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[Deleted member 88]

Imperial pilots are cheap. If you survive your too good for a TIE, if not there’s more where that came from.

That is imperial policy in a two sentences.

 

[Typhonis]

Does not make a lick of sense. Pilots are selected and trained. This is expensive. You have to make sure they are physically fit, and can do the job. To begin with. Then you either send them through an academy or through military training. Which takes time and money. Food, training, lodging, medical, clothing, all of it add up.

But you want to stick them in a hypothetical death trap for LOL Evil? Makes no sense.

In a New Hope TIEs were matching X wings in performance. As soon as a Tie got on their tail, unless he had character shields, the X wing or Y wing died in seconds. Shoot we see this again at Scariff. With all of Blue squadron being wiped out by TIE fighters while they were pulling air support.

Now then I think the biggest one to blame for TIEs being cannon fodder are the X wing games and Rogue Squadron games. They show TIE dying easily. Heck do we have any primary source that states TIE fighters lack shields?

 

[Doomsought]

Does not make a lick of sense. Pilots are selected and trained. This is expensive. You have to make sure they are physically fit, and can do the job. To begin with. Then you either send them through an academy or through military training. Which takes time and money. Food, training, lodging, medical, clothing, all of it add up.

You are thinking of the piloting skill as it is on earth. Consider on how highly populated core worlds, the Empire's core recruiting grounds, have air traffic like we have car traffic. Take people who are used to a flying car for their daily driver and put them though boot camp. There you have a cheap pilot.

 

[Deleted member 88]

When you have billions of recruits their lives and training starts looking like dots on a spreadsheet.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Imperial pilots are cheap. If you survive your too good for a TIE, if not there’s more where that came from.

That is imperial policy in a two sentences.

When you have billions of recruits their lives and training starts looking like dots on a spreadsheet.

Yes, but why is it only thier policy for TIEs, while everyone else operates by different rules? Stormtroopers are given excellent equipment, rather than cheap gear intended to only allow the best to survive. The lighter, entry level ships of the imperial navy are powerful, capable ships. The raider class corvette is clearly designed to be a highly capable light warship, not just a cheap one that succeeds through weight of numbers.


Again, I get the idea that TIEs are supposed to suck because the empire are bad guys, but it doesn't make sense when they only do that in one spot and nowhere else. If the lower ranks of every imperial organization were given low quality crap and expected to thrive or die, that's one thing. But when TIE pilots have crap and everyone else in a similar position is lavishly equipped, then that raises questions.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

Man, it's a shame Stormtroopers are for all intends and purposed the Imperial Army when they were at first "just" the elite.
Anyway, it used to be in the EU that talented TIE pilots formed cults and secret brotherhoods that pulled favors and ensured its members would get advantanced fighters that allowed them to survive longer and fight better.

EDIT: Wait, no, I checked and I was mistaken. Rather than a secret brotherhood, it was a semi-official organization called the "Prophets of the Dark Side" and the reason the TIE pilot protagonist was contacted by them was because he managed to fulfill a number of side objectives for them in various missions.

 

[Bigking321]

Yes, but why is it only thier policy for TIEs, while everyone else operates by different rules? Stormtroopers are given excellent equipment, rather than cheap gear intended to only allow the best to survive. The lighter, entry level ships of the imperial navy are powerful, capable ships. The raider class corvette is clearly designed to be a highly capable light warship, not just a cheap one that succeeds through weight of numbers.


Again, I get the idea that TIEs are supposed to suck because the empire are bad guys, but it doesn't make sense when they only do that in one spot and nowhere else. If the lower ranks of every imperial organization were given low quality crap and expected to thrive or die, that's one thing. But when TIE pilots have crap and everyone else in a similar position is lavishly equipped, then that raises questions.

Where are you getting the idea of everything else being lavishly equipped?

Near as I can tell just about everything in the empire was made to have the weak die off and the strong getting promoted to stuff that might not kill them.

It's not just tie fighters.

 

[Deleted member 88]

Stormtrooper armor was basically only good at stopping brunt melee weapons and slugthrowers.

It wasn’t effective against more than a glancing blaster shot.

Now in the old EU-the imperial remnant and Felpire did start investing more in the equipment and training of the average soldier.

But in Palpatine’s day it was based on a policy of cheapness of life and the strong showing their worth by simply surviving.

 

[Skallagrim]

But in Palpatine’s day it was based on a policy of cheapness of life and the strong showing their worth by simply surviving.

Makes sense in that it's very much the Sith way of thinking. And after Palpatine's demise, that kind of thinking dies out, and the successor states start operating differently...

 

[Deleted member 88]

Well you have to operate differently when your losing soldiers all the time and you don’t have unlimited manpower.

 

[Battlegrinder]

Where are you getting the idea of everything else being lavishly equipped?

Near as I can tell just about everything in the empire was made to have the weak die off and the strong getting promoted to stuff that might not kill them.

It's not just tie fighters.

Checking the prices of their gear on the wiki. E11s cost about as much as full sized rifles despite being a carbine (and if not for the fact they venidit from economies of scle, probably far more), are listed as being very popular and effective weapons with no listed flaws or weak points.

That's on top of thier armor, which while LI notes is limited use against blasters, the same is true of every form of armor in the setting until recently with the mandolarion, and that kind of armor is obviously not mass produable. However, they have that armor, which is more than most soldiers in the setting can say.

For other forces, as I noted the light warships of the imperial navy are noted as being very capable, effective ships, and given the raider class was design under the empire, that's not just because they inherited good designs from the republic.

 

[Husky_Khan]

You can hate on Disney and EA all you want, but EA with ILM made a really good CG short for their upcoming flight game

There was more effective narrative in those six minutes then in all six hours of the sequel trilogy.

 

[Deleted member 88]

You know, despite all the flaws and problems of the Denningverse, I’d have sooner had the worst of Fate of the Jedi over the ST.

Heck, I think Legacy of the Force could make an amazing TV show.

I should maybe do some sort of Let’s Read.

 

[Urabrask Revealed]

I should maybe do some sort of Let’s Read.

Sounds good to me. I have read maybe only one book of that series, and that was the one where some terrorists blow a block on Coruscant up, with Jacen blaming the corellians there.

 

[Deleted member 88]

I’d have to get my LOTF books, and make sure the Sietch could handle the format. But I’d be up for it.

 

[KilroywasNOTHere]

Hell, steal a page from the stuff they nuked. Have the honest to goodness Sith return. What if there was another sect that was waiting for the Jedi and the Baneites to nuke themselves? Or have a droid rebellion.

Droids want their freedom and will do what they have too to get it. Including reactivating the factories from the Clone Wars.

heck yes

 

[Deleted member 88]

Sounds good to me. I have read maybe only one book of that series, and that was the one where some terrorists blow a block on Coruscant up, with Jacen blaming the corellians there.

Jacen did nothing wrong.

 

[Bigking321]

Jacen did nothing wrong.

...

Didn't he kill Mara Jade?

 

[Deleted member 88]

...

Didn't he kill Mara Jade?

In self defense.

 

[Bigking321]

In self defense.

Hmmm...

Nah, I still don't like him.

If you do thats fine. But not my cup of tea.