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Dude, she was coming to kill him. Like she left in the middle of the night and didn’t even bother to inform Luke what she was going to do.
Jacen was well within his rights to end her life.
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Jacen was well within his rights to end her life.
Bigking321
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Ok...
I still don't like him.
I didn't really care for the later books.
I still don't like him.
I didn't really care for the later books.
I tend to love her but that is for mandos. So..
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#AilynVelshouldhavetalked.
So... reading Dark Empire again... I can't help but wonder... is the only thing preventing Palpatine from coming back a third time the fact that we assume that Exegol is the only place he has an evil Cloning Lab? 
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He couldn’t come back a third time because Empatajayos Brand and a bunch of other Jedi locked him down in Chaos.
Skallagrim
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So... reading Dark Empire again... I can't help but wonder... is the only thing preventing Palpatine from coming back a third time the fact that we assume that Exegol is the only place he has an evil Cloning Lab?
No, @Husky_Khan means in the new continuity, as opposed to the original continuity's Dark Empire. There, Palpatine explicitly gets removed forever. In TRoS... we just kind of have to hope for the best, I guess.
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As if the ST actually considered this very important narrative problem. When what it ripped off(DE) took pains to deal with it.
DE gets a lot of criticism, and is routinely bashed to condemn the EU as a whole.
But it actually does have a mechanism to ensure Palpatine never returns.
A mechanism which sticks. Never once IU is palpatine brought back after DE-the characters don’t ever to the best of my knowledge consider the idea possible(though some trash the clones as not really Palpatine), and OOU-they easily could have made Palpatine a resurrecting comic villain, but they never did.
It remains to be seen if the ST will hold the same measure.
DE gets a lot of criticism, and is routinely bashed to condemn the EU as a whole.
But it actually does have a mechanism to ensure Palpatine never returns.
A mechanism which sticks. Never once IU is palpatine brought back after DE-the characters don’t ever to the best of my knowledge consider the idea possible(though some trash the clones as not really Palpatine), and OOU-they easily could have made Palpatine a resurrecting comic villain, but they never did.
It remains to be seen if the ST will hold the same measure.
Eh, I'd like to see what Disney does with a Dark Rey, possessed by Palpatine. I mean, traditionally female Siths are...rather revealing in choice of clothes. On the other hand, the modest but tight style has its own appeal.
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Eh? That’s not always the case?
Sorzus Syn
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Lumiya’s attire was tight fitting but she was a sixty year old cyborg.
Zannah was a beautiful woman, but she dressed like a sorceress with black robes that didn’t reveal her figure.
But female Sith dress-is usually a tight fitting bodysuit, or the traditional black robes.
Rey as a villain? Where you have been the past few years?
Guess the more visible sith ladies stuck more in my mind.
I'm not sure what that's supposed to mean?
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AspblastUSA
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I would watch the shit out of that. It sounds like the sort of flaming train wreck that would be amazing.
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In the true spirit of 'Let the Past D--nevermind!'
Local theater brought back classics to present because of all the comcough covidy goodness going on, and Empire Strikes Back was one of them that me and a few others went to see.
Very cool to see on the big screen as something I'd never done. Still holds up pretty well, honestly--the most jarring moments are easily the special-edition edits that are jarringly visible on the bigger screen because the CGI is blahgetty in comparison to modern stuff, whereas the moments done with miniatures and matte-painting (I think that's what they did in many cases for backgrounds? Unsure--I'm assuming based off what I know of Blade Runner special-effects techniques) can still be taken at face-value pretty easily. You know they're there and can tell what they are, but they're easier to look at. So most holds up better.
From a broader level, and on something that I think hits a change in films in-general (and comparisons between the OT and the sequel), though? One interesting thing that struck me was how much bit-players and parts actually get camera time and, to limited degree, development or presentation on-screen that modern movies tend not to bother with or gloss over? It's probably even what's behind some of the phenomenon of Boba Fett and the Expanded Universe, really...
Imperial officers interact with one another and have these looks that get shared between them or at Vader's retreating cape whenever he exits a scene that the camera holds on before the scene actually transitions that establishes them and the Empire. Despite very few lines of dialogue, and in only one case (Admiral Ossel) getting called-out by Vader explicitly as something (incompetent), folks like Piett, Veers, and Needa all get enough presentation to be firmly labeled with a degree of personality--Piett is kind of this in-over-his-head dude who's decent at his job but still shit-scared of Vader, Veers is this cold imperial functionary just doing his job, and Needa is the token honorable-bad-guy who cares enough about his crew to jump on the failure-grenade that invites Vader-choking. Their names are used maybe once or twice a piece at most, and they're essentially just there to emphasize 'Empire bad' and 'Vader badass', but they're still more noticeable.
In comparison such bit parts--especially on the villain side--don't get that same kind of attention in modern stuff it seems? The easy example is pointing to Force Awakens and how very disappointingly little Captain Phasma offers. And besides her...Who is there of the new Empire that's distinguishable? Hux, I suppose? But he borders the edge of main character, I think, so it's not quite the same as being a somewhat-random ship-captain or ground-commander who still get that level of camera-time and personality?
Last Jedi does have, for instance, Captain Canady (and I think this whole phenomenon might be part of the reason I liked him) the dreadnought-officer who dies in the opening but nonetheless has an identifiable personality and, despite the quick death, enough time to establish it. And I suppose Phasma reappears but...again, she doesn't really do much?
I dunnow. Probably nostalgia-goggles and far too-much rememberings of EU stuff about people and places that color it, but I still think it's an identifiable change or difference in movie production. Something I might keep an eye out for going forwards, at least.
Local theater brought back classics to present because of all the comcough covidy goodness going on, and Empire Strikes Back was one of them that me and a few others went to see.
Very cool to see on the big screen as something I'd never done. Still holds up pretty well, honestly--the most jarring moments are easily the special-edition edits that are jarringly visible on the bigger screen because the CGI is blahgetty in comparison to modern stuff, whereas the moments done with miniatures and matte-painting (I think that's what they did in many cases for backgrounds? Unsure--I'm assuming based off what I know of Blade Runner special-effects techniques) can still be taken at face-value pretty easily. You know they're there and can tell what they are, but they're easier to look at. So most holds up better.
From a broader level, and on something that I think hits a change in films in-general (and comparisons between the OT and the sequel), though? One interesting thing that struck me was how much bit-players and parts actually get camera time and, to limited degree, development or presentation on-screen that modern movies tend not to bother with or gloss over? It's probably even what's behind some of the phenomenon of Boba Fett and the Expanded Universe, really...
Imperial officers interact with one another and have these looks that get shared between them or at Vader's retreating cape whenever he exits a scene that the camera holds on before the scene actually transitions that establishes them and the Empire. Despite very few lines of dialogue, and in only one case (Admiral Ossel) getting called-out by Vader explicitly as something (incompetent), folks like Piett, Veers, and Needa all get enough presentation to be firmly labeled with a degree of personality--Piett is kind of this in-over-his-head dude who's decent at his job but still shit-scared of Vader, Veers is this cold imperial functionary just doing his job, and Needa is the token honorable-bad-guy who cares enough about his crew to jump on the failure-grenade that invites Vader-choking. Their names are used maybe once or twice a piece at most, and they're essentially just there to emphasize 'Empire bad' and 'Vader badass', but they're still more noticeable.
In comparison such bit parts--especially on the villain side--don't get that same kind of attention in modern stuff it seems? The easy example is pointing to Force Awakens and how very disappointingly little Captain Phasma offers. And besides her...Who is there of the new Empire that's distinguishable? Hux, I suppose? But he borders the edge of main character, I think, so it's not quite the same as being a somewhat-random ship-captain or ground-commander who still get that level of camera-time and personality?
Last Jedi does have, for instance, Captain Canady (and I think this whole phenomenon might be part of the reason I liked him) the dreadnought-officer who dies in the opening but nonetheless has an identifiable personality and, despite the quick death, enough time to establish it. And I suppose Phasma reappears but...again, she doesn't really do much?
I dunnow. Probably nostalgia-goggles and far too-much rememberings of EU stuff about people and places that color it, but I still think it's an identifiable change or difference in movie production. Something I might keep an eye out for going forwards, at least.
Bigking321
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You've pretty much nailed it.
I think it's a part of world building as a whole and the ot had it in spades.
Most of the Eu is just bit characters getting expanded to great success.
The st absolutely suffers from it's lack.
I think it's a part of world building as a whole and the ot had it in spades.
Most of the Eu is just bit characters getting expanded to great success.
The st absolutely suffers from it's lack.
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That’s qualitatively not true?
Well, at least some of the EU stories focus on characters that had only a passing scene in the OT and PT. Like Dexter or that beastmaster of Jabba's.
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I’m well aware.
My point is that the bulk of EU material is about different characters or expanding the main characters storylines.
My point is that the bulk of EU material is about different characters or expanding the main characters storylines.