SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

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It looks like the Supreme Court is overturning the previous rulings on abortions. I think we're going to see a massive shit storm if it happens.

I'm shocked this got released. That alone is a huge fucking deal. Like, wtf happened there, that never happens.
 

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I'm shocked this got released. That alone is a huge fucking deal. Like, wtf happened there, that never happens.

Well, my guess would be one of the other judges got assmad, but honestly, we can't know for sure. There are probably a dozen or so people who have access to those papers. The hope may be to allow the left enough time to gather their swarm of loyal fanatics to protest/assault SCOTUS to force them to change their minds before the actual decision is announced. It's pretty fucking dirty, but that's where we are right now.
 

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Well, my guess would be one of the other judges got assmad, but honestly, we can't know for sure. There are probably a dozen or so people who have access to those papers. The hope may be to allow the left enough time to gather their swarm of loyal fanatics to protest/assault SCOTUS to force them to change their minds before the actual decision is announced. It's pretty fucking dirty, but that's where we are right now.
Probably a clerk, really. I don't see any of the justices doing this.
 

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A SCOTUS draft opinion leaked? That's.....huge. I cannot recall that ever happening. Someone's head is going to end up on a pike for this, figuratively speaking. Probably.

I would have hoped that if something like this had happened, whoever received the leak wouldn't publish it, but that was probably a naive hope.


Probably a clerk, really. I don't see any of the justices doing this.

I see one of the justices doing this.
 

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Probably a clerk, really. I don't see any of the justices doing this.

A SCOTUS draft opinion leaked? That's.....huge. I cannot recall that ever happening. Someone's head is going to end up on a pike for this, figuratively speaking. Probably.

I would have hoped that if something like this had happened, whoever received the leak wouldn't publish it, but that was probably a naive hope.




I see one of the justices doing this.

It's hard to imagine a Justice doing this, but given the stakes, I wouldn't put it past. The loss of abortion rights would be a huge blow to the left. Leaking the draft would give the left time to prepare a media blitz to shame SCOTUS into backing down before it's official.

There was no way this was not going to get published. This is a big story.
 

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It looks like the Supreme Court is overturning the previous rulings on abortions. I think we're going to see a massive shit storm if it happens.
Now that the draft is out, there will be a massive shit storm if it doesn't happen as well. I mean it was probably going to happen anyway but now it's for sure.
The loss of abortion rights would be a huge blow to the left. Leaking the draft would give the left time to prepare a media blitz to shame SCOTUS into backing down before it's official.
That could be it, but it could also have been an attempt to let the shitstorm's floodwaters recede by the time of the election. So in this hypothesis, whoever thought that putting more time between this news and the election would be advantageous could have leaked it. And that's very subjective; I sure don't know. Or if they thought more advance notice would help them out-mobilize the other side; again, who knows.
 

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It's hard to imagine a Justice doing this, but given the stakes, I wouldn't put it past. The loss of abortion rights would be a huge blow to the left. Leaking the draft would give the left time to prepare a media blitz to shame SCOTUS into backing down before it's official.

There was no way this was not going to get published. This is a big story.

I'm not sure about this logic. The court was extremely likely to overturn Roe anyway, and skimming the left wing response on twitter, they clearly haven't used the time they already had to prep their arguments (using "but it's a constitutional right" in response to a decision that lays out, in great detail, that it's not a constitutional right and never has been.......galaxy brain take, that).
 

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I'm not sure about this logic. The court was extremely likely to overturn Roe anyway, and skimming the left wing response on twitter, they clearly haven't used the time they already had to prep their arguments (using "but it's a constitutional right" in response to a decision that lays out, in great detail, that it's not a constitutional right and never has been.......galaxy brain take, that).

Argument? They aren't going to present a logical debate Battlegrinder, they're going to amass a large horde of retards to throw their bodies at SCOTUS, while CNN and Company tried to intellectually defend their comrades.

Now that the draft is out, there will be a massive shit storm if it doesn't happen as well. I mean it was probably going to happen anyway but now it's for sure.

It's possible that there might be some hope that since the conservatives didn't support Trump in 2020, they'll back down now. The situation isn't the same though. The election was really dangerous in what it could mean for the legitimacy of the government. The safe bet would be to take the hit and let Biden be President.

Speaking of Biden, I'm not sure how he's going to handle this. Didn't he duck that question? He's Catholic, I can't imagine this puts him in a good position.
 

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Speaking of Biden, I'm not sure how he's going to handle this. Didn't he duck that question? He's Catholic, I can't imagine this puts him in a good position.

He's 'catholic' in the same way any die-hard leftist in the last fifty years has been. Until maybe ten years ago, it was functionally impossible to get elected to the Presidency if you weren't a Christian, Jewish, or Mormon, and hard to get anything higher than Representative. Go back twenty years, and only a handful of places would elect you to any higher office if you weren't.

That's why he's 'Catholic.' As his life and lies show, he's functionally an atheist.
 

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Speaking of Biden, I'm not sure how he's going to handle this. Didn't he duck that question? He's Catholic, I can't imagine this puts him in a good position.
He's a democrat, he doesn't think it is a difficult decision.
He's 'catholic' in the same way any die-hard leftist in the last fifty years has been. Until maybe ten years ago, it was functionally impossible to get elected to the Presidency if you weren't a Christian, Jewish, or Mormon, and hard to get anything higher than Representative. Go back twenty years, and only a handful of places would elect you to any higher office if you weren't.

That's why he's 'Catholic.' As his life and lies show, he's functionally an atheist.
No, he's 'Catholic' in the sense that I saw in Massachusetts: they go to church by rote cause that's how they were raised, but don't give a shit what it says. There were so many pro-abortion 'Catholics' there were news articles about it.

At least if he were lying about it he'd be honest to himself, but they don't tend to realize that part.
 

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He's a democrat, he doesn't think it is a difficult decision.

No, he's 'Catholic' in the sense that I saw in Massachusetts: they go to church by rote cause that's how they were raised, but don't give a shit what it says. There were so many pro-abortion 'Catholics' there were news articles about it.

At least if he were lying about it he'd be honest to himself, but they don't tend to realize that part.

Hispanic voters are mostly Catholics. Biden could risk alienating them if he supports abortion. He may still do it, but it's going to cost him. It's going to cost him either way though. If he doesn't denounce it, his own party will devour him. If he denounces it, he'll strengthen the hold that Republicans have over conservative Hispanics.
 

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Hispanic voters are mostly Catholics. Biden could risk alienating them if he supports abortion. He may still do it, but it's going to cost him. It's going to cost him either way though. If he doesn't denounce it, his own party will devour him. If he denounces it, he'll strengthen the hold that Republicans have over conservative Hispanics.
It's also going to cost the right though. Realistically, this could seriously stop the red wave. Nothing will motivate democratic voters more. And there are a fair number of people who will be concerned about this who would have voted red.
 

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While I do have very severe reservations towards abortion. I do have to ask this though and it is entirely being made in good faith here might I add. But in Justice Alito’s draft opinion towards abortion being overruled by the Supreme Court. Why are there no exceptions for either rape or incest?
 

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Hispanic voters are mostly Catholics. Biden could risk alienating them if he supports abortion. He may still do it, but it's going to cost him. It's going to cost him either way though. If he doesn't denounce it, his own party will devour him. If he denounces it, he'll strengthen the hold that Republicans have over conservative Hispanics.

He's pretty much already denounced it, every "catholic" politician has been doing this dodge where they go "well, I'm personally opposed to it but I can't impose my religious beliefs on others". Which is a transparent evasion, since the problem is that abortion is argued to be a grossly immoral act independently of religion, and if you actually believe it's immoral, then you should act on that regardless of why.

It's also going to cost the right though. Realistically, this could seriously stop the red wave. Nothing will motivate democratic voters more. And there are a fair number of people who will be concerned about this who would have voted red.

I think that's iffy. It might bunt the red wave a bit, but the number of democrats that are all in abortion is extremely small (I think bigger than the all in anti-abortion position, but not by much), the majority position (like, 70% or more of voters) favor substantial restrictions but with some access early on. Going all in abortion won't work there any more than pushing for a near total ban will.
 

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It's also going to cost the right though. Realistically, this could seriously stop the red wave. Nothing will motivate democratic voters more. And there are a fair number of people who will be concerned about this who would have voted red.

Not necessarily. Black and Hispanics tend to be more socially conservative than their fellow Democrats. They might very well not be motivated to support an enraged cadre of white liberals. I mean, even gay marriage wasn't won through Congress, it was forced through by SCOTUS.
 

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While I do have very severe reservations towards abortion. I do have to ask this though and it is entirely being made in good faith here might I add. But in Justice Alito’s draft opinion towards abortion being overruled by the Supreme Court. Why are there no exceptions for either rape or incest?

About half the states have laws for that. I expect that most of the ones that have it as blank illegal (such as the midwest) will change those laws in a few months.


Same for California. These laws have not been updated in 50 years.
 

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While I do have very severe reservations towards abortion. I do have to ask this though and it is entirely being made in good faith here might I add. But in Justice Alito’s draft opinion towards abortion being overruled by the Supreme Court. Why are there no exceptions for either rape or incest?

I think you need go back and reread the opinion. The draft opinion is "Roe was 100% wrong, there is no constitutional right to abortion and there never was, this is a matter for the states/federal government to legislate". It's not creating any sort of ban on abortion, it's only saying that abortion can be restricted by the states.

It goes on to uphold the Missouri law in question as being acceptable under the rational basis standard. I don't know what the Missouri law says about rape and incest, I assume abortion is allowed past 15 weeks in that case, that's a standard carve out to abortion laws.
 

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I think that's iffy. It might bunt the red wave a bit, but the number of democrats that are all in abortion is extremely small (I think bigger than the all in anti-abortion position, but not by much), the majority position (like, 70% or more of voters) favor substantial restrictions but with some access early on. Going all in abortion won't work there any more than pushing for a near total ban will.
You'd be surprised. I'm partial to Shapiro's view of elections here: If an election is a referendum on a person, that person will usually lose. If this is election becomes a referendum on the reversal of Roe, I'd expect a loss.

Not necessarily. Black and Hispanics tend to be more socially conservative than their fellow Democrats. They might very well not be motivated to support an enraged cadre of white liberals. I mean, even gay marriage wasn't won through Congress, it was forced through by SCOTUS.
For the record, rights are rarely won through congress.
 

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