SCOTUS Getting Shade Over Roe v Wade

[Batrix2070]

Wow, what a ride. Gentlemen, let me tell you something. If I remember correctly in the entire Eastern Bloc, the Bulgarians had the loosest definition of a living child. Namely, until the first scream. That is, even if the baby was born but didn't produce a voice. You could without any hindrance in law kill it. Even if everything else worked. He comes from such a society. As one knows, it is hardly surprising why he defends his position in this way. The other thing is that in this matter he reminds me of the behavior of our Polish beloved left. In fact, he says no because no. And no arguments will penetrate his head.

 

[Agent23]

So basically no humans at all, given how hilariously dependent we all are on symbionts living inside us?

If some of those symbyotes die out, do you die as well?
Also, does a fetus provide any actual benefit to the host organism?
I mean, it messes up the mother's hormones, makes her eat more, and a host of other negatives.

Wow, what a ride. Gentlemen, let me tell you something. If I remember correctly in the entire Eastern Bloc, the Bulgarians had the loosest definition of a living child. Namely, until the first scream. That is, even if the baby was born but didn't produce a voice. You could without any hindrance in law kill it. Even if everything else worked. He comes from such a society. As one knows, it is hardly surprising why he defends his position in this way. The other thing is that in this matter he reminds me of the behavior of our Polish beloved left. In fact, he says no because no. And no arguments will penetrate his head.

Um, what type of nonsnese have you been reading about my country? is this like when marduk decided that we all spin dogs for pleasure, and it turned out it was an old, no longer practiced ritual in this one village?

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Congragulations you rediscovered the argument for eugenics, this was an actual view,Until after the Germans, when it became unpopular., this inability to survive independently was also why eugenicists including the founder of planned parenthood proposed sterilizing the physically and mentally unfit, and those on wellfare.

Oh I get it. I'm just wondering if @Agent23 does.

 

[Batrix2070]

Um, what type of nonsnese have you been reading about my country? is this like when marduk decided that we all spin dogs for pleasure, and it turned out it was an old, no longer practiced ritual in this one village?

Honestly? I've heard of either Bulgaria or Romania doing that. Or is it next door in neighboring Yugoslavia? Never mind, my point is that one of the Balkan countries did that for a while, until it was ended after the Commune.

 

[Agent23]

Oh I get it. I'm just wondering if @Agent23 does.

You obviously don't understand the difference between metabolic independence and "can keep and hold a job".
But yeah, I am fine with abortions in cases like Down syndrome or other medically debilitating conditions are present.

 

[Agent23]

Honestly? I've heard of either Bulgaria or Romania doing that. Or is it next door in neighboring Yugoslavia? Never mind, my point is that one of the Balkan countries did that for a while, until it was ended after the Commune.

I know that the Spartans dunked their kids in wine and exposed them if they did not turn the right color.
There is a saying that if the baby doesn't cry the mother will not feed it, as in, if you have a problem/need something - ask for it.
Also maybe there was a legend that if a baby doesn't cry after it is born it will probably be weak, sickly and have bad luck in life and should be permitted to cry as much as it wants.

 

[Batrix2070]

You obviously don't understand the difference between metabolic independence and "can keep and hold a job".
But yeah, I am fine with abortions in cases like Down syndrome or other medically debilitating conditions are present.

This approach, in my opinion, is simply taking the easy way out, because it is easier to kill than to cure or look for a way to cure.
Another thing is that it opens such a Pandora's box that in the end the question of where the limit is can be answered directly that there is no limit. Because this is harmful, because that and so on. To paraphrase a certain Polish politician. There were people who wanted children to have a better life and they called themselves eugenics...

 

[Agent23]

This approach, in my opinion, is simply taking the easy way out, because it is easier to kill than to cure or look for a way to cure.
Another thing is that it opens such a Pandora's box that in the end the question of where the limit is can be answered directly that there is no limit. Because this is harmful, because that and so on. To paraphrase a certain Polish politician. There were people who wanted children to have a better life and they called themselves Nazis...

A friend of the family had a kid with one of those genetic motor function/neurological disorders I am talking about, the poor kid couldn't even move or speak, he was bound to a bed for 3 years since his birth he suffered as did that entire, extended family.
When the kid finally died it was probably a relief for him.

I am sorry if your religious sensibilities and those of a portion of this forum run counter to my disgust with that suffering and my desire to prevent it.

 

[Batrix2070]

A friend of the family had a kid with one of those genetic motor function/neurological disorders I am talking about, the poor kid couldn't even move or speak, he was bound to a bed for 3 years since his birth he suffered as did that entire, extended family.
When the kid finally died it was probably a relief for him.

I am sorry if your religious sensibilities and those of a portion of this forum run counter to my disgust with that suffering and my desire to prevent it.

And here is a small problem, a very small one. I have met many times with such people, in fact I am a disabled person myself, hence my contact with them and it is constant. And according to what I know, what I saw myself, I will say one thing, it is the most heartless thing such a person can hear from a healthy person.
This thing can really kill, and they don't want to die. No, they want to live! They want to show that they too can, they want to have a chance to live. That's why they torture themselves by undergoing rehospitalization, heavy and expensive treatments. Man, every such person overcomes obstacles that don't exist for you and in fact are worth more than you think.

That's why I want to develop medicine, to find a way to help them and not to kill them because they suffer and suffocate... What are you talking about, man? Everyone suffers, and for some it's permanent. But I doubt this kid doesn't want to live and would be grateful that for "his" sake you took away his chance to live.
I can see that you can't understand, but what you think is a help, for them is no help at all, in fact, it's a bastard. In fact, you suffered by looking at him, because you didn't want to see him subconsciously, and what you said is an excuse for yourself to feel good about yourself. Or at least that's how I see it.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Life if hope. Life is struggle and suffering. Struggle and suffering are hope.

 

[Bacle]

Life if hope. Life is struggle and suffering. Struggle and suffering are hope.

Uh, no.

That sort of philosophical loop-de-loop of reasoning, of trying to make suffering 'good' and part of 'hope', is a philosophical farce created to keep servants and slave classes from rising up against the royal, nobles, and oligarchs of nations the certain religions resided in.

Mercy killing should not be done lightly or frequently, or at all ideally.

However going to the opposite end and spouting my of how suffering is needed for hope just sounds trite and like it's trying to get people to accept things they should not accept.

 

[Agent23]

Life if hope. Life is struggle and suffering. Struggle and suffering are hope.

And hope is the last thing that popped out of Pandora's box.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Uh, no.

That sort of philosophical loop-de-loop of reasoning, of trying to make suffering 'good' and part of 'hope', is a philosophical farce created to keep servants and slave classes from rising up against the royal, nobles, and oligarchs of nations the certain religions resided in

Struggle and suffering are part of life. Everyone will deal with some of that in there life. You can still be living if you're not suffering, I never said that wasn't the case.

Mercy killing should not be done lightly or frequently, or at all ideally.

Absolutely agree with this.

However going to the opposite end and spouting my of how suffering is needed for hope just sounds trite and like it's trying to get people to accept things they should not accept.

Couple of things here.
1. Just b/c suffering is happening in your life doesn't mean you should accept that as required and make no effort to change that.
2. The struggle to overcome is often what drives an individual to do great things, or even be seen by others as a hero.

If you choose to see what I wrote as trite. That's not on me.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

And hope is the last thing that popped out of Pandora's box.

Your point?

 

[Agent23]

Your point?

It is often false.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

It is often false.

Ahhh...but how much have we improved the world for others, even if it's later generations, by ACTING with hope in mind?

 

[Blasterbot]

Clearly you don't get what dependence means in this case.
As in, the fetus's metabolism is permanently attached to and taxing another metabolism and seperation is impossible.
And good job disregarding the bits about higher brain function being permanently impaired.

your metabolism requires others to labor and exchange for you to operate. it is dependent. could you be aborted? I want you to stop a bit and think. how many skills would you need to develop to actually be truly independent. how many of the 8 billion people on this world would qualify. you are completely dependent on people you do not know or care for beyond economic exchange to care for you.

as for brain function. i know many around who have no care for politics. no care for inter personal relations. no care for math. no care for science. i am not going to say they have no brain function. but they will keep voting for democrats. i could try and break down economics. climate change. history. any number of issues. but they will tell me to fuck off. that nothing matters and just go play video games and drink. a retard is as alive as Einstein was.

 

[Zachowon]

Hope is how we overcame a lot of strife.
Hope cam keep one fighting even a lost cause.
Hope is strong

 

[King Arts]

Clearly you don't get what dependence means in this case.
As in, the fetus's metabolism is permanently attached to and taxing another metabolism and seperation is impossible.
And good job disregarding the bits about higher brain function being permanently impaired.

You seem to lack higher brain functioning since you don’t get what others are saying does that mean I can kill I mean abort you?

 

[Bacle]

Hope is how we overcame a lot of strife.
Hope cam keep one fighting even a lost cause.
Hope is strong

Fighting for a lost cause is not 'hope', it's foolishness and 'false hope' held up by bravado or desperation.

Hope is important, but spreading false hope is one of the best ways to screw people over, or screw them up, in the long run.

Keep dreams and hopes practical, pragmatic, and realistically achievable, don't blow smoke up people's ass just because it make the one doing it feel good.