KnightTemplar
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Is the President using the war to push through controversial legislation? That's not really a good look for him.
Fallout The Eagle And The Bear [Fallout AU]
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Navarro
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More political drama as a result of the war is coming for both main actors. A lot more.
UltimatePaladin
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Like that the NCR are getting some blows in. They didn’t win, but it was hardly a crushing defeat.
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Well, that was an interesting battle.
Probably not as a big concern as much either considering most of the Commonwealths are reintegrated yet either.
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Huh. So the Senate is still divided even between states? Instead of just doing an equal number of senators for each commonwealth? Probably something the American Liberty Party is more concerned with.
Probably not as a big concern as much either considering most of the Commonwealths are reintegrated yet either.
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KnightTemplar
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I think I just noticed something while rereading the chapter.
If I recall correctly the NCR engineers that the general is depending on to build these crossings have been reassigned to building gulags for the local population.
I doubt this is enough to doom this campaign but it will hurt. Even more importantly it may make the infighting worse in the NCR when it comes out that the northern radicals agenda hurt the war effort.
It reminds me a bit of how the the Nazi's absurd ideological goals kept crippling their own war effort during World War II.
If I recall correctly the NCR engineers that the general is depending on to build these crossings have been reassigned to building gulags for the local population.
I doubt this is enough to doom this campaign but it will hurt. Even more importantly it may make the infighting worse in the NCR when it comes out that the northern radicals agenda hurt the war effort.
It reminds me a bit of how the the Nazi's absurd ideological goals kept crippling their own war effort during World War II.
Navarro
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States still exist, you know?
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Yeah, but Commonwealths also exist. I thought that Commonwealths essentially just replaced the States more or less, and that states became more like county level governments in comparison. So essentially instead of Federal -> State -> County, it would go Federal -> Commonwealth -> State -> County.
I figure there would be complaints from people about Commonwealth rights in the same way of State rights, essentially making sure smaller commonwealths are able not be snuffed over by bigger commonwealths. For instance the Southwest commonwealth in Fallout Lore originally just had Southern California and Nevada, meaning they would get four senators if they get them per state, meanwhile the New England Commonwealth would get 12 Senators under this system.
And though the population would be different after the apocalypse of course, I imagine under this system that Pre-War there would be complaints about Commonwealths who around the same population, thus having the same amount of Representatives, having a disproportionate amount of Senators just because one has more states in it than the others.
I am just confused how the Commonwealth governments fit into this system especially since they were made for cultural and economic purposes to try and essentially just create bigger more unified states.
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Navarro
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Yes, but we know that States still possessed a reasonable amount of power. FO76 gives us a "Senator for the Appalachia Territory", which doesn't help, because its plain nonsense by both FOverse and RL standards.
The SW commonwealth would have "had" six Senators, not four, because it also includes Hawaii. But you're also not recognising that States may have interests which don't strictly align with those of the Commonwealth they're part of. In that framing, the compromise I presented of having the House divided among the Commonwealths and the Senate among the States makes a great deal of sense.
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Ah, right, I sometimes forget Hawaii and Alaska are in Commonwealths while looking at the map, since they are not directly connected by land to the Commonwealths they are in.
But I suppose that a compromise like this would be the most likely to get it implemented into the Constitution lore-wise and anyone perceiving any problems about it right now will also probably consider it the future E-USA's problems, since making sure all "secessionists" have been reintegrated and the few states they decided should change Commonwealths are done transitioning are a bit of more pressing issues.
Will probably be some minor political movement about how many Senators there should be in the future that has a potential to become a major movement should the political wind shift in their favor for whatever reason, or just remain a minor movement like most other USA political parties are today besides the Republicans and Democrats (regardless of internal divisions).
ForeverShogo
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Well, even if they did have Senators for Commonwealths instead of States, it's not like they couldn't have arbitrarily changed the total number of Senators or the number of Senators per Commonwealth to ensure equal representation in the Senate.
That said, I think we've had enough hints that Senators are still determined by State. Even with Bethesda being geographically retarded. Appalachia is spread across 13 States, and would be spread out among 5 of Fallout's Commonwealths.
Blackwell is likely just one of West Virginia's Senators, and Appalachian Territory is likely just a nickname for the state that people are using for some dumbass reason instead of just saying West Virginia. (West Virginia is the only state located entirely within Appalachia.)
Keeping the Senate by State and making the House be by Commonwealth just makes way more sense with what we've been shown of Fallout America.
That said, I think we've had enough hints that Senators are still determined by State. Even with Bethesda being geographically retarded. Appalachia is spread across 13 States, and would be spread out among 5 of Fallout's Commonwealths.
Blackwell is likely just one of West Virginia's Senators, and Appalachian Territory is likely just a nickname for the state that people are using for some dumbass reason instead of just saying West Virginia. (West Virginia is the only state located entirely within Appalachia.)
Keeping the Senate by State and making the House be by Commonwealth just makes way more sense with what we've been shown of Fallout America.
Navarro
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You thought this was going to be a curbstomp?
UltimatePaladin
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No: you were trying to avoid that impression. Though, that was influenced by my memories of Autumn Morning, where Enclave/US victories felt much cheaper.
Navarro
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I mean, for most of that they were fighting small bands of raiders and super mutants.
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ForeverShogo
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Also, maybe I'm missing something, but even with the Vice President wanting NCR personnel to get away as part of a demoralization campaign, it feels like NCR casualties were kind of light after weeks of combat that included them trying to brute force the prepared defenses of an important US base.
Navarro
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I could increase the casualties perhaps, but not too much - bear in mind too that they weren't mindlessly charging into gatling laser fire all that time, but largely shelling enemy positions and launching probing attacks against weak spots. The NCR is smart too, yaknow?
SuperHeavy
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They were also fighting units with power armor aim assist firing plasma, gauss rifles, and souped up laser rifles dug into prepared defenses. Even with stimpacks your WIA counts are not going to be that high considering getting hit by most Enclave infantry weapons will at minimum maim someone not in power armor. Unless the NCR has pulled off an industrial miracle the majority of troops will not have such protection. I'm not saying it should be a total blood bath but assaulting a defensive position has always been a bloody affair for the attackers, something only enhanced by the Enclave's technical edge.
Info: VH-01/VB-03 Tiltrotor Gunship
Navarro
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VH-01/VB-03 Tiltrotor Gunship
The VH-01/VB-03 represents the next generation of the tiltrotor combat craft used by the US military for more than 200 years. The craft's origins go back to a request by the USAF in late 2324 to once more possess a CAS vehicle capable of loitering in place to bombard a target. The Army and USMC reluctantly agreed on the proviso that the craft be incapable of carrying troops, fearful of the Air Force taking back territory that had been hard-fought over in the 2290s. So, partially out of spite, the USAF contracted with Daedalus Aerospace to design an all-new combat aircraft capable of close-air-support and tactical bombing.
The result was the VH-01, which saw several design innovations, the most notable of which was incorporating two fusion engines (as opposed to the VB-02's one) within the rotor pylons themselves. This allowed for an increased speed and takeoff weight. The vehicle also saw an elongated, more angular design which in co-ordination with the radar-absorbent materials the airframe would be made of would give it an increased radar stealth capacity. The Army and USMC found themselves impressed by the design and in 2329 began negotiations with the USAF for the VH-01 to be used as a troop transport/gunship under the VB-03 designation, as a replacement for the VB-02.
The only difference between the two craft is that the space used for troops and other cargo in the VB-03 (whose bottom can open length-wise to enable direct aerial troop deployment) contains a rotary bomb bay in the VH-01, which can deploy either conventional laser-guided bombs or additional AGMs. Otherwise, their armament is identical - twenty-one missiles, two rocket pods, a rapid-fire heavy plasma gun with co-axial automatic grenade launcher, and two gatling lasers mounted in remote-controlled side turrets, which in the VB-03 can optionally be fired manually.
The VH-01/VB-03 represents the next generation of the tiltrotor combat craft used by the US military for more than 200 years. The craft's origins go back to a request by the USAF in late 2324 to once more possess a CAS vehicle capable of loitering in place to bombard a target. The Army and USMC reluctantly agreed on the proviso that the craft be incapable of carrying troops, fearful of the Air Force taking back territory that had been hard-fought over in the 2290s. So, partially out of spite, the USAF contracted with Daedalus Aerospace to design an all-new combat aircraft capable of close-air-support and tactical bombing.
The result was the VH-01, which saw several design innovations, the most notable of which was incorporating two fusion engines (as opposed to the VB-02's one) within the rotor pylons themselves. This allowed for an increased speed and takeoff weight. The vehicle also saw an elongated, more angular design which in co-ordination with the radar-absorbent materials the airframe would be made of would give it an increased radar stealth capacity. The Army and USMC found themselves impressed by the design and in 2329 began negotiations with the USAF for the VH-01 to be used as a troop transport/gunship under the VB-03 designation, as a replacement for the VB-02.
The only difference between the two craft is that the space used for troops and other cargo in the VB-03 (whose bottom can open length-wise to enable direct aerial troop deployment) contains a rotary bomb bay in the VH-01, which can deploy either conventional laser-guided bombs or additional AGMs. Otherwise, their armament is identical - twenty-one missiles, two rocket pods, a rapid-fire heavy plasma gun with co-axial automatic grenade launcher, and two gatling lasers mounted in remote-controlled side turrets, which in the VB-03 can optionally be fired manually.
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SuperHeavy
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Hmm, less Hind and more of an Apache-Blackhawk hybrid. Looks quite neat.