Texas Border Invasion Standoff

[Bacle]

For all you guys saying you want a Civil War...you have zero idea what you are asking for. If you've seen War in any capacity then you never want to see it again. Unless you're a psychopath and just simply don't care. So long as you get to kill your enemies.


The sheer destruction this would do to us as a Nation and a people is beyond what you can comprehend. There is no coming back from that a second time and we barely recovered from it once. And it's still had effects on us nearly a 150 years later.

No. I don't want that. I want this to end with with a Convention of States that sees the Federal Governments encroachment on our rights curbed and not a war that rips us apart and leaves us vulnerable to our enemies. Cause like it or not, we have many of them. Probably more now thanks to Joey Bag of Donuts and the NeoLib/NeoCon Alliance.

No.

I didn't fight to keep this country safe only to see it break apart. It's all I'll say on that.

I don't want a civil war, or national divorce, because it won't work for the GOP the way they hope it will.

The Dems live in a different reality that of the GOP and most of the military members do, and will go for more...extreme options in munitions if the powers in DC are actually threatened in a meaningful way.

Though I would also point out France is on what # republic these days, and is still undeniably France; if France can survive changes in government structure and partial collapse (Vichy getting mixed back into the rest of France after WW2, Napoleon, the multiple changes in monarchy/republic) so can we.

A 2nd American Republic coming out the other side of civil strife is far from the worst possibility.

 

[DarthOne]

I don't want a civil war, or national divorce, because it won't work for the GOP the way they hope it will.

The Dems live in a different reality that of the GOP and most of the military members do, and will go for more...extreme options in munitions if the powers in DC are actually threatened in a meaningful way.

Though I would also point out France is on what # republic these days, and is still undeniably France; if France can survive changes in government structure and partial collapse (Vichy getting mixed back into the rest of France after WW2, Napoleon, the multiple changes in monarchy/republic) so can we.

A 2nd American Republic coming out the other side of civil strife is far from the worst possibility.

You assume that the people who have the job of actually firing the nukes will obey orders to do so.

 

[Bacle]

You assume that the people who have the job of actually firing the nukes will obey orders to do so.

It's more I think the command chain is the big target for Dem infiltration of people who WOULD.

The Dems are convinced of the loyalty of key turners for nukes towards their pawns/levers of power, as Swalwell and Pelosi and Biden have repeatedly shown. And they are going to keep pushing as many of their favored folks into positions of authority in the nuke command chain.

Military members have shouted me down before for saying the Dems don't view nukes the way the GOP and military do, and think all the safeguards around keeping nukes from being used in a domestic conflict are invulnerable to the political overton window.

The people who work around nukes don't like hearing the the military indoc they have regarding them is irrelevant to the reality the Dems live in, and try to shout down anyone who tries to warn them the Dems do not think like they do.

Edit: Though ironically the main nuke assembly plant is in Texas, so if this goes weird, DC might actually lose access to their main source of new/refurbished nukes.

 

[Terthna]

Biden stated he is actually totally for fixing the border but is being blocked by the conservatives. And that the "real solution" is to pass a bill that gives him more powers.

Of course he is; because the solution is always to give the establishment more power to make the problem worse. Anyone who buys that bullhonky is gullible enough he could convince them that their left arm is a unicorn, and their right a jive-talking salmon.

 

[TheRomanSlayer]

I'm more concerned with how the instability of America will affect both Mexico and Canada. Unfortunately for someone like me, my province borders one Democrat state, but also shares one border with Idaho and Montana.

 

[Bacle]

I'm more concerned with how the instability of America will affect both Mexico and Canada. Unfortunately for someone like me, my province borders one Democrat state, but also shares one border with Idaho and Montana.

You'd be safer running to Alaska than CONUS if things go weird; way more likely to be stable at the local level politically, despite it's current dysfunction.

Alaska is likely to follow DC's command, so you need to keep in mind the local GOP in Alaska won't be trying to split from DC.

 

[Zachowon]

Partially correct. But several things factor into that.

1.) The Left as a whole has believed the Right the Right has been bluffing all these years concerning fighting for our Constitutional rights. The Right isn't bluffing nor has the right ever bluffed on these issue and the Left is slowly realizing that.

2.) The Left is starting to come under attack from the Establishment too. So far it's only their moderate voices but the Establishment will come for the rest of them eventually when they become inconvenient. This is causing a shift away from the Establishment as the nation is is shifting away from globalism to National Populism.

3.) War is all fun and games, and you can be 'assured' of victory until that first bullet whizzes past your head. Then it's suddenly all too real. And that shock wakes a lot of people up.

4.) In a Nation where 80 million people voted for the enemy of the Establishment and thst man grows more popular by the day and converting more of your base to his cause. And how even the Military is still mostly made up of people who love him...can you be assured you can keep that population in check? Even if only a tenth of them decided to make a fight of it?

5) despite recent attempts to wokify the Military, a good chunk of their population still comes from red states and maintain conservative values. If the Feds push too hard on this issue Texas would succeed from the Union. And you better believe at least half the Nation would follow. The military would decintigrate and the Military is key to maintaining power in any coup.

6.) The US is still facing foreign threats. Very serious foreign threats. In order to win a Civil War at home and still maintain a level of parity with those foreign adversaries then you need to win a conflict with a minimum of bloodshed and have the population simply accept it and move on. But as the America first moment is showing, that isn't going to happen.

What's more, I think this has finally gotten through to Biden and his handlers at least to some extent. At least enough to change some of their tone. But we'll see how it goes as I readily admit I could be wrong.

The only way to ensure the nation js not vulnerable to foreign powers would be fir the government to keep the military out of the matter and use the federal agencies plus the blue states guards to help push back.

Would it work? Maybe, maybe not.

@Bacle they will not go to the level of nuking and I can assure you, the amount of people willing to launch nukes on america is so small if you could even find one.
Ni matter what political party they favor they wouldn't do it.
Even if it is on a red state.

Because even the left wing people I have worked with at times, one who thinks his home state if Texas is a racist one and has a bunch, would not want to see it nuked.

I actually have faith in my fellow service members at the scale of nukes.
Individual ones who are to hungry and end up pulling triggers may get friendly fired or cause issues and cause problems.

But not t9 the scale of nukes

 

[mrttao]

It's more I think the command chain is the big target for Dem infiltration of people who WOULD.

The Dems are convinced of the loyalty of key turners for nukes towards their pawns/levers of power, as Swalwell and Pelosi and Biden have repeatedly shown. And they are going to keep pushing as many of their favored folks into positions of authority in the nuke command chain.

Military members have shouted me down before for saying the Dems don't view nukes the way the GOP and military do, and think all the safeguards around keeping nukes from being used in a domestic conflict are invulnerable to the political overton window.

The people who work around nukes don't like hearing the the military indoc they have regarding them is irrelevant to the reality the Dems live in, and try to shout down anyone who tries to warn them the Dems do not think like they do.

Edit: Though ironically the main nuke assembly plant is in Texas, so if this goes weird, DC might actually lose access to their main source of new/refurbished nukes.

> Dems will use nukes

So they will kill their own supporters? because the cities are overwhelmingly liberal while the countryside overwhelmingly conservative.

Or will they nuke the farmlands to kill all those conservative farmers? then they will all starve to death.

 

[Bacle]

The only way to ensure the nation js not vulnerable to foreign powers would be fir the government to keep the military out of the matter and use the federal agencies plus the blue states guards to help push back.

Would it work? Maybe, maybe not.

@Bacle they will not go to the level of nuking and I can assure you, the amount of people willing to launch nukes on america is so small if you could even find one.
Ni matter what political party they favor they wouldn't do it.
Even if it is on a red state.

Because even the left wing people I have worked with at times, one who thinks his home state if Texas is a racist one and has a bunch, would not want to see it nuked.

I actually have faith in my fellow service members at the scale of nukes.
Individual ones who are to hungry and end up pulling triggers may get friendly fired or cause issues and cause problems.

But not t9 the scale of nukes

I hope you are right, but I am not the one you have to convince.

I'm just trying to warn people how the Dem base thinks, particularly the ones who elect the types like Swalwell, Pelosi, and Biden. What Dems will say when they are not in 'mixed' company is some stuff I think the GOP seriously doesn't understand, and the modern media do not let the public understand.

Do not assume the progressive base of the Dems, or their progeny, share your, or other military members, views about nukes in domestic conflicts.

Just look at how many were willing to boost 'glass Texas'; they know what they want, the GOP and military just doesn't want to believe them.

 

[Zachowon]

I hope you are right, but I am not the one you have to convince.

I'm just trying to warn people how the Dem base thinks, particularly the ones who elect the types like Swalwell, Pelosi, and Biden. What Dems will say when they are not in 'mixed' company is some stuff I think the GOP seriously doesn't understand, and the modern media do not let the public understand.

Do not assume the progressive base of the Dems, or their progeny, share your, or other military members, views about nukes in domestic conflicts.

Just look at how many were willing to boost 'glass Texas'; they know what they want, the GOP and military just doesn't want to believe them.

Bacle.
I have literally worked woth social democrats in the army.
They also won't fucking use nukes.

Not a single soul in the military outside if VERY few, like .001 percent would be willing to.
And they wouldn't be able to launch them or use the codes

 

[Carrot of Truth]

your going to be waiting quite a few decades for that.

I think your going to see mass debt defaults first, which wont just happen in america but across the world because the global national debt levels are pretty much unpayable.

Honestly this is a legitimate flashpoint for a civil war. I think it could easily kick off at any point now since the US has become a tenderbox.

 

[Bacle]

> Dems will use nukes

So they will kill their own supporters? because the cities are overwhelmingly liberal while the countryside overwhelmingly conservative.

Or will they nuke the farmlands to kill all those conservative farmers? then they will all starve to death.

No, they won't nuke willy-nilly, an not their own supporters

But rogue units of military that don't want to take orders from DC may be fair game, particularly if they have nukes too.

Because nukes are leverage, as much as weapons; nuclear blackmail could be a very real thing if this goes weird.

Bacle.
I have literally worked woth social democrats in the army.
They also won't fucking use nukes.

Not a single soul in the military outside if VERY few, like .001 percent would be willing to.
And they wouldn't be able to launch them or use the codes

If that was the case, why was 'glass Texas' trending on Twitter at some points?

Why did Swalwell talk about the Airborne Command Post and Biden talk about needing F-15's and nukes to resist the government multiple times?

YOUR OWN CHAIN OF COMMAND BELIEVES THIS, AND HOLLYWOOD IS ON THEIR SIDE BROADCASTING IT TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF DEMS.

They aren't going to use nukes tomorrow, or even 10 years from now, but they will prime the next gen of Dems for it so that it is your kids who will be seen as traitors for having you as a father, because you were a Trump supporter.

The GOP can barely plan past the next 2 years, while the Dems keep planning for the next 2 generations, and it keeps showing.

 

[Zachowon]

No, they won't nuke willy-nilly, an not their own supporters

But rogue units of military that don't want to take orders from DC may be fair game, particularly if they have nukes too.

Because nukes are leverage, as much as weapons; nuclear blackmail could be a very real thing if this goes weird.

If that was the case, why was 'glass Texas' trending on Twitter at some points?

Why did Swalwell talk about the Airborne Command Post and Biden talk about needing F-15's and nukes to resist the government multiple times?

YOUR OWN CHAIN OF COMMAND BELIEVES THIS, AND HOLLYWOOD IS ON THEIR SIDE BROADCASTING IT TO THE NEXT GENERATION OF DEMS.

They aren't going to use nukes tomorrow, or even 10 years from now, but they will prime the next gen of Dems for it so that it is your kids who will be seen as traitors for having you as a father, because you were a Trump supporter.

The GOP can barely plan past the next 2 years, while the Dems keep planning for the next 2 generations, and it keeps showing.

Because the supply chain to get those nukes to fly, to get those aircraft in the air, all onvovle a lot.
A E3 takes more then just a few pilots to fly.
F 15s can't fly if they arnt fueled and armed.
Nukes can't launch without two people agreeing and accepting the target.

It's because they are stupid and think it works that way, when the people who man said systems, and have employed and fought using then fir the last 20 years?
Know every aspect needed.
How dies an F 15 patrol your cities?
How does a E3 have usefulness if you don't have eyes everywhere to help.
How can these people help if you didnt declare martial law in the first place.

the military is not made to fight a COIN fight domesticslly and never will he.
it is physically impossible.

@Spartan303 how easy is it for a patrol to never leave base if they dint have fuel or the capability to even leave?

 

[Spartan303]

@Spartan303 how easy is it for a patrol to never leave base if they dint have fuel or the capability to even leave?

It won't. Simple as that.

 

[49ersfootball]

I’m hearing that the deadline is for 11pm today, but that’s just hearsay. I haven’t been able to find any official statements as to exactly when the deadline runs out.

Biden's a fucking IDIOT.

 

[49ersfootball]

Border Patrol has 'no plans' to remove razor wire set up by Texas amid feud with Biden admin

U.S. Border Patrol has a strong relationship with Texas officials, and will not be cutting razor wire except in emergencies, a senior official tells Fox News.

www.foxnews.com

Border Patrol states they have no plan to remove razor wire at the border.

Biden may have already blinked.

Because the entire Biden administration needs to get FIRED in November ASAP.

I hope he's the LAST Democratic President we'll ever get in a long time!

 

[Zachowon]

It won't. Simple as that.

Exactly.
You can't fight a war without supplies. Most military bases are not in the middle of nowhere.

 

[Floridaman]

I'm more concerned with how the instability of America will affect both Mexico and Canada. Unfortunately for someone like me, my province borders one Democrat state, but also shares one border with Idaho and Montana.

Don't worry it would, on the bright side you wouldn't be ruled by Trudeau anymore.

 

[Bacle]

Because the supply chain to get those nukes to fly, to get those aircraft in the air, all onvovle a lot.
A E3 takes more then just a few pilots to fly.
F 15s can't fly if they arnt fueled and armed.
Nukes can't launch without two people agreeing and accepting the target.

It's because they are stupid and think it works that way, when the people who man said systems, and have employed and fought using then fir the last 20 years?
Know every aspect needed.
How dies an F 15 patrol your cities?
How does a E3 have usefulness if you don't have eyes everywhere to help.
How can these people help if you didnt declare martial law in the first place.

the military is not made to fight a COIN fight domesticslly and never will he.
it is physically impossible.

@Spartan303 how easy is it for a patrol to never leave base if they dint have fuel or the capability to even leave?

You keep acting like the Dems haven't gamed this out too, and are actively pushing the overton window in response.

Like do you want me to break it down step by step the actions the Dems are taking to push the overton window that direction, and lay out the patht the Dems are paving to the day they have key turners why would, and social climate that might accept it?

What do you think all the anti-2A stuff and ATF fuckery is about; removing the ranged weapons from the civie population that make rebellion against DC even possible at any level. It's why there is that massive rule out for AA guns and missiles in the 'cannot be civie owned' rules supported by SCOTUS for 2A laws and why the ATF is allowed to be so retardedly antagonistic towards gun owners, particularly veterans and survivalists.

It's why the Dems do not complain about private guards or heavily armed private security forces, people who loyalty is to a contract, not a nation, and they want a populace where only their favored/contracted groups have ranged weapons. Because lot harder to threaten the family of a loyal key-turner for a nuke if most civies don't have guns anymore, or guns are so expensive only the favored and rich can reasonably afford them.

It's why they villify anything but progressive thought and redefinition of things all the time.

They changed the definiton of male and female, something that is a biological fact they want to play with for many reasons; what makes you think they cannot convince people in the younger progressive groups to change what constitutes a legitimate target for a nuke strike or 'acceptable losses' in a civil war?

 

[Abhorsen]

Ultimately, the reason I want a national divorce is that quite simply, I don't want to be governed by people who accept socialism. I don't want to live with them or near them. A national divorce solves this. We can have 2 America, one on capitalism, the other on socialism, and we can watch one collapse but keep America itself alive.

No, they won't nuke willy-nilly, an not their own supporters

But rogue units of military that don't want to take orders from DC may be fair game, particularly if they have nukes too.

Because nukes are leverage, as much as weapons; nuclear blackmail could be a very real thing if this goes weird.

Lol no. Again, you simply don't understand warfare, and this demonstrates it once again. A civil war like this is very much a morale war. And guess what crushes someone's morality? Nuking their own populace. Expect mass assassinations following shortly afterwards and mass unrest.


And thinking they'd nuke people with nukes? Really? That would get MAD'd back. Who do you think's getting all the nuclear submarines? No One. They'll be split up likely, many being scuttled by people on one side or the other. There won't be a rogue military group. There will be groups. And everything will be infiltrated heavily.