Shitposter in Chief Mediates Friendlier Relations between Israel and the UAE

[Arch Dornan]

Trump announces peace deal between Israel, United Arab Emirates

President Trump on Thursday announced a historic peace agreement between Israel and the United Arab Emirates that would pave the way for full normalization of relations between the two Middle Easte…

nypost.com

Donald Trump did those meetings again and something happened. Goodie.

May it be more fruitful than North Korean meetings.

 

[Arch Dornan]

His statement.

 

[Bacle]

New development:



Either they are scared of what the treaty means, or they are up to something.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Honestly would not surprise me if Hamas asked for peace. Probably an end to the blockade in return for de facto recognition of Israel and end of the armed struggle with guarantees Israel wouldn’t intervene against them in Gaza again.

 

[LordsFire]

New development:



Either they are scared of what the treaty means, or they are up to something.

Hamas' word in any peace deal isn't worth the paper its printed on.

 

[Abhorsen]

Hamas' word in any peace deal isn't worth the paper its printed on.

No, this actually means a lot if Hamas is offering to deal with Israel. The deal might not be worth shit, but their willingness to deal says a lot.

 

[LordsFire]

No, this actually means a lot if Hamas is offering to deal with Israel. The deal might not be worth shit, but their willingness to deal says a lot.

The negotiations leading up to the Second Intifada disagree with you.

I hope you're right. I don't believe it though.

 

[Deleted member 88]

There is absolutely no appetite for a third intifada. Either in the Palestinian Territories or in the Arab world.

 

[Arch Dornan]

There is absolutely no appetite for a third intifada. Either in the Palestinian Territories or in the Arab world.

All that high energy just puttered out from all that attempts that yielded no results. Just more deaths, loss of money and prosperity.

 

[LordsFire]

There is absolutely no appetite for a third intifada. Either in the Palestinian Territories or in the Arab world.

I'll believe it when I see it.

 

[PsihoKekec]

There is absolutely no appetite for a third intifada. Either in the Palestinian Territories or in the Arab world.

It's not like the second intifada ever ended. It's just that due to Israel's super-duper-evil-apartheid wall they have a hard time reaching Israelis to murder them.

 

[The Original Sixth]

Honestly would not surprise me if Hamas asked for peace. Probably an end to the blockade in return for de facto recognition of Israel and end of the armed struggle with guarantees Israel wouldn’t intervene against them in Gaza again.

Not necessarily. They must know by now that their position is in great peril. Their biggest supporters were probably Saudi Arabia and Iran--two states getting ready to go head to head. While Iran would still be on their side, the Saudis and their allies long ago switched tracks to being informal allies. The UAE's announcement was just a formal announcement of what has already been going on for some time.

We can probably boil this down to a few possibilities:

1) Hamas has realized they can't win this fight and have thrown in the towel. If they aren't going to get support from other countries, than Israel will slowly strangle them, regardless. This is probably their last chance at making good with the Israelis.

2) Hamas is trying to capitalize on the 'good vibe' going around to lure the Israelis into lowering their guard. Allowing Hamas to regain some wealth and resources, so they can rebuild their forces and attack again at a later date.

3) Hamas has no intention of following any sort of peace deal and this is just a short-term ploy with no real thought behind it.

4) A mixture of the first three, because there's probably a really good chance that a lot of people within Hamas are somewhat divided on what to do, now that the Middle East is officially abandoning them to the fate of doom at the hands of the Israelis.

 

[PsihoKekec]

The problem for Hamas is that their whole identity revolves around resisting Israel and those who don't want to resist Israel as hard as they do. So even if this is a feint, their rank and file won't take it well.

 

[Arch Dornan]

Not necessarily. They must know by now that their position is in great peril. Their biggest supporters were probably Saudi Arabia and Iran--two states getting ready to go head to head. While Iran would still be on their side, the Saudis and their allies long ago switched tracks to being informal allies. The UAE's announcement was just a formal announcement of what has already been going on for some time.

We can probably boil this down to a few possibilities:

1) Hamas has realized they can't win this fight and have thrown in the towel. If they aren't going to get support from other countries, than Israel will slowly strangle them, regardless. This is probably their last chance at making good with the Israelis.

2) Hamas is trying to capitalize on the 'good vibe' going around to lure the Israelis into lowering their guard. Allowing Hamas to regain some wealth and resources, so they can rebuild their forces and attack again at a later date.

3) Hamas has no intention of following any sort of peace deal and this is just a short-term ploy with no real thought behind it.

4) A mixture of the first three, because there's probably a really good chance that a lot of people within Hamas are somewhat divided on what to do, now that the Middle East is officially abandoning them to the fate of doom at the hands of the Israelis.

This feels really familiar. A holy war is declared to claim the holy land but it has since puttered out and enthusiasm for it by the backers is tiring they're looking to cut them lose.

 

[gral]

This feels really familiar. A holy war is declared to claim the holy land but it has since puttered out and enthusiasm for it by the backers is tiring they're looking to cut them lose.

192 years(1099-1291) separate the Crusader Siege of Jerusalem and the fall of the last Crusader stronghold on the Levant. If the Palestinian cause ends the same way, I'll wonder how long it'll take between the First Intifada and their final defeat?

 

[The Original Sixth]

The problem for Hamas is that their whole identity revolves around resisting Israel and those who don't want to resist Israel as hard as they do. So even if this is a feint, their rank and file won't take it well.

That's an exaggeration. They do derive a great deal of their identity from combating Israel and that is a problem going forward, but it is not the entirety of their identity.

 

[Arch Dornan]

192 years(1099-1291) separate the Crusader Siege of Jerusalem and the fall of the last Crusader stronghold on the Levant. If the Palestinian cause ends the same way, I'll wonder how long it'll take between the First Intifada and their final defeat?

Could go either way. With modern solutions any cause can be extended longer but the opposite can shorten it.

 

[LTR]

Bahrain has decided to join the 'winning' side of history by making a great deal and normalizing relations with Israel.

Trump Announces Another Historic Middle East Peace Deal

A joint statement released by the United States, the Kingdom of Bahrain, and the State of Israel announced the 'establishment of full diplomatic relations.'

thefederalist.com

I wish these Middle Eastern countries would stop influencing AMERICAN elections by making peace deals and normalizing relations thanks in part to the Trump Administrations diplomatic efforts during a Presidential election season... 😟

 

[Cherico]

Wow um this is actually a big deal.


Nixion, Ford, Carter, Reagan, Both bushes, Clinton and Obama failed to do this all of them failed and Trump has some how pulled this off.

 

[prinCZess]

Huh.
To quote Joe Biden, 'This is a big fucking deal'.

That it's TRUMP doing it is...Huh. Dunnow how to respond really. The man must not be the Trumpian, New York asshole, blowhard, foot-in-mouth and insult-machine in finer negotiations that he is at literally all other times...Or the diplomatic service (and...Jared Kushner, I guess?) have really stepped up to the plate to compensate.
Whatever the case, seems like a win. The cynical part of me really wonders why Bahrain and the UAE going this route held-off until an election campaign-time...But diplomacy taking time is an old trope, so maybe I'm just being overly-suspicious...Maybe. Even if electioneering did play a role, the effect is at least positive. Plenty of other things where that's not the case.

There is absolutely no appetite for a third intifada. Either in the Palestinian Territories or in the Arab world.

Is there appetite for it in the Persian world? At this point, I think they're the larger string-pullers and financial-backers for Hamas than the Arab states. But, there again, the answer might be 'no'. Iran's kind've gone shittastic in recent years over where it was earlier and the mullahs might just be feeling more pressure to bribe the citizenry over flexing international muscle via the glorious jihad-sponsorship that got their wonder-boy blown away and their pariah-status at least partially returned when they oopsie'd a passenger-jet.