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Captain X said:
I have to admit, I'm rather surprised to see so many PT defenders. I don't really find them to be any better than the ST, personally, which is part of why them bashing on it is kind of hilarious in a way for me.
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As a friend of mine who likes the prequels used for this exact point (with some degree of convincing me, at least)--the prequels gave the world, and especially the internet, a rich field of silliness to joke with and share. They are the film equivalent of groaner dad-jokes at a BBQ that people heard from George Lucas--who was standing around drinking beer in his Star Wars-themed 'Kiss the Chef' apron telling everybody how he'd cooked these burgers that were really good a week before.
The sequel trilogy has yet to, and increasingly seems unlikely to, develop that same sense of charming horribleness and camaraderie among fans--even those who like it as some (in a way) like the prequels--because it doesn't have the acknowledged 'groaner dad-joke' feeling to its writing or story but is instead an inconsistent sequence of different cooks coming to the grill trying to make different things with the corporate-sponsored ingredients they're limited to and breaking things in the process.
 
I just like the games and novels, really. Even the really weird stuff like Planet of Twilight or Crystal Star has more character and verve than the soulless corporate hackjobs we get now.
 
I honestly dont like a lof of Legends. It was way to absurd and out there, and this is coming from a Karen Traviss mando fan.

I also like being able to be apart of the growing fandom instead of getting into it late.
 
Disney SW has been to me at best average. I actually am relatively generous to Solo and that’s the Disney SW movie I like the most.

I’ve sort of come to the realization though I like the old EU-it’s characters, settings, themes, etc... far more than the movies.

Though ROTS remains my favorite SW movie.
 
Zachowon said:
I also like being able to be apart of the growing fandom instead of getting into it late.
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You first point was fair enough, but this IMO is a really bad reason to like/dislike something. Wouldn't you rather like things that are good, regardless of how old they are?

And I find it hard to believe that the DisneyWars fandom is growing. I think any of the positive numbers you see are being massaged by Disney directly, or else being astroturfed by kids who haven't been around long enough to develop critical faculties yet.
 
Journalists are idiots and you should neither respect them nor take them seriously, Part 1 of a countably infinite series:

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Certified_Heterosexual said:
You first point was fair enough, but this IMO is a really bad reason to like/dislike something. Wouldn't you rather like things that are good, regardless of how old they are?

And I find it hard to believe that the DisneyWars fandom is growing. I think any of the positive numbers you see are being massaged by Disney directly, or else being astroturfed by kids who haven't been around long enough to develop critical faculties yet.
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Or, they just have positive outlooks on how the Canon is going and enjoy it.

Also what I mean though is, I am 21 years old. I remember reading some of the old Legends books (I love the Karen traviss novels, sue me) as well as having invested time with a friend to build out own future world of one, and discuss star wars. I barley knew anything and only because I read Wikis and not the full books did I get as much knowledge as I have on the subject.

Now I am able to go to the movies, get the games, watch the series when they premier. I get to read comics and buy them monthly. It is an experience I have never had the chance because of the age of Legends, and how by the mid to late 2000s, and the 2010s, there really was not much to Star Wars coming out. Sure you had 1313, but what else was really going on? What else was in the works?

Without Disney we wouldnt have gotten the Mandalorian, the final season of the Clone Wars (Which is something I have very fond memories of as I used to watch them in ASP back in elementary school on the computer), an Obi wan series, etc. etc.

I get it, not everyone likes Disney canon, but you cant claim only those like what you said love it. There is a Silent majority.

Though I liked Rise of Skywalker it is the worse thing in Disney besides Aftermath books.

I get you loved Legends, but in a generation of people who are always online, and always need something new, a series like Star wars would not have made it without backing from a larger company; and no dont tell me Lucas would have done better. He is known to be a horrible director and changes things years later because he wants in on that meme, see han shot first.
 
Say what do you fine people think how effective a ship using the design principles of a Battlestar would be in Star Wars
 
Knowledgeispower said:
Say what do you fine people think how effective a ship using the design principles of a Battlestar would be in Star Wars
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If you mean general function as a battleship-carrier hybrid Star Wars has been using them for ages.

They’re called Star Destroyers.

Now if you mean something more specific, like retractable hangers, use of projectile guns or son on then it depends a little.

(Sorry I’m only really familiar with the remake and passingly familiar with the original series).
 
DarthOne said:
If you mean general function as a battleship-carrier hybrid Star Wars has been using them for ages.

They’re called Star Destroyers.

Now if you mean something more specific, like retractable hangers, use of projectile guns or son on then it depends a little.

(Sorry I’m only really familiar with the remake and passingly familiar with the original series).
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I meant the general hull form(you can ditch the retractable part of the flight pods though as only the Jupiter class had those due to less advanced jump drives when they were built) and weapons fit(replaced with their star wars equivalents) since the Battlestar design seems like it would be a very practical design in Star Wars to me
 
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Knowledgeispower said:
I meant the general hull form(you can ditch the retractable part of the flight pods though as only the Jupiter class had those due to less advanced jump drives when they were built) and weapons fit(replaced with their star wars equivalents) since the Battlestar design seems like it would be a very practical design in Star Wars to me
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Oh, well that clears things up quite a bit.

Captain X said:
Isn't that basically what the Dreadnoughts were?
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Yes and no.

They might have been in the same general shape, but for there the resemblance more or less ends. Dreadnoughts were only rated as heavy cruisers, where Battlestars where more like the Star Destroyer equivalent of the Colonial Fleet. So they probably got vastly different mission types and usage in the line of battle.

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Also, the Dreadnoughts had very little in the way of fighter or bomber capability. Wookiepeida says that Imperial Refits could only carry 12 TIE fighters and a shuttle or two, with the Pre-Empire versions carrying an unspecified (through probably similar) compliment of Howlrunner fighters and shuttles.
 
Captain X said:
I have to admit, I'm rather surprised to see so many PT defenders. I don't really find them to be any better than the ST, personally, which is part of why them bashing on it is kind of hilarious in a way for me.
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I think a lot of prequel love comes from EU elements. A lot of life was breathed into the broader universe as it was expanded, even if the movies were mixed at best.
 
On the subject of different ship classes, has Star Wars ever had a true battlecruiser? And I don't mean ships like the Resurgent class, which is essentially a ridiculous battleship with the word "battlecruiser" thrown on the end to make them sound cooler, but more in the traditional Royal Navy (not Imperial Germany though. Those were different beasts) sense: a vessel than can outrun anything with bigger guns than it, and lay waste to anything with smaller guns than it.

An apex predator essentially, meant to prowl the open star ways or act as the flying wing of a battlefleet.
 
Lord Sovereign said:
On the subject of different ship classes, has Star Wars ever had a true battlecruiser? And I don't mean ships like the Resurgent class, which is essentially a ridiculous battleship with the word "battlecruiser" thrown on the end to make them sound cooler, but more in the traditional Royal Navy (not Imperial Germany though. Those were different beasts) sense: a vessel than can outrun anything with bigger guns than it, and lay waste to anything with smaller guns than it.

An apex predator essentially, meant to prowl the open star ways or act as the flying wing of a battlefleet.
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Pretty sure the Providence-class 'destroyers' count. Or at least they did in the old Clone Wars multimedia project
 
I just feel bad for the whole cast and crew involved...they had a whole roster of talented actors and technicians, and I was even excited for the newcomers like John Boyega and Daisy Ridley, but the whole mess has likely left them all with a bitter taste in their mouths. It's even sadder when you could see how excited they all were when TFA was first announced. 🙁
 
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