Texas Border Invasion Standoff

Floridaman

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Ultimately, the reason I want a national divorce is that quite simply, I don't want to be governed by people who accept socialism. I don't want to live with them or near them. A national divorce solves this. We can have 2 America, one on capitalism, the other on socialism, and we can watch one collapse but keep America itself alive.

Lol no. Again, you simply don't understand warfare, and this demonstrates it once again. A civil war like this is very much a morale war. And guess what crushes someone's morality? Nuking their own populace. Expect mass assassinations following shortly afterwards and mass unrest.


And thinking they'd nuke people with nukes? Really? That would get MAD'd back. Who do you think's getting all the nuclear submarines? No One. They'll be split up likely, many being scuttled by people on one side or the other. There won't be a rogue military group. There will be groups. And everything will be infiltrated heavily.
I would say more than 2, as Europe has shown repeatedly the bigger the country the worse it is, the best world would be made up of many lichtensteins.
 

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Lol no. Again, you simply don't understand warfare, and this demonstrates it once again. A civil war like this is very much a morale war. And guess what crushes someone's morality? Nuking their own populace. Expect mass assassinations following shortly afterwards and mass unrest.


And thinking they'd nuke people with nukes? Really? That would get MAD'd back. Who do you think's getting all the nuclear submarines? No One. They'll be split up likely, many being scuttled by people on one side or the other. There won't be a rogue military group. There will be groups. And everything will be infiltrated heavily.
No, you just don't want to understand things that conflict with your preferred world views.

I am not the one you have to convince, because I am trying to relay that what I am saying is what I've seen inside the Dems, what the Dems themselves are saying, and what people here seem to refuse to believe the prog-Dems actually think, and will admit when not in 'mixed company'.

Also, was talking to Zach (who is not being insulting), not responding to you (who is), so do not start with this shit again because you will not like what happens.

You've been warned I am in no mood for this shit anymore, I know it, so back off.
 
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So my current big question is what laws govern federalizing the national guard? I now there's the insurrection act, which is a big un that's political suicide for Biden (but given he's already dead, that might not be much of a cost, who knows?).

What law allows the US to federalize the National Guard though, and how does that work, and also who ultimately controls who controls the National Guard (i.e. who can use them)? I know there's stuff like defend the guard which is trying to make it more State-centric control, but I'm unsure what else can be done.





I would say more than 2, as Europe has shown repeatedly the bigger the country the worse it is, the best world would be made up of many lichtensteins.
Sure, but the group isn't going to be all alone.

No, you just don't want to understand things that conflict with your preferred world views.
My preferred views of "knowing what MAD is." Like that's basic history man.

I am not the one you have to convince, because I am trying to relay that what I am saying is what I've seen inside the Dems, what the Dems themselves are saying, and what people here seem to refuse to believe the prog-Dems actually think, and will admit when not in 'mixed company'.
And you think that the USSR wasn't twice as deranged? The craziest Dems aren't going to get near nukes because they won't be allowed by the actual ruling party to get close to them. Also, that ruling party is aware of MAD.

Also, you think your the only one with insight into the prog dems? Really? Please.

Also, was talking to Zach (who is not being insulting), not responding to you (who is), so do not start with this shit again because you will not like what happens.
Lol "Won't like what happens." You keep trying to write checks, but you never cash. It's the internet. If you don't like someone, stop paying attention. In the mean time, you aren't talking to Zach, you are talking to the thread. This isn't a PM, sometimes people will talk to you that you didn't directly reply to, especially when your speculation about how a military would respond is so wrong.

You've been warned I am in no mood for this shit anymore, I know it, so back off.
Then don't post stupid stuff? It's not hard.
 

Bacle

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So my current big question is what laws govern federalizing the national guard? I now there's the insurrection act, which is a big un that's political suicide for Biden (but given he's already dead, that might not be much of a cost, who knows?).

What law allows the US to federalize the National Guard though, and how does that work, and also who ultimately controls who controls the National Guard (i.e. who can use them)? I know there's stuff like defend the guard which is trying to make it more State-centric control, but I'm unsure what else can be done.






Sure, but the group isn't going to be all alone.


My preferred views of "knowing what MAD is." Like that's basic history man.


And you think that the USSR wasn't twice as deranged? The craziest Dems aren't going to get near nukes because they won't be allowed by the actual ruling party to get close to them. Also, that ruling party is aware of MAD.

Also, you think your the only one with insight into the prog dems? Really? Please.


Lol "Won't like what happens." You keep trying to write checks, but you never cash. It's the internet. If you don't like someone, stop paying attention. In the mean time, you aren't talking to Zach, you are talking to the thread. This isn't a PM, sometimes people will talk to you that you didn't directly reply to, especially when your speculation about how a military would respond is so wrong.


Then don't post stupid stuff? It's not hard.
I was specifically responding to Zach in that exchange, not you, and your argument/viewpoint on this is barely worth addressing due to your bias against the military and federal government, while Zach actually has a position and knowledge on the subject worth attention and not just a kneejerk AnCap trying to harass someone who has repeatedly called them out.

You are the last person on this site I would ever trust for anything relating to military matters, and frankly if you were not a mod I would have you on Ignore.
 

Carrot of Truth

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So my current big question is what laws govern federalizing the national guard? I now there's the insurrection act, which is a big un that's political suicide for Biden (but given he's already dead, that might not be much of a cost, who knows?).

What law allows the US to federalize the National Guard though, and how does that work, and also who ultimately controls who controls the National Guard (i.e. who can use them)? I know there's stuff like defend the guard which is trying to make it more State-centric control, but I'm unsure what else can be done.

Honestly everything the Biden regime has done can only be described as political suicide, Democrats like him historically have always been opportunistic little worms. The only explanation I can come up with is that his handlers are actual communist nutjobs rather than just opportunistic thieves trying to plunder as much as possible.
 
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Abhorsen

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I was specifically responding to Zach in that exchange, not you, and your argument/viewpoint on this is barely worth addressing due to your bias against the military and federal government, while Zach actually has a position and knowledge on the subject worth attention and not just a kneejerk AnCap trying to harass someone who has repeatedly called them out.

You are the last person on this site I would ever trust for anything relating to military matters, and frankly if you were not a mod I would have you on Ignore.
I'm sorry that you feel that basic MAD which governed 40 years of military history and heavily influenced the next 30 is an argument not worth addressing. If you want a private conversation we offer private messages, moderation free (or pretty close. TOS, no CP, stuff like that).

Honestly everything the Biden regime has done can only be described as political suicide, Democrats like him historically have always been opportunistic little worms. The only explanation I can come up with is that his handlers are actual communist nutjobs rather than just opportunistic thieves trying to plunder as much as possible.
See, IDK. Maybe it's a suicidal charge, because at this point they figure he's already dead, might as well milk him while his career dies?

Anyway, I remain curious about the exact chain of command that can be used here.
 

Bacle

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I'm sorry that you feel that basic MAD which governed 40 years of military history and heavily influenced the next 30 is an argument not worth addressing. If you want a private conversation we offer private messages, moderation free (or pretty close. TOS, no CP, stuff like that).
I want you to not respond to me when I am not talking to you, and for you to generally just not interact with me unless directed to by other mods.
 

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I want you to not respond to me when I am not talking to you, and for you to generally just not interact with me unless directed to by other mods.
No. This is a public site. You are posting in public. There are PMs should you wish to use them. I'm not chasing you. Just commenting on stuff you say that I a) happen to see, and b) agree or disagree with.

Well at least now I don't have to have any doubt some staff are egging him on into these fights with me.
You are demanding frankly unreasonable things because you can't stand being shown up for having dumb opinions. So a person made a joke about it. "Oh noes, it's a conspiracy."

If you want to post something on the website, you are free to do so. Posters are free to respond to it. If you want, you can ask Agent23 about how he set up a mod ignore using a browser extension or something if you are honestly that annoyed about seeing me point out the obvious.

I'm not trying to chase you down here. All I've done is point out that the Dems using nukes is about as likely as climate change covering Everest.






Anyway, on topic again:
That 24 hour deadline is well past at this point.

As for Biden's "deal", it's all about him taking more power. He already has enough power to deal with this. It's hilariously transparent.
 

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Also, House Leader Johnson seems to be signaling that he's going to have Mayorkas impeached next week.

I've got to say, this is exactly the right target. You don't actually want to give the Dems a chance to get rid of Biden, because you want him running. So don't impeach him. But Attacking Mayorkas is a lot easier as well.
 

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I want you to not respond to me when I am not talking to you, and for you to generally just not interact with me unless directed to by other mods.
Why don't you just ignore him then?
instead of demanding he never speak to you?

... actually, can you ignore mods? well even if you can't use the site function called ignore, you can just use good old fashioned manual ignore by not reading their posts
 

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... actually, can you ignore mods? well even if you can't use the site function called ignore, you can just use good old fashioned manual ignore by not reading their posts
Agent23 made an extension of some sort that seemed to work. Note you still have to obey mod directives if you use it, even ones you can't see, but you are allowed to use it as it's totally client side.

But there is no innate way to ignore a mod using the site, no.
 
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Bacle

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Why don't you just ignore him then?
instead of demanding he never speak to you?

... actually, can you ignore mods? well even if you can't use the site function called ignore, you can just use good old fashioned manual ignore by not reading their posts
Because formally and publicly telling him to back off is necessary, with the focus he has shown on trying to find posts to insult me for and acted in bad faith towards my arguments on multiple occasions, while always running away when I show him wrong on anything.

He abuses the fact he knows I cannot put him on Ignore to keep up this shit, when I have put others on Ignore for far less than the shit I've dealt with from him.

He's a petty tyrant disguised as an AnCap, and I'm a favored chew toy because I dared to challenge him and prove him wrong on multiple occasions.
 

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He's a petty tyrant disguised as an AnCap, and I'm a favored chew toy because I dared to challenge him and prove him wrong on multiple occasions.
...Sure man. You keep telling yourself that. Your insistence on REEing off at the slightest mention of anything contradicting you is your issue. You can work on this and actually respond like a normal person.

Fortunately, I've found your problem:
Because formally and publicly telling him to back off is necessary, with the focus he has shown on trying to find posts to insult me for and acted in bad faith towards my arguments on multiple occasions, while always running away when I show him wrong on anything.

My 'running away' is me deciding that continuing to talk to you that day isn't worth my time. See, I don't REE about an internet debate. They are useful, and I enjoy being proved wrong when I do lose, as then I learn something, but they aren't life and death. So when I deal with someone who enjoys to REE and repeatedly make the same stupid statement again and again, I can recognize that further communication isn't worth it, and I either laugh at the person, or I leave.

You should take some advice from this. This is just an internet argument. It's not real life man. So what some person you'll never meet mocked you? It's the internet! Just laugh, and move on. Rarely I will get pissed when someone's advocating something horrific, but then I can just go to another discussion for a little while. Or do something else entirely. So next time you get so pissed, don't go endlessly for the last word, just leave when you've said your piece.

Have a thicker skin and just learn to deal with people outside your echo chamber. If you can't, just leave. Don't complain that others are there.
 

Simonbob

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Ok.

I know I'm just a random member, but @Abhorsen, @Bacle does sometimes have good points. And you do go after him.

I'm not really a fan of either of you, but I'm not blind. @Bacle wasn't trying to fight you, and you attacked him.


What's worse, this time @Bacle was pointing out something I hadn't heard before (They're planning how to nuke domestically), and, related? It's a point I don't see often. That is, even if we see it as insane, stupid, and something that'll never work, and even if they could make it happen, it'd only make everything worse for the Uniparty, that doesn't mean they won't do it.



If they're talking about it in private, and planning it out? Then, yes, it might happen. No matter how stupid it seems.
 

TheRomanSlayer

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You'd be safer running to Alaska than CONUS if things go weird; way more likely to be stable at the local level politically, despite it's current dysfunction.

Alaska is likely to follow DC's command, so you need to keep in mind the local GOP in Alaska won't be trying to split from DC.
But at least Alaska’s GOP governor has thrown his or her support behind Texas, even if they might be more inclined to follow DC’s orders.

 

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I know I'm just a random member, but @Abhorsen, @Bacle does sometimes have good points. And you do go after him.

I'm not really a fan of either of you, but I'm not blind. @Bacle wasn't trying to fight you, and you attacked him.


What's worse, this time @Bacle was pointing out something I hadn't heard before (They're planning how to nuke domestically), and, related? It's a point I don't see often. That is, even if we see it as insane, stupid, and something that'll never work, and even if they could make it happen, it'd only make everything worse for the Uniparty, that doesn't mean they won't do it.



If they're talking about it in private, and planning it out? Then, yes, it might happen. No matter how stupid it seems.
Look, here, yes, I attacked his idea. In my opinion, it was a bad idea with no actual backing that didn't have enough evidence for it.

I very much disagreed with the idea that the Uniparty would do it, because it's not in line with how the Uniparty operates, and I thought Bacle's argument was bad. That's what being on the internet means: people get to disagree with you. Maybe it was more an attack than people would like.

Basically, more than it not being in their best interest, it's not how the Uniparty operates. The managerial class wants stability. They don't want to use nukes, it doesn't advance their power. More, it doesn't hit what they believe in. Remember, just like everyone else, the Uniparty views themselves as the good guy. And it's hard to justify using a nuke while feeling like the good guy. Especially when you buy into the Uniparty's overall philosophy. They value other's opinions of them, and they know using a nuke would be perceived badly.
 

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