cut proxy war to me.

So what again? Russia has fully earned a few proxy wars by past behavior.

Ah, so china is banning planes based on their country of manufacture rather than ownership. Got it now. I thought it was a typo

Not their country of manufacture. These are planes Russia nationalized, aka stolen, so the manufacturer dropped technical support and certification for them, not to mention spare part supplies to Russia. China doesn't want to deal with the formal bullshit and chances of randomly crashing planes in few months, they have enough risk of that already, being China.

I do not see why it has to be either/or. Ukrainians are fighting for their country, but Ukrainian government is fighting for the globohomo tyranny and doesn't give a shit about its people.

Or just their careers. Come on, if Russia gets to run the place, they have a long list of their own cronies eager to hold the cushy government jobs, and they have ways to make sure "the right people" get them. The current people are not on the list. They are on different lists though.

 

[Aldarion]

Or just their careers. Come on, if Russia gets to run the place, they have a long list of their own cronies eager to hold the cushy government jobs, and they have ways to make sure "the right people" get them. The current people are not on the list. They are on different lists though.

But who installed it? Fact is that this whole thing serves interests of the globalists best by far. I mean, think about the outcome, no matter who wins:
1) Russia will be weakened, with increased debt.
2) Ukraine will be in massive debt.
3) A lot of people will have died.

And who will use this? Globalists. They will use Ukrainian debt to buy its food fields and industry, they may use the war to destabilize Putin, and I'm quite certain there are some other things I'm missing here.

 

[Marduk]

But who installed it? Fact is that this whole thing serves interests of the globalists best by far.

And there goes the theory that Putin is some kind of mastermind at war with the globalists.
Perhaps he's one of them instead?

I mean, think about the outcome, no matter who wins:
1) Russia will be weakened, with increased debt.
2) Ukraine will be in massive debt.
3) A lot of people will have died.

And who will use this? Globalists. They will use Ukrainian debt to buy its food fields and industry, they may use the war to destabilize Putin, and I'm quite certain there are some other things I'm missing here.

Ukraine was already in huge debt since a very long time, which is related to having a joke economy, which is something that the Russia crony governments that Ukraine had over a long time and some silly people fawn over did absolutely nothing about, which created very plausible grassroots pressure to try some other kind of government.

 

[Aldarion]

And there goes the theory that Putin is some kind of mastermind at war with the globalists.
Perhaps he's one of them instead?

Most likely he is, or else he simply doesn't care beyond ensuring his own rule.

Ukraine was already in huge debt since a very long time, which is related to having a joke economy, which is something that the Russia crony governments that Ukraine had over a long time and some silly people fawn over did absolutely nothing about, which created very plausible grassroots pressure to try some other kind of government.

Not really.

Debts an budget deficits in Ukraine

Public debt and budget deficit over the last 22 years in Ukraine incl. comparison with EU average

www.worlddata.info

It only started increasing significantly after 2007.

 

[ATP]

What are his sources?

He is journalist,of course he would not sell his informants.
Besides - Biden twice tried sell Ukraine to Putin so far,and we are saved only by kgbstan stupidity from Bucha fate.

 

[Marduk]

Not really.

Debts an budget deficits in Ukraine

Public debt and budget deficit over the last 22 years in Ukraine incl. comparison with EU average

www.worlddata.info

It only started increasing significantly after 2007.

Being at war with your former lord does that.
If you scale it to economy size globally, inflation and so on, its quite a different picture.

Factbox: Ukraine's history with IMF bailouts

Ukraine appealed for urgent international aid this week after the fall of Russian-backed president Viktor Yanukovich cast doubt on whether it could get the remaining $12 billion from a bailout deal he struck with Moscow.

www.reuters.com

The IMF loaned newly independent Ukraine about $3.5 billion in the mid-1990s, several years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, and another $2.2 billion in 1998, an amount it later increased.

Another one-year $600 million loan followed in 2004, and a two-year $16.4 billion loan was provided in 2008.

The IMF last agreed to loan Ukraine $15 billion in 2010, but froze the deal in 2011 after Kiev failed to implement the required reforms, including removing gas price subsidies.

After reviewing why the last bailout went off track, the IMF’s board in December said Kiev should get less money in any future bailout, and should be required to implement more economic reforms before it gets any IMF money.

Yes, globohomo IMF was giving big loans to Russian puppet run Ukraine and stopped due to lack of economic reforms.

 

[Bacle]

Some nice trolling against Russia.

 

[Lord Sovereign]

Or just their careers. Come on, if Russia gets to run the place, they have a long list of their own cronies eager to hold the cushy government jobs, and they have ways to make sure "the right people" get them. The current people are not on the list. They are on different lists though.

Or, bear with me, for all their faults the Ukrainian government likes Ukraine and doesn't want to see it be conquered by Russia. Zelensky is many things, a lot of them dirty, but a corrupt coward doesn't turn down a flight out from Biden and instead chooses to stay in his country's capital, come what may.

In my view this war is Ukraine's "Battle of Britain" moment and Zelensky is an unlikely Churchill.

 

[mrttao]

for all their faults the Ukrainian government likes Ukraine

No, all the globohomo governments hate their people and do their best to harm them.
The Ukranian people are already occupied. Why should they fight and die to protect their current abusive occupier from another occupier?

In my view this war is Ukraine's "Battle of Britain" moment and Zelensky is an unlikely Churchill.

There is more to history than WW2 you know.

 

[Marduk]

Putin continues to let the mask slide completely. This time, with his own words.

Putin is 'very sick with cancer' and has 'TWO years to live' say Ukraine spies

VLADIMIR Putin has just two years to live as he suffers from “grave illnesses”, according to Ukrainian intelligence insiders. Major General Kyrylo O. Budanov claimed that the Russian pr…

www.thesun.co.uk

Not a word of the old bullshit about being very threatened by hypothetical NATO nukes in Ukraine. Just plain ol' imperialism, complete with making a comparison to a tsar's imperialism.


Trouble in the eastern paradise?

Or, bear with me, for all their faults the Ukrainian government likes Ukraine and doesn't want to see it be conquered by Russia. Zelensky is many things, a lot of them dirty, but a corrupt coward doesn't turn down a flight out from Biden and instead chooses to stay in his country's capital, come what may.

In my view this war is Ukraine's "Battle of Britain" moment and Zelensky is an unlikely Churchill.

Could be patriotism, could be recklessness, could be calm competence, as the decision was vindicated in hindsight.

No, all the globohomo governments hate their people and do their best to harm them.
The Ukranian people are already occupied. Why should they fight and die to protect their current abusive occupier from another occupier?

Would you rather be occupied by the British Empire or the Ottoman Empire?

 

[Lord Sovereign]

No, all the globohomo governments hate their people and do their best to harm them.
The Ukranian people are already occupied. Why should they fight and die to protect their current abusive occupier from another occupier?

If you actually believe that I think you need to get some help. For people obsessed with "globohomo" you lot don't seem to understand that it doesn't work like that. That aside, "globohomo" is a ridiculously uniform term for a very complicated system. I have a feeling the United Nation's doesn't want to occupy Ukraine.

There is more to history than WW2 you know.

Yes.

How does that affect the comparison?

 

[Cherico]

Putin continues to let the mask slide completely. This time, with his own words.

Putin is 'very sick with cancer' and has 'TWO years to live' say Ukraine spies

VLADIMIR Putin has just two years to live as he suffers from “grave illnesses”, according to Ukrainian intelligence insiders. Major General Kyrylo O. Budanov claimed that the Russian pr…

www.thesun.co.uk

Not a word of the old bullshit about being very threatened by hypothetical NATO nukes in Ukraine. Just plain ol' imperialism, complete with making a comparison to a tsar's imperialism.


Trouble in the eastern paradise?


Could be patriotism, could be recklessness, could be calm competence, as the decision was vindicated in hindsight.

Would you rather be occupied by the British Empire or the Ottoman Empire?

Life is often about chosing the least worst option.

 

[King Arts]

Would you rather be occupied by the British Empire or the Ottoman Empire?

Ironically if you are white the British Empire is the better option. While if you are anything else, the Ottomans would be the better choice.

 

[Marduk]

Ironically if you are white the British Empire is the better option. While if you are anything else, the Ottomans would be the better choice.

If you are anything else that's not Muslim, probably British Empire still.