Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]

And here we see that Irving is rather honest, if mistaken. The Enclave, or at least most of its leadership, was a bunch of genocidal maniacs, but trying to view the E-USA through that lens when they are entirely new faction/nation, has just made him come to the wrong conclusions that would otherwise make sense, except arguably the Mars landing and Liberty Prime, as both of those were true and within possibility even for a totalitarian faction with this much technology, he just failed to discern that they were true. And he doesn't intend to rewrite history, as he sees the foolishness of not trying to remember it as it was, and the horrible consequences that can lead to, at least trying to do so on such a mass-scale of history (especially if European states are still around to remember it).

He's basically Cold War Sovietologists, but wrong in his basic assumptions. He's also not totally pure in his motives, and is subconsciously worried about the implications of what he "debunks".

Much better than his revisionist student he is talking to who is something along the lines of a crossing together a stereotype of a SJW and a stereotype of a right-winger patriot who refuses admit his country did nothing at all at any point of their history.

She is inspired by actual sentiments I've encountered over on the Fallout reddit and related, and also influenced by one of the key cultural differences between E-USA and the NCR.

In E-USA, you say "gladiator" and the guy you're talking to thinks "Ancient Rome".
In the NCR, you say "gladiator" and the guy you're talking to thinks "Caesar's Legion".

I can see that the Brotherhood is dealing with their own power struggles and the acknowledgement of a possibility of a civil war, and that it is their liberal faction of the Lyons's BoS which may be more at fault as they promote too many people into their ranks but not have enough land for them to personally administer, possibly making them eye other Brotherhood Chapters' lands with envy and greed. Besides all the outsider permitted technological disputes as well between the orthodox and liberal parts of the BoS.

The Brotherhood's problem is that they need a large PA force to stand up to the other forces' militaries. Now only the BoS members (who are a warrior/administrative elite class much like the knights of Medieval Europe) are allowed to have PA, so they need to vastly expand the size of the BoS in general. To the point that there are more BoS members than there are meaningful patches of land for all of them to adminster.

And now we have a more sympathetic vie of Kimball who wants to finish the war to put this all behind him so he can deal with his feudalistic neighbors, New Reno crime families and the Brahmin Barons who basically live like feudalistic lords within the Republic. We see just because he is currently tolerating them does not mean he likes them or does not plan to deal with every single one of them when he finally gets the time, resources and ability to do so.

Yeah, like I said - if FO2 is Star Wars, this is LoGH.

In Fo2, you go on a cool adventure (stopping at such fun places as Tattarroyo, New Mos Eisley, San Cloud City etc.) to stop the Galactic Enclave led by Emperor Richardson and blow up the Death Oil Rig and fight Darth Horrigan and who cares about the enemy mooks they're just faceless stormtroopers anyways, have fun!

In EATB, there's the USA and the NCR, and one has authoritarianism issues and the other has corruption issues and both have valid points and both have closets full of skeletons and they're fighting for continental dominance and they've been at war for so long that peace is unthinkable and there are sympathetic characters on both sides and political intrigues and epic battles.

(And don't think I'm denigrating FO2 by that! Both kinds of stories have their place).
 
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Never got into a relationship (there was never time), threw himself into charitable work for four decades, outlived the rest of the Enclave remnants, eventually died in 2328 and was given a public funeral with great honours.

Since the Courier is still out there and since I think he never got the whole story and is still into the misinformation regarding the Enclave

If he ever finds out the truth, well BSOD aside, I think he’ll be happy for Arcade

Finding out he devoted his life to alleviating medical problems and was commemorated for it, is nice
 
We also risk it facing total destruction. Putting all our eggs in one basket is not an option. And besides, if we attack sequentially the next city after the first will likely be prepared for us, and if not that then certainly . We need to hit fast and hard, destroy as much as we can over as wide a territory as possible, then retreat to the Argo-class airships to use as bases strike deeper in.”
I just noticed this, but certainly what? The highlighted section appears incomplete, it feels like it is missing a few words and the space before the period also makes it feel like there is something else supposed to be there.
 
Stealth plating is probably a good idea in a world with AA lasers and insufficient armor/energy shield technology to shrug them off. It will be interesting to see if they have an EW variant to cover their fellows during a combat insertion.
 
The "opposite day" thing they have going is kind of amusing.

The Enclave always lies so obviously Ronto was a paragon of virtue and not the nation of slavers the Enclave said they were.

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Also, something I forgot to mention when talking about Fallout Extreme . . . One of your team members was going to be a female Super Mutant named Big Betty. There's actually some concept art of her.

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So it seems if that game ever actually got developed they were apparently just gonna say "fuck it" and make Super Mutants nothing more than big, buff Humans. Probably with green skin.

I mean, I guess you could say that's what some of them look like as it is. But they tend to be more obviously ogre-ish and they're not supposed to have tits.
 
The "opposite day" thing they have going is kind of amusing.

The Enclave always lies so obviously Ronto was a paragon of virtue and not the nation of slavers the Enclave said they were.

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Also, something I forgot to mention when talking about Fallout Extreme . . . One of your team members was going to be a female Super Mutant named Big Betty. There's actually some concept art of her.

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So it seems if that game ever actually got developed they were apparently just gonna say "fuck it" and make Super Mutants nothing more than big, buff Humans. Probably with green skin.

I mean, I guess you could say that's what some of them look like as it is. But they tend to be more obviously ogre-ish and they're not supposed to have tits.


I'd have been open to the idea of different kinds of Super mutants exisiting based on seperate strains of FEV heck one of the ideas I had for therotical fallout 5 was a kind of Supermutant species who's intelligence and behavior was much closer to that of humans compared to their predecessors. Oddly enough I thought of Roadhog from Overwatch when coming up with this idea.
 
I'd have been open to the idea of different kinds of Super mutants exisiting based on seperate strains of FEV heck one of the ideas I had for therotical fallout 5 was a kind of Supermutant species who's intelligence and behavior was much closer to that of humans compared to their predecessors. Oddly enough I thought of Roadhog from Overwatch when coming up with this idea.

Maybe there's an FEV strain that would deal with the fertility issue and NOT make a lady look like a roided-up dude with severe hormone imbalance
 
I'd have been open to the idea of different kinds of Super mutants exisiting based on seperate strains of FEV heck one of the ideas I had for therotical fallout 5 was a kind of Supermutant species who's intelligence and behavior was much closer to that of humans compared to their predecessors. Oddly enough I thought of Roadhog from Overwatch when coming up with this idea.
Isn't it a thing that uniradated humans do retain intelligence?
 
Yeah. Wasteland Humans who get dipped in FEV and turned into Super Mutants tend to be really stupid.

Vault Dwellers not only retain their intelligence, but I think they get smarter too.

Well, at the very least California Super Mutants work that way. The FEV used for DC Super Mutants almost universally makes Super Mutants into violent berserkers who are dumber than rocks.

The only exceptions we've seen are Fawkes and Uncle Leo, and we don't know why they're the exceptions.

The FEV used for Commonwealth Super Mutants also makes them into violent berserkers, but they aren't as stupid and have at least a basic understanding of weapons, armor, and craftsmanship. They're actually almost like an in-between of Californian and DC Super Mutants. Physically and mentally.

Either way, so far, Super Mutants found in the East are like 99.999% to be murderously hostile towards Humans. And yet sometimes, as vanishingly rare as it is, you get that 0.001% that are willing to coexist.

The only exceptions to the violent berserker thing have been Strong (barely) and Erickson. We also don't know why Strong was willing to learn from Humanity or why Erickson became friendly. Though Erickson himself suspects it was either exposure to Far Harbor's fog or drinking lots of Vim soda.

Probably wasn't the fog, unless it was some 1 in 1000000 shot, because the other Super Mutants he was with got even angrier when exposed to the fog. Also kind of doubtful of the soda thing, but who the fuck knows with some of the crazier stuff in Fallout.

So different strains of FEV can result in similar yet still different varieties of Super Mutants. Which I suppose means, theoretically, you could end up with a group somewhere that basically just look like tall, buff Humans with traditionally Human sexual dimorphism that just so happen to have, like, green skin or something.

If such a group existed, I'm sure studying them would be one hell of a priority for anyone trying to research perfected FEV. Because their particular strain of FEV would be one hell of a starting point in the race to create Super Humans instead of Super Mutants.
 
Sometimes they used them for bombing runs.

In Fallout 3 they would usually use gatling lasers and missile launchers in the attack role, but you could sometimes see them just straight up drop a bunch of mini-nukes too. I know there's at least one random encounter where the Enclave fucks up a group of Talon Company mercenaries that way.



Also, the Vertibird used by the Enclave in Fallout 3 -was- a gunship variant.

  • A transport-oriented version with a glass canopy, six legs, a large cargo bay, and seven blades on each rotor to provide extra lift. This was the variant used before the destruction of control station ENCLAVE.
  • A dedicated gunship version with a more heavily armored hull, four-bladed rotors, and four retractable landing struts as well as greater maneuverability. This is the variant in use by the Enclave Remnants and the Enclave operating in the Capital Wasteland.
 

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