Sino-Indian War of 2020! (or the Brawl in the Nathu La!)

[Husky_Khan]

China arrested six individuals for "defaming" several of the Chinese soldiers killed in border conflicts with India last June. They are apparently attempting to pursue other individuals who live overseas.

However, news of arrests came as early as the following day, with police in Nanjing, in the coastal Jiangsu province, announcing the detention of 38-year-old blogger Qiu Ziming for “defaming the heroic officer and soldiers who guarded China’s border.”
Qiu, an investigative journalist, had 2.5 million followers on his verified Weibo account—a site similar to Twitter—and was considered a person of influence, said Shanghai-based news site The Paper.

In a post on his “Labi Xiaoqiu” Weibo account, Qiu called into question Beijing’s account of the death toll, saying: “All four soldiers who died were trying to rescue [the officer]. If the rescuers themselves died, then there must have been more who couldn’t be saved.”

“This shows that there must be more than four people dead,” he wrote.

Weibo said it had suspended Qiu’s account for one year after the incident and would remove his affiliated account—”Qiuyexing”—for the same period.

Announcing the arrests, Chinese authorities said Qiu and the five others were charged with “picking quarrels and provoking trouble,” a vaguely defined crime commonly used for public order offenses. It is also deployed to charge dissidents, lawyers and journalists.

Picking Quarrels and Provoking Trouble is apparently a law in China.

China Arrests Six for Disputing Regime’s Account of India Border Clash

Chinese authorities have arrested six people and are pursuing a person who lives overseas following online comments that cast doubt on Beijing’s official account of a deadly border clash with India. Six men between the ages of 20 and 40 were detained or turned themselves in over the weekend...

thelibertybuzz.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

China is so desperate for troops that can operate in the Sino-Indian border that they're trying to recruit Tibetans into their military.

China carrying out drives to recruit Tibetans amid border standoff with India

The special recruitment drives for Tibetans also come in the wake of informal efforts by the Chinese side last year to forge a special relationship with the Nepali Army on the lines of its relationship with the Indian Army.

www.hindustantimes.com

According to China’s official statistics from 2010, there were 2.1 million Han servicemen, compared to 4,300 Tibetans. More recent figures aren’t readily available.

It's important to note that the Special Frontier Force, a six battalion sized Special Operations force, was originally comprised of large number of Tibetan exiles and emigres from Tibet itself and formed by India in response to the Sino-Indian War of 1962. While the unit is far more ethnically mixed now, a high proportion of its members are of Tibetan descent. It was apparently SFF units that made up a large portion of the Indian forces used to capture the Chinese military camp last August as well as seizing several dozen other hill tops in the region.

So China is apparently jelly.

 

[Captain X]

I'm sure that's going to go over well.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Brief but long overdue update!

Wars Over for now!

Indian soldiers in formation in the Ladakh region. Photo: Reuters
Indian and Chinese soldiers have pulled back from another area along their disputed border as part of moves to lower tensions amid a 15-month stand-off that has sometimes led to deadly clashes, India’s army said on Friday.

An Indian army statement said the disengagement process was carried out over the past two days in eastern Ladakh’s Gogra area and the troops were now in their respective permanent bases.

“All temporary structures and other allied infrastructure created in the area by both sides have been dismantled and mutually verified. The landform in the area has been restored by both sides to pre-stand off period,” the statement said.

China-India border dispute: soldiers pulled back from Gogra in eastern Ladakh

Both countries have stationed tens of thousands of soldiers backed by artillery, tanks and fighter jets along the de facto border called the Line of Actual Control.

www.scmp.com

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Its the un-unstoppable Force VS the Unconscious Object.

I liken this potential conflict as mass on mass. That terrain precludes any coherent vehicle use. Even helicopter gunship squadrons will be at high risk. Really easy to hide manpads in those sharp ridges.

China would have to keep pushing people into the terrain features. Maybe if they have enough party they can lay in covering fires to advance. But then they'll have Indian forces advancing, probably at night, to contact.

India wins as long as they can reasonably contest the terrain. If China can get forces into India past the mountains...huge difference.

 

[The Whispering Monk]

Though...potentially righteous but totally risky tacticfor India. Fight fiercely but be forced back. China gets ground for an assembly area and marshals forces through the mountains.

Then the 3 - 6 Battalion of mountain troops cut the supply line. Maybe time the counter attack on the Chinese Assembly Area to take advantage of the ensuing confusion.

Hell, maybe you can attack up the Tibetan plateau.

 

[PsihoKekec]

There is a reason why both sides are content with border skirmishes, mountains are a terrible place for a large scale conflict, unless opposing force is led by an utter idiot (Conrad von Hotzendorf, Enver Pasha, Luigi Cadorna) pushing through is just not worth it and both sides know it.

 

[paulobrito]

And to be sure, nor India nor China really want that to escalate. These small (very small) scale skirmishes can be used by both sides to justify military spending, forces in the area, escape for tensions between both nations, propaganda, etc, etc.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Large scale bilateral joint military exercise to take place in Northern India. The 18th "Yudh Abhyas" Exercise which has been going on since 2004 with the one last year taking place in Alaska. Along with fostering and enhancing cooperation between the two militaries, they apparently drill and train towards conducting peacekeeping operations, disaster relief response, and civil affairs operations.

India, US To Carry Out Mega Military Exercise In October

India and the US will hold an over two-week-long mega military exercise in Uttarakhand's Auli in October amid the fast-evolving regional security scenario.

www.ndtv.com

India, U.S militaries to conduct 'Yudh Abhyas' near LAC amid standoff with China

India and the US will hold an over two-week-long mega military exercise in Uttarakhand's Auli in October amid the fast-evolving regional security scenario. The 18th edition of exercise "Yudh Abhyas" is scheduled to take place from October 14 to 31, sources in the defence and military...

www.hindustantimes.com

The reportedly large scale exercises (which started out as a platoon level event back in 2004) will take place between October 14th through 31st.

 

[WolfBear]

There is a reason why both sides are content with border skirmishes, mountains are a terrible place for a large scale conflict, unless opposing force is led by an utter idiot (Conrad von Hotzendorf, Enver Pasha, Luigi Cadorna) pushing through is just not worth it and both sides know it.

To be fair, though, China could aim for a limited excursion and just capture Tawang and perhaps some or all of the rest of Arunachal Pradesh, no?

The Chinese just need to cross down from the mountains and then they'll get into much less elevated areas:

 

[WolfBear]

Here's an overall map of all of the border disputes in this region:

 

[PsihoKekec]

The Chinese just need to cross down from the mountains

The problem with crossing down the mountains is that you need to cross down the mountains. Mountains are not just some imaginary map feature, they are real and moving stuff up and down the mountains sucks ass, there is a reason why they are considered defensive factor multiplayer.

 

[PeaceMaker 03]

A link to articles about India, China, and Pakistan on the strategy page web page

India - StrategyPage.com

The Strategypage is a comprehensive summary of military news and affairs, including battlefield reports, arms sales, weapon tests, space programs, espionage, terrorism, etc. We cover the inside data on how and why things happen.

www.strategypage.com

 

[Husky_Khan]

Seriously though, someone needs to find a video of this fight... and then put this music over the top of it

Well there's video... but apparently it's of an incident that happened on December 9th of this year.



Back to normal Sino-Indian Border Operations Apparently.

This happened in the Arunachal Pradesh region.

 

[Husky_Khan]

Previous video might've occurred earlier.



Good thread discussing a bit of the current situation anyhow.

 

[Cherico]

this isnt a war, actual war between India and China would involve India taking their navy and keeping any oil from going to china, and China doing a full court press down the mountains with the whole thing being a waiting game to see how long it takes before china runs out of oil and their industry dies.

 

[Buba]

Never invade India in Winter while starting a Land War in Asia - it is known.

 

[ParadiseLost]

A Sino-Indian war isn't happening, this is just posturing.

China is too competent to waste resources on that.

 

[LordsFire]

A Sino-Indian war isn't happening, this is just posturing.

China is too competent to waste resources on that.

I'm sorry, but you just used 'competent' to describe communists.

While the nature of any large group of people means that you do get some competent members of basically every group, communism specifically self-selects for delusional apparatchiks rather than people any good at what they're doing.

China starting a war with India, either deliberately or through incompetence, is entirely possible. I wouldn't currently rate it as likely, but as their economic bubble continues to implode, they'll get more and more desperate and stupid.

 

[Husky_Khan]

United States allegedly supported Indian in their border skirmishes against China with rock music concert and reconnaissance support.