Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

[Navarro]

Highly doubt that last part, as I doubt the E-USA would have anything in their military or manufacturing machines/computers that be shut down by anyone but them. Be it automation or military robots, I doubt the E-USA has anything that can be shut down easily by anyone but them.

Especially since Mr. House being an official NCR citizen isn't exactly a secret. The E-USA would immediately make sure any technology they are using can't just be shut down from any sudden broadcast coming from the NCR's direction once they discovered that.

RobCo didn't have a monopoly on robits pre-War at any rate - General Atomics was a big competitor. Also, the Enclave were making their own robots in-house post-War, and after (in this fic's verse) they establish an actual state the new robotics companies are naturally (eventually) going to do their own innovation and such.

Also, the successor to the Custer, undergoing preliminary trials:

The story's going well, BTW, I've finally managed to work out the flow of the Texas battle properly and it's heading along.

 

[SuperHeavy]

I wonder if they worked out how get energy shielding for vehicles or if that is one of those "10 years away" for the last 50 years type of upgrades.

 

[DarthAwesome]

I wonder if they worked out how get energy shielding for vehicles or if that is one of those "10 years away" for the last 50 years type of upgrades.

Shielding as a technology seems very static, as it requires big giant projectors to work. It may very well be decades away, or completely impossible.

 

[Navarro]

The aliens in FO3 do have personal shields though ...

 

[DarthAwesome]

The aliens in FO3 do have personal shields though ...

Hmm. I forgot about that. So it is possible, and if they can reverse-engineer Zetan tech they can get do it quickly... however that opens them up to a variety of technologies that could massively boost the E-USA technologically, making this more of a stomp.

 

[AspblastUSA]

Hmm. I forgot about that. So it is possible, and if they can reverse-engineer Zetan tech they can get do it quickly... however that opens them up to a variety of technologies that could massively boost the E-USA technologically, making this more of a stomp.

Big if though. The best modern example was mothership zeta and that went kaboom. IIRC there’s some mention of samples in Area 51 from before the war, but those don’t appear to have been noticed by the NCR.

 

[willdelve4beer]

Big if though. The best modern example was mothership zeta and that went kaboom. IIRC there’s some mention of samples in Area 51 from before the war, but those don’t appear to have been noticed by the NCR.

Missed that - did the mothership go kaboom in this story? As it does not do so in the dlc.

 

[Lee5566]

Big if though. The best modern example was mothership zeta and that went kaboom. IIRC there’s some mention of samples in Area 51 from before the war, but those don’t appear to have been noticed by the NCR.

That's assuming the Lone Wanderer in this story blew up the ship. But since Elliot survived and adopted the little girl, and has stated that the op is classified, we don't exactly know what happened to the ship the LW was on.

 

[AspblastUSA]

I had thought it did, but this story has also been ongoing for years and has migrated sites. It’s entirely possible that I’m misremembering a WoG that never existed, or that minds have changed since then.

 

[ForeverShogo]

It was destroyed.

In the canon version of Mothership Zeta, you and the other characters take over the ship and have to use it to fight off another ship. You succeed and the other characters basically take care of the ship for you.

In this fic's timeline they weren't able to decisively win that space battle and were forced to do a kamikaze run, teleporting down to the Capital Wasteland before the ships collided with each other. Both ships were destroyed and their wreckages ended up in the middle of the Pacific Ocean somewhere.

 

[dalek2150]

It was destroyed.

In the canon version of Mothership Zeta, you and the other characters take over the ship and have to use it to fight off another ship. You succeed and the other characters basically take care of the ship for you.

In this fic's timeline they weren't able to decisively win that space battle and were forced to do a kamikaze run, teleporting down to the Capital Wasteland before the ships collided with each other. Both ships were destroyed and their wreckages ended up in the middle of the Pacific Ocean somewhere.

This makes me wonder if, aside from Elliot, the kid, and the Lone Wanderer survived.

I kinda hope that Toshiro Kago survived, if only because I'd wanna see a pre-apocalyptic (pre-modern even) Samurai try to adjust to post-apocalyptic/post-post-apocalyptic American life.

 

[DarthOne]

This makes me wonder if, aside from Elliot, the kid, and the Lone Wanderer survived.

I kinda hope that Toshiro Kago survived, if only because I'd wanna see a pre-apocalyptic (pre-modern even) Samurai try to adjust to post-apocalyptic/post-post-apocalyptic American life.

The kid and the Lone Wanderer did survive as of the first story. The kid got adopted by Eliot if I remember right. Pretty sure in the first story it’s mentioned the Samurai went down with the ship.

 

[joenutts123]

They'd just slap on a cyber-arm.

Say , how come the EUSA aren't using synths ? In fact, why aren't they using other institute technology like teleportation and coursers. Imagine the sheer terror they could cause by teleporting a courser within a enemy base and having them run loose . I recall them having captured the Institute at the end of Autumns Moring but I never got to see them use thier technology properly(Other than the synth birds that is)

 

[Navarro]

What do you think they're doing to captured NCR agents they can't turn with other means? Aside from the synthbirds E-US military laser tech is based on Institute designs, they're using Institute biotech for rad-resistant crops, and the foundation of their stable FEV is Institute research not to mention other odds and ends.

 

[joenutts123]

What do you think they're doing to captured NCR agents they can't turn with other means? Aside from the synthbirds E-US military laser tech is based on Institute designs, they're using Institute biotech for rad-resistant crops, and the foundation of their stable FEV is Institute research not to mention other odds and ends.

While this may be true , I still feel they are heavily underusing the tech they got from the institute. Think of the potential damage they could cause with a courser and all the logistical issue they could solve with their teleportation device . Imagine being an NCR soldier and watching as a man in black robes teleported out of thin ice , murders your squad mates and commanders and proceeds to disappear again . The sheer terror you could sow in the enemy is endless

 

[joenutts123]

Also on a different note , have you retconned how the US dollar worked ? I know you made the story before 76 came out but I thought that maybe you would change the dollar from a fair currency to a gold backed . Thanks to the gold from vault 79 . This would could also help the EUSA in the earlier years convince wastelanders to change from caps to Dollar much quickly

 

[AspblastUSA]

While this may be true , I still feel they are heavily underusing the tech they got from the institute. Think of the potential damage they could cause with a courser and all the logistical issue they could solve with their teleportation device . Imagine being an NCR soldier and watching as a man in black robes teleported out of thin ice , murders your squad mates and commanders and proceeds to disappear again . The sheer terror you could sow in the enemy is endless

Firstly: I don't know why you're so hyperfocused on coursers. They're not that good, and the teleportation trick isn't unique to them. Yes, a man in a slick black trenchcoat teleporting behind you to assassinate your commanders would be scary. You know what would be scarier? A squad's worth of special forces in full power armor.

Secondly: You're making heavy assumptions about institute-style teleportation. We know little about the process save for two things, it needed a carrier wave in the form of a radio broadcast and you can either teleport from a main machine to anywhere or from anywhere to a main machine. We know nothing about it's potential range limitations, nor how much power infrastructure is required to get it working. If Navarro wanted to limit the use of teleportation it would be entirely plausible to suggest that the power requirements start out high and then scale geometrically with distance. It would make teleportation a dangerous thing to contend with when in established US territory, but prohibitive to set up in the field.

 

[joenutts123]

Firstly: I don't know why you're so hyperfocused on coursers. They're not that good, and the teleportation trick isn't unique to them. Yes, a man in a slick black trenchcoat teleporting behind you to assassinate your commanders would be scary. You know what would be scarier? A squad's worth of special forces in full power armor.

Secondly: You're making heavy assumptions about institute-style teleportation. We know little about the process save for two things, it needed a carrier wave in the form of a radio broadcast and you can either teleport from a main machine to anywhere or from anywhere to a main machine. We know nothing about it's potential range limitations, nor how much power infrastructure is required to get it working. If Navarro wanted to limit the use of teleportation it would be entirely plausible to suggest that the power requirements start out high and then scale geometrically with distance. It would make teleportation a dangerous thing to contend with when in established US territory, but prohibitive to set up in the field.

I assumed a Courser was on par with a veteran Ranger in terms of of skill set , seeing as how one managed to clear a building full of Gunners. What makes them especially valuable is the fact that they can created rather than trained(I assume this because we know the institute has the technology to implant memory into their synths . So it would also make sense for them to implant training into their coursers) Meaning you could have a legion of Coursers in less time than it would for one to became a veteran Ranger .

 

[ForeverShogo]

Yeah. It's another gameplay and story segregation thing.

When you have to grab a Courser as part of the story, you see how scary they're supposed to be from a story perspective when he just rips through a building full of Gunners. But the gameplay just flat out isn't going to match that because nothing is really scary to the protagonist with their bullshit protagonist powers.

Just like how in the story someone wearing a suit of power armor is essentially a walking tank that you shouldn't be able to stop unless you're packing the kind of firepower you'd actually need to take out a goddamn tank. But enemies with power armor are never as tough as they should be.

The Courser stomping those Gunners is meant to be a big deal because the Gunners are running around with military gear and a level of training comparable to a professional military unit.

Anyways . . . Sometimes Coursers will call in reinforcements in the form of Gen 1 Synths. But yes, in theory there's nothing stopping entire squads - Courser, throwaway robots (early Gen Synth or otherwise), or dudes in power armor.

It'd probably depend on where you're aiming to teleport them. Like, dropping a bunch of Coursers in conjunction with an assault on enemy lines for extra chaos. Or just a prolonged harassment campaign if you just kept using teleportation to chuck mass amounts of disposable basic bitch combat robots on suicide runs.

 

[Aaron Fox]

It should also be noted that with the power armor, those usually either a) lack the sophisticated facilities to maintain and furnish them properly or b) are out in the elements for 200 years (even bunkers would have this sort of problem, even if somewhat abated).

Also, even if I was part of the Enclave!USA, I wouldn't want a situation where my own troops go Skynet (which is what the Institute was pretty much setting up). Use the tech that went into our favorite detective in conjunction with Gen3 synth technology? Sure. Churn them out like A-01 cloned cyborgs from Earth 21X0 series? Absolutely, positively, no.