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Military Should Women Be Able To Serve In the Military?

Should Women Be Able To Serve In the Military?

  • Yes

    Votes: 19 61.3%
  • No

    Votes: 6 19.4%
  • Only In Non-Combat Roles

    Votes: 6 19.4%

  • Total voters
    31

CarlManvers2019

Writers Blocked Douchebag
women vote.

the price of voting of having a voice in society is that when some thing rises up to threaten that society then you have a duty to serve.

Not only should women be allowed to serve in the military they should also be required to be subject to the draft and selective service.

Starship Troopers’ Federation contrary to Verhoeven’s beliefs sounds like a pretty egalitarian civilization

To be able to have some control over your country’s future, you gotta be able to show yourself willing to put down your life for it at the very least
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
For those of you that do not know, the US Army has a new PT test called the ACFT where only differing score one must get is based off job. And that alone qualifies for what is what. I have to get the same as a female in my unit and vice versa.

The Army is getting away from the biased one of old
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
women vote.

the price of voting of having a voice in society is that when some thing rises up to threaten that society then you have a duty to serve.

Not only should women be allowed to serve in the military they should also be required to be subject to the draft and selective service.
Alternatively, we could have women not vote :sneaky:

For those of you that do not know, the US Army has a new PT test called the ACFT where only differing score one must get is based off job. And that alone qualifies for what is what. I have to get the same as a female in my unit and vice versa.

The Army is getting away from the biased one of old
That is certainly a big improvement over sex based PT standards.
 
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Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
Alternatively, we could have women not vote :sneaky:

That is certainly a big improvement over sex based PT standards.
The Army knows that for a Force on Force war everyone should be held to same standards, especially since the Rangers and SOF already do.

Here is what the new ACFT does/

So on the new ACFT, infantry have to be able to do a 200lb Deadlift, a 8 meter standing ball throw (not as easy as it seems btw), 30 Hand release pushups. The max is 60 and it is a lot harder then normal pushups, A sprint Drag carry that is 2:10. You sprint down and back 25 meters, pull a 90Lb sled down and back, side straddle down and back, kettle bell run down and back (25 lb each hand) and then sprint again. it is a killer on the body.
Then the two hardest ones, leg tucks and 2-mile run.Most women who took the ACFT cant do leg tucks, so they have an option to do a 2-minute plank instead.

If any of you want to try these all one right after the other and tell me it is easy to get the Infantry standard without working out, I would love to know
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
For those of you that do not know, the US Army has a new PT test called the ACFT where only differing score one must get is based off job. And that alone qualifies for what is what. I have to get the same as a female in my unit and vice versa.

The Army is getting away from the biased one of old
That makes me tired just reading about it. It seems like they decided to go with mostly new exercises instead of traditional ones. I've never done hand release pushups before (nor do I intend to) but it seems like not many women would be able to do 30 of them if they are harder than normal pushups.
 

Zachowon

The Army Life for me! The POG life for me!
Founder
That makes me tired just reading about it. It seems like they decided to go with mostly new exercises instead of traditional ones. I've never done hand release pushups before (nor do I intend to) but it seems like not many women would be able to do 30 of them if they are harder than normal pushups.
You have to do them in 2 minutes. You start on your stomach hands underneath your shoulder blades in line with them. You go up and then down, extending your arms all the way out and then back in to push yourself back up. Your hands must be at your shoulders.
 

Shipmaster Sane

You have been weighed
Why not just require ever citizen to know how to fight
I believe my first or second post in this thread suggests exactly that.

*Cough Cough israel Cough cough*
Israel puts them in the field however, which has been crippling their joints permanently in record numbers.


(Sigh), no, taking away women's ability to vote will not make feminism go away, chaps. In fact it would probably make it stronger as a significant chunk of the public would then have genuine grievance.
Most women aren't feminist, traditionalist women are also statistically far happier.


Further, restricting the vote to veterans only (the most based political system ever conceived by humans) would all but remove the vote from women, because the vast, vast, vast majority would give up their vote, and happily so.
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
(Sigh), no, taking away women's ability to vote will not make feminism go away, chaps. In fact it would probably make it stronger as a significant chunk of the public would then have genuine grievance.
You think so? Since women have received the vote, has feminism increased in popularity or decreased? Since women have gained the vote, has feminism become more or less extreme?

The fewer "grievances" that women have, the more angry and resentful we seem to become. Now we have a society that bends over backwards to appease women, that caters to our whims, that discriminates in our favor in countless ways - and yet women are less happy and feminism is both extreme and popular.

and alternativly we could have "Peasants" not vote guess a revolution is not necessary.
Hmmm, maybe so. I guess it depends on who the "peasants" are. Is there a right to vote? I don't think that there is.
 
You think so? Since women have received the vote, has feminism increased in popularity or decreased? Since women have gained the vote, has feminism become more or less extreme?

well one it depends on how you define feminism which is important, it's more or less come in waves. A lot of the current wave femenism only really came back in full force with modern education and the normalization of social media. getting rid of people's abilities to say who they like isn't magically going to fix that it's just going to mute it.

The fewer "grievances" that women have, the more angry and resentful we seem to become. Now we have a society that bends over backwards to appease women, that caters to our whims, that discriminates in our favor in countless ways - and yet women are less happy and feminism is both extreme and popular.


That's kind of humanity for you. People will find ways to moan whether real or perceived gripes. Blame the politcions who abuse the system to cater to these people, not the system for just existing.

Hmmm, maybe so. I guess it depends on who the "peasants" are. Is there a right to vote? I don't think that there is.

*SARCASM AHEAD* then silance your tounge and bow down to the will of the silicon gods. hate to burst everyone's bubble but trump of all people is causing more disruption than anyone. Anifa and BLM those guys were all part of the plan.
 

ShieldWife

Marchioness
well one it depends on how you define feminism which is important, it's more or less come in waves. A lot of the current wave femenism only really came back in full force with modern education and the normalization of social media. getting rid of people's abilities to say who they like isn't magically going to fix that it's just going to mute it.

Well, the definition of feminism has gotten more extreme as the old goals of feminism are achieved. Most people are feminists now by standards of the past, so now self identified feminists have to be more radical. The modern education system goes back to the 1900's, so its pretty old actually. Who said anything about getting rid of people's abilities to say who they like?

That's kind of humanity for you. People will find ways to moan whether real or perceived gripes. Blame the politcions who abuse the system to cater to these people, not the system for just existing.
Yes, it is human nature in a sense, the more you spoil a child (or adult for that matter) the more whiney and entitled they become. The more unhappy they become too generally, as we see with all of the left's identity politics.

*SARCASM AHEAD* then silance your tounge and bow down to the will of the silicon gods. hate to burst everyone's bubble but trump of all people is causing more disruption than anyone. Anifa and BLM those guys were all part of the plan.
Our system of every adult getting a vote has already created an aristocracy and has, in essence, eliminated to voice of the people by drowning out the vote of informed and civically minded citizens with those who are neither. How important is the will of the people compared to the will of those tech, media, and finance billionaires? Not very important, with a few outliers like Trump's election win.

Like I said, it depends on who the "peasants" are defined to be, but I have no issue with some people voting and others not.
 
Well, the definition of feminism has gotten more extreme as the old goals of feminism are achieved. Most people are feminists now by standards of the past, so now self identified feminists have to be more radical. The modern education system goes back to the 1900's, so its pretty old actually. Who said anything about getting rid of people's abilities to say who they like?

because both the ability to vote and the ability to fight are the ultimate forms of expression to not have these things is to not be a person, but to be meat for the grinder unless of course your part of the goodbloods (and no i'm not talking about the jews)

those who can't or won't should not speak. I'm at the most vocal i've ever been about politics in my life, guess what this is also the first election in my life where I'm going to vote.

Yes, it is human nature in a sense, the more you spoil a child (or adult for that matter) the more whiny and entitled they become. The more unhappy they become too generally, as we see with all of the left's identity politics.

they whine even when you don't spoil them too. a person can be content, the only time man doesn't complain is when it's six feet in the ground.

Like I said, it depends on who the "peasants" are defined to be, but I have no issue with some people voting and others not.

I can tell you who's going to be considered the peasants. Anyone who is not the ruling class. Maybe soldiers will be given an exception for the sake of posterity.
 

Lord Sovereign

The resident Britbong
You think so? Since women have received the vote, has feminism increased in popularity or decreased? Since women have gained the vote, has feminism become more or less extreme?

The fewer "grievances" that women have, the more angry and resentful we seem to become. Now we have a society that bends over backwards to appease women, that caters to our whims, that discriminates in our favor in countless ways - and yet women are less happy and feminism is both extreme and popular.

Right then, I suppose we should strip the vote from the entire working class because they have historically voted for left wing/socialist parties? Do you see how daft that sounds all of a sudden? Reactionary politics are just as blanket retarded as revolutionary politics, and what feeds both is a broken education system and/or economy. If you want feminism gone, get them out of the schools so they can't poison the mind of another generation. Removing the franchise would just throw fuel on their fire.

Also, I find it somewhat disturbing that people are ultimately shrieking "they don't vote the way I like, so they shouldn't have the vote." Horseshoe theory in action I suppose.
 
Right then, I suppose we should strip the vote from the entire working class because they have historically voted for left wing/socialist parties? Do you see how daft that sounds all of a sudden? Reactionary politics are just as blanket retarded as revolutionary politics, and what feeds both is a broken education system and/or economy. If you want feminism gone, get them out of the schools so they can't poison the mind of another generation. Removing the franchise would just throw fuel on their fire.

Also, I find it somewhat disturbing that people are ultimately shrieking "they don't vote the way I like, so they shouldn't have the vote." Horseshoe theory in action I suppose.


Stability is an illusion. prior to 2016 the country was stable in the eyes of the elites, the people were screaming about communist revolutions, racial tensions were rising, and everyone was eating out of the palm of the democrats hands, then bam trump came along and the people made their voice be heard. now suddenly things are "Falling apart and going to heck. Cause muh orange man bad."

Funny how people actually feel like they have agency when they actually get off their butts and work for it.
 
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ShadowArxxy

Well-known member
Comrade
Starship Troopers’ Federation contrary to Verhoeven’s beliefs sounds like a pretty egalitarian civilization

Keep in mind that the Federation's "Federal Service" concept did not specifically require military service (although the protagonists of the book all took that option, it was explicitly stated that military service was a minority of Federal Service), and that it also hinged on having an absolute right to participate in Federal Service.
 

Husky_Khan

The Dog Whistler... I mean Whisperer.
Founder
I can tell you who's going to be considered the peasants. Anyone who is not the ruling class. Maybe soldiers will be given an exception for the sake of posterity.

The adoption of a Statocratic system does seem incongruent with any of the principles of Western Democracy that America was founded upon. There's probably a reason that there's a strong correlation throughout history of militarism based systems of government leading to various forms of authoritarianism and despotism. Joining the military, including now, requires a significant amount of indoctrination upon a group of people who in a volunteer service are probably a distinct subset of society already. And not just patriots are the ones who enlist either.

This indoctrination can now be put in the hands of military officers, of whom the most successful ones tend to be egoists (if you look throughout history, many famous military commanders with notable exceptions tend to be rather egotistical from Alexander and Julius Caesar right down through Frederick and Napoleon down to MacArthur and DeGaulle. And both political and military leadership tend to focus on egotistical leaders and one step from egoism is megalomania.

And once you get a megalomaniac in charge of the military (whether it happens in a year or a decade or a generation it'll eventually happen) and therefore the government, without any other checks and balances beyond your military government to check the power of aforementioned military government then your Statocratic system is probably fucked and you've basically slid into some sort of authoritarian oligarchy or other form of dictatorship. OR.... if the foundational values are somewhat strong, maybe some sort of Civil War which... isn't much of an improvement beyond say... hotly contested elections IMHO.

As a microcosm example we can look to the School of Americas. Ever since it's founding in the 1960's and despite a curriculum that apparently emphasized military doctrine and counterinsurgency warfare in conjunction respect to civil authority and human rights and civil affairs and emphasizing Western civic values, there's been a habit of graduates of the School of Americas having this peculiar habit of going back to their home countries and brutally suppressing and overthrowing local regimes because one of the things they drew from their American military education is that they might as well overthrow the old system because now they know better then everyone else in spite of getting the adjunct education in human rights and civil affairs.

Sadly all of the eggs they broke often didn't result in the creation of delicious omelets.

Plus with all of the talk in the past half century about the military industrial complex, of the Deep State, centralization of Federal Law Enforcement and Authority, and regime change wars having come to prominence, it seems very odd that while Americans have a very strong reverence for the military, that people, especially now, would be advocating for some sort of military/veterans only can vote (and thus for all practical purposes) and hold government offices. Especially as a tactic meant to remove a Womans right to vote in order to apparently prevent "feminism" from entering the national discourse.

There are other issues as well, such as military service excluding people with various impairments ranging from things as mild as seeing a Psychologist as a child or having Asthma, conscientious objectors, and the fact that unlike say back in the era of Landed Infantry there's probably not much of a need for a ten million person sized force or even national militia system and hasn't been for anywhere from thirty to seventy years (Cold War or World War Two beyond that that) makes the idea seem incredibly myopic.
 

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